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20 years of absurdity

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EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 12:36

Hello Step-mums

Firstly I just wanted to say thank you. I've been reading these pages for a while and some of your wisdom has been so important in helping me to make sense of the weird, stressful dynamics that have been going on in my family for more than 20 years now.

I hope it's ok to post here - I'm a daughter / step-daughter rather than a step-mum, but I'm increasingly worried/upset about my mum's situation in her relationship with my step-dad.

I am an only child; my step-dad has a son who is the same age as me (same school year). My mum and step dad have been together since my step brother and I were both 10. Before she met my step-dad, my mum and I lived with her parents. She was a single mum and there was no contact with my dad because he was abusive and violent. When they got together, my step-dad bought a house, which he moved into with my mum and I. His ex-wife and son stayed living in their former family home, which my step-dad continued to pay for. My step brother stayed over part of every weekend and maybe one weekday night. He also came over some evenings without staying over.

When he met my mum, my step dad was in the process of divorcing his ex wife. There was a stated expectation that the divorce would be completed, that they would separate their assets and that my step dad would pay maintenance for my step brother and alimony for his ex wife, as he was the substantially higher earner. It was also stated (explicitly) that if my step-dad were to die before my mum (quite likely as there is an age gap of more than 15 years) my mum would inherit the house they lived in together.

Twenty years on (I cannot emphasize this enough - literally more than 20 years!) none of this has happened. My step-dad is still legally married to his 'ex' wife (she apparently made unreasonable demands about the divorce settlement and he found it too difficult to find a way to resolve this) and they still have shared bank accounts. My step dad has always transferred a substantial proportion of his income to his ex wife and continues to frequently pay ad hoc expenses that she incurs (eg work in her house that she wanted doing, unexpectedly large electricity bill that she couldn't afford).

My step dad has recently announced that he never intended for mum to own the house they live in and that his son will inherit it with a stipulation that mum can live there for as long as she wants. He is also using all of his savings to buy a house (outright, not just the deposit) for his son.

This is the continuation (and hopefully conclusion) of a long narrative of similar nonsense. My step dad feels a huge amount of guilt about 'abandoning' his son. That means that if he tries to set a boundary with his ex wife she says that he will cause / has already caused huge emotional damage to his son and (I surmise) he feels so anxious and guilty that he gives in every time.

My step brother has had emotional regulation difficulties for most of his life. When we first met, he was liable to have screaming sobbing meltdowns if he was unhappy. And very small things, like losing a computer game, could make him unhappy. This kind of behaviour continued until he was about 15. When we did things as a family of 4 we could only do things that he wanted to do. He would often insist we all played specific games or watched specific TV shows and would get upset if we didn't. He was rude and nasty to my mum but was never reprimanded, even for using derogative names to speak about her; behaviour which continued into adulthood. Some of this is normal teen behaviour and normal response to experiencing a (poorly managed) parental separation. But instead of helping him understand and manage his emotions, his dad pandered to all his demands, whilst his mum similarly gave in to him but also wound him up further by telling him his dad didn't care about him any more and that their lives were ruined because his dad was so cruel.

As an adult, my step brother has continued to struggle with his mental health. He dropped out of school after his GCSEs (passed all of them) and spent 2 years basically playing video games. He then did a BTEC and attended a local uni to do a degree. He then worked short ad hoc contracts but kept quitting because of huge fall outs with colleagues / bosses and was mostly unemployed for the rest of his 20s, continuing to live at home and doing a bit of voluntary work. He now has a personality disorder diagnosis, has spent a lot of time doing therapy and has finally been able to start working, at first part time, now approximately full time. Throughout his 20s and early 30s he has lived with his mum, has never paid any rent and has frequently needed his dad's help to bail him out financially with unwise purchases (mostly dodgy cars on finance).

I am glad that in future my step brother will be financially secure, even though he may not always be able to work. I am also glad that his mum has her own house and financial security. I am not for one moment suggesting that my step dad should not have provided for both of them when his relationship ended, or not continued to be a full parent and father figure to his son. However, I find it extremely hurtful that my step dad has not thought to provide my mum with the same financial security. She and my step dad's ex have both worked in similar low-paid roles throughout their careers. The ex is now retired; my mum is still working part time and has a small amount of savings. However, nowhere near enough for a deposit even for a flat. I do not believe that the 'security' of being able to live in a house belonging to my step brother would provide actual security for her, as I think my step brother or his mum would start hassling her to move out so they could sell the house. I suspect my step dad initially intended for her to inherit the house they live in, but met with huge resistance from his ex and/or son, so quietly dropped the idea without mentioning this to my mum.

Our lifestyle in my teen years was extremely frugal. Almost all of our things came from charity shops, car boot sales or freecycle. My step brother had lots of new games consoles, but we didn't even have a proper computer with an internet connection, so I had to bike round to my gran's house if I wanted to research things for school. My mum only has a smartphone now because I bought one for her. I was bullied at school because my clothes were unfashionable and second hand. I always assumed that this lifestyle was either because there was very little spare money as my step-dad was the main earner and was splitting his income across 2 households, or that it was a choice that he and my mum made and were both happy with. It now seems that my mum didn't feel able to ask for more in case my step dad thought she was "greedy". To discover that, during this time, he has actually accumulated at least £200k of savings, all of which will be spent on a house for my step brother, has really shocked me.

I'm very fortunate that I have been able to study at a good university and work full time in well paid jobs with career security. However, my husband and I pay a substantial proportion of our income every month on rent and have slowly accumulated the money needed to put down as a deposit for a mortgage. I am still paying back my student loan as a fraction of my salary every month and worked every summer when I was an undergraduate to top up my maintenance loan. (To add insult to injury, my step brother did not have to pay any student fees at all because his dad was not a "resident parent" so his income was not counted.) The disparity with my step brother, even before learning about the house, is huge.

This all sounds a bit detached and focused on financial issues. But I'm just so depressed by the whole mess. I wasn't thrilled to move away from my grandparents when I was 10, but I largely tried to make the best of it. As an adult, I have always treated my step dad as part of my family - more like an in-law than a father figure but respectfully, politely and kindly. I asked him to do a reading at my wedding ffs. To now discover that he has cared so little for my mum and I that he cannot even see that either one of us might find his behaviour towards her hurtful or disrespectful is just so upsetting. Every time I think about it, I end up crying.

I'm also angry about how much my step brother has been failed by both his parents. Neither of them has ever been able to step back from their own anger and blaming to see the actual needs of their son. He's just been placated (dad) or manipulated and used as a pawn (mum) to stop my step dad detaching emotionally and financially from her. As a result, my step brother is still stuck in the same resentments and emotional turmoil as when his parents first separated. He lacks the interpersonal skills to live independently (really doubt he knows how to run the washing machine or use a vacuum cleaner) and has missed out on a lot of adult life because of his mental health difficulties.

Finally, it's been emotionally damaging to me to see my mum stay in a relationship like that. I have an ingrained fear that it might be self indulgent to buy new things or replace items of clothing before they literally have holes in. I unfortunately spent several years in my 20s in a relationship with an abusive older man, who used, among other things, the income disparity between himself and me (a student and then grad student) to manipulate and control me. Thankfully, I got out of that relationship and also got some therapy, but I think one of the reasons I stayed so long was that I was so used to seeing a similar dynamic between my mum and step dad that it felt normal.

I'm not really looking for advice, just venting I think. But also, I have seen posters here asking if difficult dynamics will get better once their step children are adults. And no, I don't necessarily think that will happen. If the step child's parents are both on board with helping their children become independent adults, then yes, difficult behaviours will probably stop. But if the parents are trapped in an emotionally enmeshed mess of guilt tripping, manipulation and pandering, then no. Nothing will change except your own, and your children's willingness to accommodate the absurdity.

OP posts:
sassbott · 10/08/2021 18:22

What a cautionary tale indeed. OP thank you for sharing.

Firstly, IMO you’re well within your rights to feel like a grumpy teenager. Quite a lot of information has been landed on you and it’s a lot to digest. I imagine there’s a lot of emotions coursing through you.

I don’t think I have that much to add, aside from I agree with a lot of what previous posters have already said. The person who has had their head in the sand and fully facilitated this situation is your mother. At any stage she could have made very different choices, she chose not too.

In terms of your ‘stepdad’, I’m afraid that I agree with the previous poster who has stated that his emotional loyalty is greater to his exwife than your mother. He may not be able to stand her (there’s a reason hate is close to love), but he prioritised her over and above his partner - your mum.
No one stays married to someone and continues to bail them out the way he has done unless there is still an attachment. Not divorcing for 20 years because it is ‘too difficult’ is pure BS. Many of us on here have been through divorce and I doubt it was a walk in the park for anyone.

My advice is to get your mum legal advice ASAP.
Telling her to cut and run when she hardly has any income/ savings herself is not smart. If he has said that she has a lifetime tenancy, then he is continuing to house her and look after her. She needs legal advice to understand whether it’s watertight as the huge complication here is his lack of divorce.

Also (I’m sorry to say this), but in your stepfathers scenario, I would do the exact same as he has done. I am the higher earner and my money is to supporting my children/ my retirement.
I have zero interest in financially providing for my partners children, thats what their parents are for. My responsibility is to my children and myself. No partner of mine would inherit my house (or my portion if we lived together/ contributed jointly), it would go to my kids.

Now where he is in the wrong is to renege on what he agreed. And not verbalise the change.
But sorry, your mum has acted incredibly naively in this. I’m also a little surprised that she (or you) thought that her inheriting his house was right (or fair). Unless significant amounts of her income are in there (which sounds as though there aren’t), how did any of you think this would happen?

sassbott · 10/08/2021 18:25

Sorry, not his exwife. His wife. Bonkers situation. Why women put themselves in these financially vulnerable situations time and again is beyond me. I often get told I am anti SAHM’s/ non working women/ women who work part time. But this is exactly why I always urge females (and males) in my network to keep working and ensure they build their financial cushion independent of a partner.

candlelightsatdawn · 10/08/2021 18:44

@EnAttendantGodot op I'm sorry for your situation. I know you have come on here for support but you may find it lacking somewhat. The reason for this is although it's a stepparent if page and vast amount of people who aren't the step parents but the ex wife/gf live on her to literally take out their anger on which ever poor soul comments. You will find the usual blaming the stepmom (your mom) part of the course here and the ex wife can do no wrong (it's funny if it wasn't so blatant . There maybe some sensible comments but usually drowned out with "she knew what she was getting into balalal" and step parenting shaming. The Usual.

I only hope the comments to you are gentler because you are step child and therefore should be at the heart of why this board exists (however you are part of the secondary family so there is a standard assumption that mistreated of the secondary family is part of a accepted way of being). Not all think this thankfully, this might help explain some of the comments your getting.

I was a SD, I am a mum (and a ex) and a stepmom so kinda like a all in one. What you describe sounds hellish and I for one am sorry your have had to deal with this.

Sometimes you have to break generational bonds of trauma yourself rather than trying to break them for others. It's hard when that trauma happens to be your mum, and witnessing her suffer a unfairly is hurtful.

I'm guessing you did a lot of caretaking as a child, minimising your wings to accommodate others. This is a trauma response you need to break because it will show up else where. It already has by sounds of it 💐

You know this deep down but your SD is a ass 🎩. Cowardly, unable to communicate and had by proxy made your life less. You know this is unfair you wouldn't be coming to the internet if you thought it was. However this is probably the second worse place to come only countered by AIBU which is classed by some the "first wives club"

I would start helping your mum become less reliant on your SD. He won't change to many years have passed and your right she will be totally asked to move out since the ex will be classed as his next of kin and your SB is a dependent which legally will need to be provided for. She won't want the drama and cave and I get that. Sometimes fighting it is so hard and mentally draining

If you can help get your mum on the ladder (Barclays do a £20k in holding deposit) for a mortgage which is released after 5 years of your mum can make payments.

Get her to join social groups of other women (this is important - a network outside of him) there are apps for this of women married or not cab meet other women of a certain age and meet up and have tea ext.

Get her to therapy, you may not be able to undo all damage but you can get her in a healthier mental state of mind.

The aim is as independent as you can get her financially or otherwise feom this man.

While your at it get counselling for yourself and keep going. Being everyone's care taker is so very very hard and you have been made this way by forces outside your own control. You must must start being as kind to yourself as you are to others. I can see you roll your eyes at this, but if I'm right, self care for yourself will seem unnatural, care taking for others will seem natural and it is to a degree. But you are entitled to boundaries and wishes of your own and don't apologise for them.

This is financial abuse on behalf as your SD. Treat it as such. And be kind to yourself, I know you want to fix it but sometimes you just can't and that's ok and no failing on you.

EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 18:54

sassbott
Bonkers situation. Why women put themselves in these financially vulnerable situations time and again is beyond me. I often get told I am anti SAHM’s/ non working women/ women who work part time. But this is exactly why I always urge females (and males) in my network to keep working and ensure they build their financial cushion independent of a partner.

Quite.

your mum has acted incredibly naively in this. I’m also a little surprised that she (or you) thought that her inheriting his house was right (or fair). Unless significant amounts of her income are in there (which sounds as though there aren’t), how did any of you think this would happen?

Tbh, I never really thought about it. I understood that that was their agreement and didn't look too closely because the whole thing was so messy.

I think as a teenager I saw that his wife and son had their house (which is much fancier than where he and my mum live now) and the bulk of his income went to them. So I thought it was ok that there would be something smaller for my mum.

Also, the original agreement was that there would be a divorce and he would marry my mum. That would mean that she would inherit assets that weren't transferred to the ex wife as part of the divorce or specifically given to his son. So the expectation was that she would at least inherit something. At the moment, I have no confidence that he has made any will at all, let alone ensured that any suggested lifetime tenancy is legally watertight. Hmm

I never really looked at the whole situation with adult eyes, because I've been busy dealing with my own life / work / relationship stuff. I certainly have an aversion to not paying my own way!

OP posts:
EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 19:58

candlelightsatdawn

Thank you for your kind and generous post Flowers

A lot of this is starting to happen. I have been seeing a therapist for over a year now and it was really that which caused me to start reflecting on some of the things I took for granted as "normal" in my childhood and then in the relationship with my ex. So although I hadn't looked too closely at my mum's relationship, I already had it mentally pegged as "There be dragons," before the whole thing started going even more sideways. I am also working on being kind to myself, identifying my own needs and looking after my emotional and physical health.

My mum is also now seeing a therapist - an NHS one no less. She only just started, but is finding it very helpful so far. She also has a small group of supportive female friends who she has met through her work. She is also starting to be more independent of my step-dad. He became quite uh anxious and overprotective of her during the lockdown and whilst she has been ill, so she had basically stopped going anywhere without him. She is now driving again, seeing her friends on her own and planning a trip to visit me. So things are looking up.

I think a lot of other posters are incredulous that someone could be so hopelessly naive as to get into such a messy situation and stay in it for 20 years. But I think this is the long reach of historic abuse.

Her relationship with my step-dad may not be abusive per se, although it has an extremely unequal dynamic. However, her relationship with my dad definitely was (luckily I don't remember this, but my grandmother confirmed various details). She has very low self esteem and was always extremely anxious to please my step-dad. She finds it very difficult to be assertive and finds it impossible to verbalise boundaries, let alone stick to them. I think at least some of that is because she was used to needing to be obedient and meek around my dad. I remember saying about my own bad relationship (which was not physically violent, just controlling) that my ex "trained me like a dog to instantly respond to his needs," and I think her behaviour is similar. I honestly don't know of that's what my step-dad expected/wanted from her, or of it's just a response she replicated, but the outcome is the same.

OP posts:
sassbott · 10/08/2021 20:02

@candlelightsatdawn which comments in particular are you in sympathy for the OP over?

No one here has commented on the wife. And why she did what she did. That is all perfectly clear. She did it to keep her claws in, but it’s also completely irrelevant. As the person who allowed it is this Op’s stepdad. And the person who allowed it further is the OP’s mum by staying with someone who refused to appropriately boundary his wife!

It goes without saying that this is a horrible situation. He’s acted appallingly. But now the priority has to be to get the mum legal advice so that she knows where she stands and understands her choices.

sassbott · 10/08/2021 20:18

@EnAttendantGodot it’s not your job to look at this with an adults eyes, you were are a child in this situation. It wasn’t your place to know this/ forsee this.

I’m sorry to hear that your mum is in this situation because she won’t stand up/ speak up for herself. And I am also sorry that this man has so woefully gone back on what he ‘promised.’

None of this is your responsibility to sort.

candlelightsatdawn · 10/08/2021 20:40

@sassbott I could but you know the effort i would have to expend to explain my comments would would be wasted so I'm not going to waste the energy. I said what I said.

@EnAttendantGodot sounds like your on the right track. I'm glad your getting help and so is your mother. Keep going !!

People who don't understand the cycle of abuse are often incredulous, maybe due to lack of understanding maybe due to will for ignorance, maybe because it's easier to blame the victim or maybe just because they truly think they would never be susceptible to it (which maybe true - as we are all built differently). The cycle repeats even if the new partner may not be abusive in the same way but the pattern is set and is v hard to break. Having worked in this sector I know just how hard it can be. To watch and for it to happen to.

Be kind to yourself OP. The things you want to achieve are hard but not unachievable. 💐💐

Starseeking · 10/08/2021 22:31

OP your DM needs urgent legal advice on where she stands with regards to the house.

It seems to me that your Step-Dad's wife and his DS will inherit upon his death and not your mum. Given everything else he had changed, it may be that the lifetime tenancy he has offered to your DM could end up meaning nothing.

Your DM needs to work out her future, and what her life could look like without this man who is in a legal family with someone else.

Tiredoftattler · 11/08/2021 00:04

Few things will change for women (or men who think in the same way) as long as they think that it is someone else's responsibility to provide and ensure that they are provided for in some way.

Nothing prohibited the OP's mother from walking away in years 1 through 5 when no divorce occurred. The man did not divorce his wife to keep her from getting his pension, so to punish her he stayed married to her thus ensuring that as his legal spouse she will receive his pension?

The OPs mother could have refused to move in with him prior to his getting a divorce, but she chose not to do so. This story is filled with poor decision making on the part of all of the actors and no one is blameless.

The OP's mother could have decided to get more education and or training to provide a better quality of life for herself and her daughter. Instead she chose to live first with her parents and then with her married partner. Never did she take full and sole responsibility for herself and her child.

The man is happily cutting off his nose to spite his face and has been playing gotcha with 2 different women for the past 20 years to the emotional detriment of his own son. He may give his son a house or 2, but he cannot and did not give him a healthy childhood.

There are no winners in this story with the possible exception of the OP. She has a chance and a choice to become an independent and self supporting adult who need not be dependent upon anyone for her keep.

Far too many women, stay where the are neither wanted nor want to be because they have failed to prepare themselves to be self supporting and self reliant.

Doublestar · 11/08/2021 00:25

I feel really sorry for your DM (and you as a child) in this but ultimately I believe she should've been more assertive in insisting on the divorce from his ex and then marriage to her. He sounds like a selfish arse who hasn't thought about your DM in any of this. Your sb sounds like an entitled arse too. But ultimately your DM has put up with it. I hope she find the strength to leave him - he doesn't deserve her. You sound great OP. Show your dm this thread, maybe it'll open her eyes?

Agree this is a cautionary tale for unmarried women out there who will be up shit creek financially should they split from their partners. My dh didn't really want to marry and kept on coming up with lame excuses "we're fine as we are" etc (we have dcs and I'm a SAHM) so I eventually gave him an ultimatum - I booked the registrar and said "we're getting married in 6 months or I'm leaving with the kids". It worked a treat - we've been happily married for several years now and he realises he was being ridiculous. Sometimes it takes one half of a relationship to make a decision and stick to it if it isn't working for them - it helps give clarity to a situation when you are just drifting aimlessly along. If he'd have called my bluff and let me go I'd have had to live with that - but I'd have been staying authentic and known exactly where I stood.

Your stepdad wants to have his cake and eat it - he wants the love and comfort he gets for being in a relationship with your dm but doesn't want to afford her the security she deserves as he's worried about the implications financially. Rotten of him IMO.

Bythemillpond · 11/08/2021 01:35

Her relationship with my step-dad may not be abusive per se, although it has an extremely unequal dynamic

He at the very least is financially abusive.

I can understand where your mother is at.

I can see that coming out of an abusive and what appears to have been a violent relationship with a small child she was probably suffering from trauma and probably ptsd.
Moving in with your gps was again not a great move for her confidence.
She was more than likely ground down
and living with her parents meant she never discovered that she could ever live an independent life.

Then she finds that someone says he wants to be with her.
She probably didn’t want to rock the boat by putting demands on this man because she was so desperate to be with someone for her own self esteem more than anything.

The more he said she was the opposite to his wife the meeker she became. Ignoring the reality that the more demanding woman was getting everything and she was living a poor existence and inflicting that lifestyle on her dd but I suppose she thought it would all work out in the end and her act of compliance became part of her personality.

At what point did she realise that for all the scrimping and saving and having no money in the household your SD was stashing away £200,000.

How did he manage to save that money or was it because your mum was paying bills, putting food on the table whilst he was saving and keeping his wife in the life style she was used to.

Leaving your mum a house she can live in is going to make her completely miserable as the wife and the son won’t be content to wait till your mum dies. They will want your mum out.

Ultimately if she had been on her own she would have more than likely been able to claim benefits alongside her earnings and would have been better off and not had to put up with this man his wife and his son and in time might have met someone who made her top priority.
But for that to happen your mum would have had to have the confidence to know her own worth.

Starseeking · 11/08/2021 02:04

@Doublestar

I feel really sorry for your DM (and you as a child) in this but ultimately I believe she should've been more assertive in insisting on the divorce from his ex and then marriage to her. He sounds like a selfish arse who hasn't thought about your DM in any of this. Your sb sounds like an entitled arse too. But ultimately your DM has put up with it. I hope she find the strength to leave him - he doesn't deserve her. You sound great OP. Show your dm this thread, maybe it'll open her eyes?

Agree this is a cautionary tale for unmarried women out there who will be up shit creek financially should they split from their partners. My dh didn't really want to marry and kept on coming up with lame excuses "we're fine as we are" etc (we have dcs and I'm a SAHM) so I eventually gave him an ultimatum - I booked the registrar and said "we're getting married in 6 months or I'm leaving with the kids". It worked a treat - we've been happily married for several years now and he realises he was being ridiculous. Sometimes it takes one half of a relationship to make a decision and stick to it if it isn't working for them - it helps give clarity to a situation when you are just drifting aimlessly along. If he'd have called my bluff and let me go I'd have had to live with that - but I'd have been staying authentic and known exactly where I stood.

Your stepdad wants to have his cake and eat it - he wants the love and comfort he gets for being in a relationship with your dm but doesn't want to afford her the security she deserves as he's worried about the implications financially. Rotten of him IMO.

This entirely.

I left my EXDP after being engaged 5 years as he was always making excuses. Like you I gave an ultimatum at 4 years, however instead of bucking up his ideas and getting on with it, he became emotionally abusive. Made it easier for me to leave, seeing how turned out, but sad for my DC having a split family.

OP it's not too late for your DM to rebuild her self-respect and dignity, but to do that she needs to value herself above this man. Legally he is nothing to her, so she needs to be proactive about addressing her situation, before she finds herself out in the street as a pensioner.

54321nought · 11/08/2021 02:35

So your "step father" has provided you and your mother with a home for 20 years? What is your gripe with this? It doesn't sound like you would have had one without him.

And your step brother wounds mentally ill, and that is no one's fault, least of all his, and he is not in a position I would envy at all. He certainly has needed more input because of this

Tiredoftattler · 11/08/2021 02:41

@Bythemillpond
The OP's mom did not need to meet someone who would have made her top priority. Her mistake was in not knowing that she and her daughter should have been her own top priority.

Women and men as well who wait to be made top priority by someone else have already surrendered their right to independence, self determination and self reliance. When you know your own self worth and are prepared to be independent and self.-sustaining your value and know exactly where you stand on the priority scale. You do not need validation from someone else; you are confident and aware of your own self worth.

RedMarauder · 11/08/2021 09:05

@sassbott

Sorry, not his exwife. His wife. Bonkers situation. Why women put themselves in these financially vulnerable situations time and again is beyond me. I often get told I am anti SAHM’s/ non working women/ women who work part time. But this is exactly why I always urge females (and males) in my network to keep working and ensure they build their financial cushion independent of a partner.
I don't think you are anti SAHM’s/ non working women/ women who work part time I think you are sensible. Everyone who is an adult needs to be able to support themselves and any of their own children themselves in case the worse happens.

My own mother ended up a young widow who initially didn't have the skills to support herself and her child because her parents didn't believe that women needed to be educated or work once they got married. So she ended up relying on female cousins, whose own parents had different attitudes, and a sister to help her out. (This is why I exist plus have older half-siblings). As a result my all the women in my family under 65, including half-siblings from my father and their partners, work or have their own money.

RedMarauder · 11/08/2021 09:18

So your "step father" has provided you and your mother with a home for 20 years? What is your gripe with this? It doesn't sound like you would have had one without him.

@54321nought this isn't true.

Even 20 years ago in London a single mother would have been able to get social housing.

I actually know single healthy women with no children who got social housing in late 90s/early 00s due to their family circumstances.

Bythemillpond · 11/08/2021 12:31
  • 54321nought

So your "step father" has provided you and your mother with a home for 20 years? What is your gripe with this? It doesn't sound like you would have had one without him

They weren’t exactly on the streets when she met him. She was living with her parents and would have been able to get her own place at some point.

Tiredoftattler I said might have met someone who made her top priority and not that she needed to

EnAttendantGodot · 11/08/2021 12:46

Thanks for the multiple suggestions too get legal advice. Spoke to Citizens Advice today, who said they would be able to advise my mum on speaking with a solicitor to get clarification about the situation and her various options. I'll talk with her today and suggest she does this. It might need to wait til I next see her to take it further, but if she has all the paperwork, a short consultation with a solicitor should at least shed some light.

OP posts:
EnAttendantGodot · 11/08/2021 13:01

Bythemillpond
The more he said she was the opposite to his wife the meeker she became. Ignoring the reality that the more demanding woman was getting everything and she was living a poor existence and inflicting that lifestyle on her dd but I suppose she thought it would all work out in the end and her act of compliance became part of her personality.

Yes, this is a good description. Thank you for seeing the way that her previous experiences shaped her behaviour too.

I think there is a narrative that shows up a lot about being "virtuous" and eventually getting rewarded for it - in religious texts and children's stories for example. That can be manipulated to keep someone doing something that is clearly not in their best interest by implying that it would be immoral / wrong to do otherwise.

What's really depressing is that at the time she met my step dad, my mum was part way through a professional degree. She stopped doing it the year after we moved in with him and never went back to it. I don't really know why she stopped, but it was around the same time that her father (my grandad) died, and in the middle of some of my step brother's very difficult behaviour, so it was a hard time for everyone.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 11/08/2021 15:10

I think there is a narrative that shows up a lot about being "virtuous" and eventually getting rewarded for it - in religious texts and children's stories for example. That can be manipulated to keep someone doing something that is clearly not in their best interest by implying that it would be immoral / wrong to do otherwise.

I find a lot of women get to middle/old age and realise that their selflessness has been taken as stupidity or ignored entirely. Their partners don't see it or take it for granted and their children make their own lives and aren't there. My SIL is incredibly resentful because of this. Too late now at 50.

We tell women to do it but fail to mention there isn't a prize at the end. You just get more of the same, everyone else serving their own needs.

Bythemillpond · 11/08/2021 19:53

EnAttendantGodot

I think your dm has had more than her fair share of incidents that have almost funnelled her into the situation she is in now.

Those saying it was her choice to stay are missing the fact that abuse even after it has stopped cuts off self worth. And it’s that lack of self worth that we see when women get out of one abusive relationship and into another. But whilst their next partner might not be like their previous violent partner (which they think is a win) the chances are the abuse takes a different form

TryingToBeLogical · 12/08/2021 01:22

OP, you sound wise, caring, and tough. Smart people learn from negative examples and you have managed to do that. You’ve gotten yourself an education and financial security. If the time hasn’t already come, there will come a time when you have your own home and property and be in complete control of them.You will feel secure because you are relying on yourself and no one can make a claim to controlling your property or you. Speaking from experience (and from seeing much damage done in my extended family by money and the promise/withholding of it), there was nothing more satisfying than when I became an adult and took control of my own finances and choices! I can still feel the relief, over 30 years later

Sadly, when you are successful and independent as you are, the people who are not (your brother and possibly, but hopefully not, your mother) will probably resent you. They will ascribe your independence and competence to “luck” rather than hard work and project negative qualities onto you that you don’t have. Keep on calmly and gently pointing out, if this happens, how your security and independence are a result of work and study, not luck. Don’t let them penetrate your shell of safety and get to you.

I take my hat off to you. Please allow yourself to be comforted by your own competence, skills, empathy, and independence. The people who should have looked out for you didn’t. And I agree with some PP’s that the person you really need to be angry with is your mother. This realization is waking up in you; work through it. But rest assured, you are in complete control of your life and that is something the people who wronged you will probably never have. You will never be in their shoes.

Wishing you the best.

smashionaltreasure · 12/08/2021 01:37

You've been royally shafted. I really feel for you and your poor mum.

It's not clear to me if your step father made you feel loved. I think it would have been clear if he had. He doesn't sound a terribly pleasant person.

I'm so sorry.

BeeOnADandelion · 12/08/2021 02:38

I was in a similar situation with my parents. Growing up in poverty, bullied for unfashionable clothes, everything second hand so no personal choices just whatever is available, freezing cold all winter every winter because there's no heating. Then finding out by chance years later that there's hundreds of thousands in the bank. I could accept the situation when I believed we were poor but now I know they chose to selfishly hoard the money whilst their DC suffered, I can't forgive that and our relationship is damaged. We used to be close but now I've mentally detached and moved on. Same as you ended up in an abusive relationship because my upbringing taught me to put myself last. So I understand your anger and disappointment. You're not responsible for your mum though, she made her choices and did what was best for her not for you (if she'd stayed a single parent you'd not have had university fees). No shame in you making your own choices now about what's best for you and leaving her to lie in the bed she made. I'd consider cutting the step family off now you're an adult, if they're going to bring you nothing but resentment and heartache. I hope you can go on to forge happiness and contentment for yourself and that your life is as good as it can be.