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14 replies

BadShirt · 29/08/2021 20:29

Hi,

Apologies if this is the wrong area for this chat. Also, apologies because I am a dad and not a mum.

I have a stepdaughter, age 23, who has been with me since she was 10. She works, pays £200 a month "rent" and has a boyfriend aged 24 who lives with his parents and doesn't pay rent.

During lockdown, it was becoming incredibly difficult, as space is at a premium in our house. Further, she has walked into our bedroom a couple of times without knocking and, despite politely reminding her about personal space (amazing this has to be done for a 23 year old) she still continues to do it.

She helps around the house, but makes a 20 minute job last all day. The problem is that, as I am working from home, and she is home from work 3-4 days out of every week I am getting extremely frustrated that a simple task like putting things into the recycling bin takes the best part of a day as she walks around watching TV shows on her phone. When she isn't in work, she wakes up around 1pm. She often decides to shower at midnight - disturbing our 11 year old son and upsetting his sleep patterns.

It came to a head, for me, because she was spending all her time in the kitchen just sat on a small stool on the floor talking with her bf or watching movies on her tiny phone. Whenever I walked into the kitchen I would get a stare of "what are you doing here again". It's got to the stage where the kitchen is her personal space and I feel reluctant, at times, to go in there. At other times, because she is constantly wearing earphones, she jumps and says "OMG" whenever I walk into the hallway or kitchen. It's so irritating, as is her habit to tell me "I will wash the dishes" at 7pm, only for me to walk into the kitchen at 10pm with the dishes still piled up, and then hear the water systems kicking in at 11:30 as she decides to start doing the washing up.

I have a good relationship with her, but it is in jeopardy at the moment because I just find her constant presence irritating. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect her and her long-term bf to move in together, and that she has outgrown the place.

I told her mum (my wife) about it, and I suggested that maybe it would make sense since she and her bf are now approaching their mid 20s if they moved in together. My wife agreed, and we decided to approach the subject delicately.

Her bf is a bit of a mummy's boy. He isn't paying anything to his parents, has a decent paid job, and I've always found him to be polite, but insincerely sincere. He rarely visited our house, even before the pandemic, which annoyed and pleased me in equal measure. I can't really get on with him that well, despite my efforts, because I think he is a bit of a wet blanket.

Having spoken to my SD about it, she said they want to move in together but he doesn't want a terraced house, by the main road. I said to her that we often have to start with something that is not ideal, before we move onto places that are better or more like we want. She agreed, and she mentioned she was getting frustrated by him because of his mixed signals. So, I told her she needs to talk to him about his plans - after all, they have been dating for 4 years, are in their mid-20s, both are working, and - in fairness - during lockdown they didn't contact each other physically.

She then told me that he wants to move into a house with her, but that they should BOTH get new jobs first. This was 3 months ago and neither has even looked for a new job.

My own view is that he is happy with his lot, and she is happy with hers and that there are no plans for them to commit further. However, like I say, her presence is intrusive at times and it is getting to a stage where I can't feel relaxed in my own home. I also feel that I am, to some extent, subsidising this lifestyle.

I am considering increasing her rent to £300. Primarily because, when she leaves for work the kitchen is in an almighty mess and, with my own OCD issues, I find I have to tidy up before I can start work. Another reason, although I doubt she will make this conclusion, is that I think raising the rent should prompt her to think "hmmm, for a few quid more I'd have my own house and own space" - there are decent houses for rental here for £475. However, me raising her rent means that her costs increase but her bf's don't. He has been quick to blame me, from a distance, for them not seeing each other during lockdown (although, when restrictions eased, he refused to travel in the same car as her wearing masks and with windows open), but has never spoken to me about it but is happy to blame me.

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Boredhimtodeath · 29/08/2021 20:35

Have you spoken to her about all of the issues? What does your wife think? As an adult in the house I would expect her to do an equal share of the chores in the house. I would personally go in the kitchen more often when she’s on the phone, maybe on the phone myself or make a lot of noise so that she realises the benefits of using her room.

Make a joke about her walking in your room without knocking, tell her she might end up traumatised seeing you and her mum doing more than she bargained for.

negomi90 · 29/08/2021 20:37

What does her mum think? Does her mum like having her at home? Does she want to raise the rent? What will you do with money?
Surely you can't just unilaterally decide to raise the rent, it has to come from her mum with her mum's agreement.

Honeymare · 29/08/2021 20:49

Well I don't think it's your place to tell them to progress their relationship to cohabiting. He and his finances / attitudes are his own business really. You don't seem very impressed with him so why are you so keen for her to commit further to him.

However your own home environment is absolutely your business. I would focus strongly here. If your wife agrees with you (strange she hasn't been mentioned) then increase the rent and increase the expectations of her pulling her weight. She should clean the kitchen after she uses it for the next person, not seven hours later. Sitting in the kitchen on her phone with earphones is ignorant and immature, she's an adult now she should know if she doesn't want to communicate she should go to her private room.

In short it will either become too unattractive an option to stay at home or she will become more pleasant to live with.

Honeymare · 29/08/2021 20:55

I feel a bit sorry for her thought. She is 23 and her life sounds boring; sitting in a kitchen talking to her wet blanket boyfriend who is most likely giving her flimsy excuses (the terraced house road thing is just weird) about not progressing with her. He's going to be a nightmare for her to live with by the way if he's as you describe a mummy's boy.

I know it's not what you asked but can't you encourage her to seize life a bit more? Did she go to college, is she passionate about a career, has she travelled etc.

Just10moreminutesplease · 29/08/2021 20:56

Would you be so quick to suggest your biological child move out rather than staying at home and potentially saving for a house deposit?

Living at home at 23 is very common. Maybe have a conversation about house rules instead?

Kithic · 29/08/2021 21:00

@Honeymare

I feel a bit sorry for her thought. She is 23 and her life sounds boring; sitting in a kitchen talking to her wet blanket boyfriend who is most likely giving her flimsy excuses (the terraced house road thing is just weird) about not progressing with her. He's going to be a nightmare for her to live with by the way if he's as you describe a mummy's boy.

I know it's not what you asked but can't you encourage her to seize life a bit more? Did she go to college, is she passionate about a career, has she travelled etc.

Shes 23. She's not a child, its not ops fault if she's boring/bored.

although, when restrictions eased, he refused to travel in the same car as her wearing masks and with windows open how would he have 'seen her then? Outside?

Charge her an extra £100 and pay for a cleaner
Make it clear that there are anti social hours for noisy things and get your dp on board

Honeymare · 29/08/2021 21:06

@kithic I know it's not OP's fault if she's bored. It was just a reflection that she seems to be going down a very dull road. He is presumably a father figure to her and says they have a good relationship but all his motives seem to be to get her out of the house.

I know it's not what he asked. For some reason the post kind of resonated with me, I had a flashback to being that age and temporarily being almost paralysed with indecision on how to get adult life going. So I'm probably projecting!

Biscusting · 29/08/2021 21:18

Could she not find a place of her own? I wouldn’t be encouraging moving in the the drip of a partner. But what does her mum think?

Voice0fReason · 29/08/2021 22:04

You want her to move in with her boyfriend because it suits you.

I want my children to move in with their partners when they feel they want to move the relationship to that level.

You don't have her interests at heart in any of this.

What does her mum say about the household chores?

BadShirt · 29/08/2021 22:32

@BoredHimToDeath Yes, we have spoken to her about the issues, and she improves before old habits set in. My wife gets more annoyed by it than I do, but their discussions usually turn into arguments.

In terms of her moving in with the bf - we haven't suggested that at all,. However, we have asked her where she thinks the relationship is heading and, if anything, following that conversation I concluded that her bf is not going to go beyond the level of commitment he is already showing; I have told her this. I don't think he is good enough for her, I think that is clear, but I don't think she will ever realise what a waste of time he is as they are permanently in the "teenage kicks" stage.

@negomi90 - I am personally responsible for all bills in the house. That is because they moved in with me. The mortgage is in my name because my wife is from overseas and is not able to buy property. As a result, the buck stops with me on everything so, technically, I can "unilaterally" raise the rent. What will I spend the extra money on? Possibly on the electricity bill as my SD has a habit of, even in the summer months, washing her clothes (washing powder supplied by me) at 5pm and putting the tumble dryer on at 7pm. When she washes towels, because she selects the wrong washing program, they come out practically drenched and she chucks them in the dryer. This usually takes 7 hours to dry and actually broke the last dryer we had.

@Just10moreminutesplease - "Would you be so quick to suggest your biological child move out rather than staying at home and potentially saving for a house deposit?"
Yes, if my biological son was behaving in the same way I absolutely would. My wife initially suggested that the SD pay £250 a month, but I told my SD I would only charge £200 but it was important for her to save (not for a house deposit per se, but for anything). This was 3 years ago, and she earns circa £23,000 pa. Her savings are at £0 as of last week (she confessed during another conversation about the incessant Amazon deliveries I am taking in whilst also trying to work from home).

I admit, if I was working in an office again I would probably be less interested in some of this - but since wfh I have seen that her life is directionless and that is frustrating (and I also feel sorry for her) because I have given her advice on saving and using that money to do things she enjoys.

@Honeymare - that is really interesting. I am, perhaps, a little less sympathetic because I was never in a position where I didn't know what to do next in my life. So, from my position of privilege I cannot see things from her point of view - I admit that, and that is where the dreaded generational gap comes in. I am not trying to get her out of the house for my own benefit (although I would benefit), but for hers too. Her life is currently rudderless, she has no direction and there is no evidence that she is thinking beyond her next day off. If we all think back to when we were 23, it probably only seems like yesterday. I am concerned that she will wake up one day, aged 40 having done nothing, having seen nothing. I think that the freedom of moving out would benefit her. She didn't go to college/Uni, but I am sure if she had she would have never moved back home because (prior to meeting this dipstick) she was out with friends and thinking of various careers. Maybe the real issue is this man-child.

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BadShirt · 29/08/2021 22:38

@Voice0fReason

You want her to move in with her boyfriend because it suits you.

I want my children to move in with their partners when they feel they want to move the relationship to that level.

You don't have her interests at heart in any of this.

What does her mum say about the household chores?

The self-proclaimed voice of reason. Yes, it suits me because, currently, her behaviour is impacting on
  1. My son's sleep
  2. My job
  3. My relationship with her

She is 23, not 15 - but her mum is in full agreement with me about the chores that take 7 hours to complete. Her mum also suggested a higher "rent" by the way - but I stuck with a lower one so she could save money for her future (buy a car, learn to drive etc) - she hasn't saved a bean.

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SpaceshiptoMars · 29/08/2021 23:16

Definitely time to sour the milk! Make some new, irritating house rules and enforce themGrin. Maybe there's a way of rigging up a timer on the shower. Raise the rent in increments every six months until she moves out. She needs to learn to manage her own home - the experience will be transformative. She doesn't need the bf for this, she can find a tiny flatlet for herself. Much better for her to have a time of living by herself before she lives with a bf - it will do wonders for her self esteem.

If you get pangs of conscience taking more money than she costs you - you have the option of saving it for her, and paying her flat deposit when she moves out. But really, £2,400 per year with a salary of £23,000 and no savings during lockdown? If she's just frittering that away on Amazon, she must have a bedroom like a Tardis!

BadShirt · 30/08/2021 10:43

@SpaceshiptoMars

Definitely time to sour the milk! Make some new, irritating house rules and enforce themGrin. Maybe there's a way of rigging up a timer on the shower. Raise the rent in increments every six months until she moves out. She needs to learn to manage her own home - the experience will be transformative. She doesn't need the bf for this, she can find a tiny flatlet for herself. Much better for her to have a time of living by herself before she lives with a bf - it will do wonders for her self esteem.

If you get pangs of conscience taking more money than she costs you - you have the option of saving it for her, and paying her flat deposit when she moves out. But really, £2,400 per year with a salary of £23,000 and no savings during lockdown? If she's just frittering that away on Amazon, she must have a bedroom like a Tardis!

That is something I was thinking about - using the extra money to save on her behalf. But, frankly, if she is incapable of saving money on a decent wage (for a young, single girl with no commitments), then she will never be capable of saving money. She has opted out of her company pension too.
If she did move out, I would fully expect her bf to spend a lot more time with her than he does currently. He has avoided coming to our house constantly with excuses ranging from "I am tired after work" to "I can't get my car down your street". Oddly, pre-covid when we all had more freedom, he always managed to get his car down the street when we were out.
When I lived at home my parents charged me a rent of £40 a week (1997) on a wage of £150 a week. This prodded me to do two things.
  1. Get a better paid job
  2. Move out

If I could live somewhere where food was cooked for me daily, where I could run tumble dryers in the middle of summer, and where I could happily wake up at 12pm on non-working days, have Netflix and a great wi-fi connection, get a free takeaway every Saturday, and a free lift into work (involves me waking up at 7am on my non-working days) all for £200 pm then I think I would be molly-coddled into apathy too.

The VoiceofReason thinks that I don't have her interests in heart. Well, I wonder what sort of "adult" she will be when she hits 40 and her life is still the same? I wonder what the VoiceofReasons reasoning would be if I was on here talking about a 30 year old SD, or 35 year old or 40 year old? Either way, 23 or 40, we are talking about an adult here - maybe some people are happy to facilitate a lazy attitude to life by turning their kids into grown-up kids.

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SpaceshiptoMars · 30/08/2021 11:14

@BadShirt

I did fall about laughing at your post, because I had such a similar situation - tumble dryer warsGrin. The washing machine died, the tumble dryer died, I was forever poking around at the back of the new dryer with a long skewer to remove fluff blocks... Mega thick bath towels and blanket like hoodies 3 sizes too big - too much, too much!

You could try restricting the laundry use to one day only - that is sufficient of an irritant to motivate the most cemented in young lady to want her own place! The more pointless and trivial the new rules the better - the point is to encourage outright rebellion and a walk out without any actual suffering!

She won't value money until she's seeing it disappear into someone else's pocket. Paying market rent elsewhere will sharpen up her saving habits rapidly. Not to mention gradually dawning appreciation of the benefit she squandered before....

One of my DSCs did stay until 30 though, because of mental health issues - my choice. We'd both have worried too much about sending them on their way earlier. I would recommend a life coach for her if she is truly stuck. However, that is a well paid job for someone who didn't go to uni - so kudos to her.

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