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20 years of absurdity

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EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 12:36

Hello Step-mums

Firstly I just wanted to say thank you. I've been reading these pages for a while and some of your wisdom has been so important in helping me to make sense of the weird, stressful dynamics that have been going on in my family for more than 20 years now.

I hope it's ok to post here - I'm a daughter / step-daughter rather than a step-mum, but I'm increasingly worried/upset about my mum's situation in her relationship with my step-dad.

I am an only child; my step-dad has a son who is the same age as me (same school year). My mum and step dad have been together since my step brother and I were both 10. Before she met my step-dad, my mum and I lived with her parents. She was a single mum and there was no contact with my dad because he was abusive and violent. When they got together, my step-dad bought a house, which he moved into with my mum and I. His ex-wife and son stayed living in their former family home, which my step-dad continued to pay for. My step brother stayed over part of every weekend and maybe one weekday night. He also came over some evenings without staying over.

When he met my mum, my step dad was in the process of divorcing his ex wife. There was a stated expectation that the divorce would be completed, that they would separate their assets and that my step dad would pay maintenance for my step brother and alimony for his ex wife, as he was the substantially higher earner. It was also stated (explicitly) that if my step-dad were to die before my mum (quite likely as there is an age gap of more than 15 years) my mum would inherit the house they lived in together.

Twenty years on (I cannot emphasize this enough - literally more than 20 years!) none of this has happened. My step-dad is still legally married to his 'ex' wife (she apparently made unreasonable demands about the divorce settlement and he found it too difficult to find a way to resolve this) and they still have shared bank accounts. My step dad has always transferred a substantial proportion of his income to his ex wife and continues to frequently pay ad hoc expenses that she incurs (eg work in her house that she wanted doing, unexpectedly large electricity bill that she couldn't afford).

My step dad has recently announced that he never intended for mum to own the house they live in and that his son will inherit it with a stipulation that mum can live there for as long as she wants. He is also using all of his savings to buy a house (outright, not just the deposit) for his son.

This is the continuation (and hopefully conclusion) of a long narrative of similar nonsense. My step dad feels a huge amount of guilt about 'abandoning' his son. That means that if he tries to set a boundary with his ex wife she says that he will cause / has already caused huge emotional damage to his son and (I surmise) he feels so anxious and guilty that he gives in every time.

My step brother has had emotional regulation difficulties for most of his life. When we first met, he was liable to have screaming sobbing meltdowns if he was unhappy. And very small things, like losing a computer game, could make him unhappy. This kind of behaviour continued until he was about 15. When we did things as a family of 4 we could only do things that he wanted to do. He would often insist we all played specific games or watched specific TV shows and would get upset if we didn't. He was rude and nasty to my mum but was never reprimanded, even for using derogative names to speak about her; behaviour which continued into adulthood. Some of this is normal teen behaviour and normal response to experiencing a (poorly managed) parental separation. But instead of helping him understand and manage his emotions, his dad pandered to all his demands, whilst his mum similarly gave in to him but also wound him up further by telling him his dad didn't care about him any more and that their lives were ruined because his dad was so cruel.

As an adult, my step brother has continued to struggle with his mental health. He dropped out of school after his GCSEs (passed all of them) and spent 2 years basically playing video games. He then did a BTEC and attended a local uni to do a degree. He then worked short ad hoc contracts but kept quitting because of huge fall outs with colleagues / bosses and was mostly unemployed for the rest of his 20s, continuing to live at home and doing a bit of voluntary work. He now has a personality disorder diagnosis, has spent a lot of time doing therapy and has finally been able to start working, at first part time, now approximately full time. Throughout his 20s and early 30s he has lived with his mum, has never paid any rent and has frequently needed his dad's help to bail him out financially with unwise purchases (mostly dodgy cars on finance).

I am glad that in future my step brother will be financially secure, even though he may not always be able to work. I am also glad that his mum has her own house and financial security. I am not for one moment suggesting that my step dad should not have provided for both of them when his relationship ended, or not continued to be a full parent and father figure to his son. However, I find it extremely hurtful that my step dad has not thought to provide my mum with the same financial security. She and my step dad's ex have both worked in similar low-paid roles throughout their careers. The ex is now retired; my mum is still working part time and has a small amount of savings. However, nowhere near enough for a deposit even for a flat. I do not believe that the 'security' of being able to live in a house belonging to my step brother would provide actual security for her, as I think my step brother or his mum would start hassling her to move out so they could sell the house. I suspect my step dad initially intended for her to inherit the house they live in, but met with huge resistance from his ex and/or son, so quietly dropped the idea without mentioning this to my mum.

Our lifestyle in my teen years was extremely frugal. Almost all of our things came from charity shops, car boot sales or freecycle. My step brother had lots of new games consoles, but we didn't even have a proper computer with an internet connection, so I had to bike round to my gran's house if I wanted to research things for school. My mum only has a smartphone now because I bought one for her. I was bullied at school because my clothes were unfashionable and second hand. I always assumed that this lifestyle was either because there was very little spare money as my step-dad was the main earner and was splitting his income across 2 households, or that it was a choice that he and my mum made and were both happy with. It now seems that my mum didn't feel able to ask for more in case my step dad thought she was "greedy". To discover that, during this time, he has actually accumulated at least £200k of savings, all of which will be spent on a house for my step brother, has really shocked me.

I'm very fortunate that I have been able to study at a good university and work full time in well paid jobs with career security. However, my husband and I pay a substantial proportion of our income every month on rent and have slowly accumulated the money needed to put down as a deposit for a mortgage. I am still paying back my student loan as a fraction of my salary every month and worked every summer when I was an undergraduate to top up my maintenance loan. (To add insult to injury, my step brother did not have to pay any student fees at all because his dad was not a "resident parent" so his income was not counted.) The disparity with my step brother, even before learning about the house, is huge.

This all sounds a bit detached and focused on financial issues. But I'm just so depressed by the whole mess. I wasn't thrilled to move away from my grandparents when I was 10, but I largely tried to make the best of it. As an adult, I have always treated my step dad as part of my family - more like an in-law than a father figure but respectfully, politely and kindly. I asked him to do a reading at my wedding ffs. To now discover that he has cared so little for my mum and I that he cannot even see that either one of us might find his behaviour towards her hurtful or disrespectful is just so upsetting. Every time I think about it, I end up crying.

I'm also angry about how much my step brother has been failed by both his parents. Neither of them has ever been able to step back from their own anger and blaming to see the actual needs of their son. He's just been placated (dad) or manipulated and used as a pawn (mum) to stop my step dad detaching emotionally and financially from her. As a result, my step brother is still stuck in the same resentments and emotional turmoil as when his parents first separated. He lacks the interpersonal skills to live independently (really doubt he knows how to run the washing machine or use a vacuum cleaner) and has missed out on a lot of adult life because of his mental health difficulties.

Finally, it's been emotionally damaging to me to see my mum stay in a relationship like that. I have an ingrained fear that it might be self indulgent to buy new things or replace items of clothing before they literally have holes in. I unfortunately spent several years in my 20s in a relationship with an abusive older man, who used, among other things, the income disparity between himself and me (a student and then grad student) to manipulate and control me. Thankfully, I got out of that relationship and also got some therapy, but I think one of the reasons I stayed so long was that I was so used to seeing a similar dynamic between my mum and step dad that it felt normal.

I'm not really looking for advice, just venting I think. But also, I have seen posters here asking if difficult dynamics will get better once their step children are adults. And no, I don't necessarily think that will happen. If the step child's parents are both on board with helping their children become independent adults, then yes, difficult behaviours will probably stop. But if the parents are trapped in an emotionally enmeshed mess of guilt tripping, manipulation and pandering, then no. Nothing will change except your own, and your children's willingness to accommodate the absurdity.

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Tiredoftattler · 10/08/2021 12:59

OP, your mom made a series of choices that may or may not have led to her present circumstances. It is unlikely that given her life time earning history, that her financial circumstances would be different had she remained single.

If her husband properly prepares his will, she can be given a life tenancy in his home. This will ensure , under most circumstances, that she has a place to live. As much as you resent your step father, he has made provisions for your mother, this is not something that she could have done for him.

Sadly, the real lesson is that adults should prepare themselves to be self sufficient and self supporting regardless of their marital or relationship status.

Fairlane · 10/08/2021 13:27

Thanks for your post. I was in the position of your mother for a few years.

I left the relationship as I was never comfortable with the way he financially favoured his biological children and ex-wife over me and my biological DCs.

While I genuinely liked his ex-wife, exDP provided her with an income so she could continue not to work (their youngest DC was 15 and lived with us). Meanwhile, I worked FT in a low paid role and we had all six DCs mostly home with us (I had three under 10). I felt like our household income was supporting another grown woman to live a lifestyle that was much more leisurely than ours! But he saw it as 'his' income paying for her and his DCs so he wanted it to stay that way.

I have no regrets about ending the relationship as I did not want my DCs to grow up in that environment. Your post has confirmed this once again to me Flowers

Iwonder08 · 10/08/2021 13:48

OP, I can strongly recommend you stop analysing your mum's relationship and worry about her financial future. In your long story there is no sign of abuse. She was an adult woman who made a decision to get together with this man. She continued living with him for 20 years even though he is married to someone else. Don't think of her as a victim. It was her choice.
You should take care of your own life.

EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 13:49

Tiredoftattler

Broadly speaking, I agree with you. My mum has not made good decisions and is only now coming to realise that. Similarly, my step dad is free to make his own decisions about what he does with his finances.

However, I also think that my step dad has not been honest about his intentions. He told my mum that they would get married; and he told her that she would inherit the house they live in (which is not the same as having a life tenancy). He also told my grandparents that these things would happen. They have not happened. He did not even tell her that he had changed his mind about the house and now says that it was never his intention for her to inherit it, which is simply untrue. Whilst I appreciate that one of my mum's bad decisions was to go on believing his words over his actions, she took his words in good faith and acted accordingly.

(From a financial perspective, I would also have greatly appreciated knowing his plans previously, as I now need to think about my mother's financial security as well as my own.)

I also think that he has been somewhat emotionally manipulative. He has made a big thing of appreciating how my mum is not financially "grasping" like his ex, which has then made it difficult for her to ask for clarity about their financial situation. Another bad decision there, to acquiesce to silence and not insist on openness.

Overall, there are a bunch of red flags waving all over this relationship set-up, which my mum seems to have chosen to ignore for a long long time. I would be totally incredulous about this, but sadly my own experience of bad relationships is that it is emotionally very difficult to confront the reality that your partner is not who you hoped they were. And the more of yourself you have sacrificed for a relationship, the harder it is to admit your misjudgement.

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Bopahula · 10/08/2021 13:59

I'm sorry you're all in this situation, but it does seem your mum made a series of bad decisions in staying with him. She chose to because financially she probably couldn't have done it on her own anyway. Even now she could leave, but I suspect she won't, as such it makes her beholden to his whims. I'd be more angry that your mum stayed despite the impact on you, she left you in the situation where your step brothers tantrums ruled your life rather than taking you away from that. Again not a great parenting decision from her.

I can see why you are frustrated at the disparity, but you need to accept you can do nothing to chance the dynamic with your step brother. It's hard as it does seem unfair.

SpaceshiptoMars · 10/08/2021 14:02

This is so sad. It's like a modern cautionary tale. I only hope the OP got something out of her relationship with SF. Did he help at all with homework, education, careers' advice?

EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 14:10

Iwonder

Largely, this is what I am doing and this is good advice. I have always made sure I am financially independent myself, partly from finding her relationship set-up so uncomfortable. I am lucky I should be in a position to make sure she is ok, but my goodness am I frustrated (only found out about all this last week) that I have to think about that on top of my own financial security.

Emotionally speaking, I had previously maintained a "not my circus not my monkeys" stance on the whole thing. However, I now feel rather hurt that she thought the trade off of being in the relationship was worth it, when it meant choosing broken furniture and second hand clothes for me as well as her.

Again, I have nothing against that if there's no money (had plenty of second hand clothes in my earlier childhood too); but the idea that there was plenty of money going into savings does rankle somewhat.

I had emotionally made peace with the decisions I thought my mother had made. However, I'm now realising that they were not the decisions I thought they were. I'll get there in a few days, just feeling a bit like a disgruntled teenager at the moment.

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vivainsomnia · 10/08/2021 14:18

Sadly, their relationship might not be a loving one any longer and they might just be staying together more for convenience than love.

He is protecting her completely but stating she has a life right to remain in the property so her needs are covered. It's you who is missing out. It sounds like your relationship was polite, but you say yourself, not like a daughter and father, so he doesn't consider that he owes you to support you financially in adulthood.

I don't think there is anything wrong in principle. If he never divorced his ex, it's probably because it was then the excuse to not marry your mum, maybe because he struggled too much with how his wife treated him and didn't want it repeated with your mum. Ultimately, your mum chose to stay with him in spite of it. She could have moved on. She also chose to remain in a low paid job and then to go PT.

I totally get that you are disappointed, but the dynamics of it all is nothing to do with you and you have to accept the choices your mum made for herself and you.

vivainsomnia · 10/08/2021 14:21

Again, I have nothing against that if there's no money (had plenty of second hand clothes in my earlier childhood too); but the idea that there was plenty of money going into savings does rankle somewhat
They were not married and there's a lot behind why they never were to justify the current situation. If he truly intended to marry her, he would have taken the steps to divorce but he never did and your mum accepted it. With that it would seem came an understanding that he wouldn't accept his income and assets were fully shared.

EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 14:30

Fairlane

I have no regrets about ending the relationship as I did not want my DCs to grow up in that environment. Your post has confirmed this once again to me

I'm really glad you were able to make that decision xx

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EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 14:39

SpaceshipToMars
I only hope the OP got something out of her relationship with SF. Did he help at all with homework, education, careers' advice?

Not with homework/education, but he always bought me books, which was nice. He read one of my favourite poems at my wedding.

vivainsomnia
It sounds like your relationship was polite, but you say yourself, not like a daughter and father, so he doesn't consider that he owes you to support you financially in adulthood.

I never expected financial support tbh. I just never realised how little I was treated as part of his 'family'. This is really what hurts the most. I think he does care about me - eg thoughtful gifts like books - we get on well as adults and he has always tried to be kind; but I feel like I was an inconvenience.

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lunar1 · 10/08/2021 14:43

I think it's really important your mum finds out the details of his will exactly, and maybe post on legal for advice.

If your DM needs to move either for health or because she couldn't afford the house upkeep, what happens at that point? Does your step brother inherit at that point leaving her with nothing or is there scope for her to move using the equity.

Walkingthedog46 · 10/08/2021 14:47

You say there is an age gap of more than 15 years? If it comes to it that he ever needs a carer, make sure your mum sends him back to his (ex)wife and son. She’ll have enough to deal with having no financial security or stake in the house.

EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 14:55

Also, just to clarify on comments about abuse.

I don't think my step dad was abusive to my mother, although he was dishonest and they do have a very unequal relationship. I was more commenting on how seeing my mum put her needs (and my needs) aside in their relationship taught me not to value myself and left me vulnerable to missing red flags in my own relationship.

I also think my mum's previous experience of an abusive relationship with my dad left her with very low self esteem, so she has stayed much longer than seems reasonable in an unrewarding relationship. She was very much in love with my step-dad, so I think she thought all the compromises were worth it.

I also think my step dad probably did intend to marry her and sort things out properly. He just didn't, because it led to big arguments with his ex which he found too difficult. He's someone who tends to take the easy way out. If my mum had been more assertive, perhaps things would have been different, but she wasn't so I think he convinced himself she would understand or didn't really mind.

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AliceMcK · 10/08/2021 14:57

@Iwonder08

OP, I can strongly recommend you stop analysing your mum's relationship and worry about her financial future. In your long story there is no sign of abuse. She was an adult woman who made a decision to get together with this man. She continued living with him for 20 years even though he is married to someone else. Don't think of her as a victim. It was her choice. You should take care of your own life.
How is OPs mother being financially controlled by her partner, making her and her daughter wear old worn out clothes while his ex and son live a life of luxury not abuse? Just because it wasn’t violent dose not mean it has not happened.

OP it sounds like your DM was misled during her entire relationship. She may not have wanted to rock the bought to give you what she thought was a stable upbringing.

I’m not a legal expert but I’m guessing as your stepdad is still married to his ex she will automatically be his next of kin. If your DM has contributed to the house, hopefully she can have a claim to it.

Maybe you should move this over to the legal board to see if your DM has any rights to the house before it’s left to your step brother, who quite frankly sounds like a spoilt and entitled brat. It may have been his parents doing, but he is an adult now.

It sounds like your stepfather has used your DM to satisfy his day to day needs while he is still taking care of his ex wife who he obviously cares more about than your DM, if he didn’t then this would not be the situation your DM has found herself in. No one pay their ex’s expenses and keeps joint bank accounts with them if they are not emotionally attached to them.

Both you and your DM need to stop being so soft with your stepdad and start getting hardball on making sure she stops being screwed over.

Getawaywithit · 10/08/2021 15:01

Your mum has made choices in life. I think you are probably pissed off with the wrong person/people here. You seem to be angry at the ex wife and your step dad when really, it is your mum who has put up with this and allowed it to carry on for so long. She could have built her own financial security - thousands of women manage it - rather than rely on a man still married to someone else. She could have given an ultimatum about him divorcing. She could have demanded he reduce his payments to his ex and walk if he wouldn’t. She did none of this, presumably because the situation worked for her. Is it fair? Probably not. She sounds taken advantage of and generally meek which has allowed the situation to go on for so long.

It is not too late for her to make changes to her life. Perhaps this is something you can discuss with her and support her future happiness. It is hard to imagine that she is content with how things are.

frazzledasarock · 10/08/2021 15:09

I’d be angry with my mother here.

Your mother chose to put you in a situation where you were very much the poor relation and suffered because of it, in order to have a man in her life.

That’s the sum of it really.

Your mother hasn’t earned any of the money or the house she lives in and the owner can dispose of his property as he sees fit.

You’d have to be completely oblivious to believe your stepfather would have drastically changed his spending patterns by giving a house to your mum when he’s spent his life showing you he won’t spend on you and your mum his family come first. His family being ex wife and son.

This is your mother’s choice.

Don’t waste energy being angry, your mother sounds like this is what she wants 🤷🏻‍♀️

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/08/2021 15:25

Everyone here but the children made 'choices'. His was to have his partner and stepdaughter live in poverty while he spoiled his son. All the while lying and gaslighting. The fact that they had a house to live in while he was doing this is something. But I've often said that it takes a special kind of arsehole to eat lobster while their partner eats bread and water.

Hers was to stay with a gaslighting liar and prioritise his feelings (and her relationship) above working to secure a better emotional future for her daughter.

Unfortunately (as ever) it's actually the golden child who suffers worse than the black sheep. OP has independence, a work ethic, has realised the importance of equal relationships. The son is trapped in eternal resentful adolescence. Poor bugger.

OP don't bankrupt yourself to look after your mum.

EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 17:01

MrsTerryPratchett

Unfortunately (as ever) it's actually the golden child who suffers worse than the black sheep. OP has independence, a work ethic, has realised the importance of equal relationships.

Well thank you for the vote of confidence!

The son is trapped in eternal resentful adolescence. Poor bugger.

Quite.

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SpaceshiptoMars · 10/08/2021 17:04

I would be concerned about her pension situation. It sounds like all she will have is little more than the basic state pension to run a whole house on. If he has a DB (old style company) pension, then she could appeal to the trustees for provision to be made for her (when he dies, not before!). The ex and son get houses, so it's possible that she would be awarded his pension - no guarantees though, but dependency for 20 years is a strong case.

EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 17:19

frazzled

Don’t waste energy being angry, your mother sounds like this is what she wants

Sadly, this has all become known to me because it suddenly very much isn't what she wants. I think she suddenly realised (without knowing about the inheritance plans) how much she had sacrificed (and made me sacrifice); only to get nothing back. She has been quite ill recently and my step-dad was not as (emotionally) supportive as she needed, which led her to question things and ask for some clarity.

The more there was clarity, the worse it got.

I am kind of angry with her, because I think she should have left him long ago, but I'd rather focus on practically sorting things out (hopefully she will leave him now) than on being angry. Similarly with my step dad, I'm pretty hurt at the moment, because I only just realised that the degree of inequality was at least an order of magnitude larger than I had previously thought. It doesn't really materially change that much about my life right now though (thankfully), so I can hopefully recalibrate my expectations and have as little to do with him as possible from here on. I've already hardly seen his son since I went to uni.

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EnAttendantGodot · 10/08/2021 17:34

Getawaywithit
She sounds taken advantage of and generally meek which has allowed the situation to go on for so long.

This is an accurate description.

AliceMcK
It sounds like your stepfather has used your DM to satisfy his day to day needs while he is still taking care of his ex wife who he obviously cares more about than your DM, if he didn’t then this would not be the situation your DM has found herself in.

While the first part is accurate, he actually can't stand his ex. It's all about his son.

SpaceshipToMars
That's about correct. Ironically, the sticking point in the divorce has been that ex wife requested rights to his pension, which he didn't want her to have.

Overall, it seems like there are two options for my mum. Leave him, forsaking any rights to the house; or seek legal recourse to try and (slightly) improve her current situation, whilst staying in a relationship that is no longer emotionally fulfilling. Personally, I would ditch the whole thing in order to never have to hear about / from the whole lot of them ever again, but perhaps that's a bit drastic.

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LatentPhase · 10/08/2021 17:37

A wise and cautionary tale.

A reminder for women to open their eyes, and love themselves and their financial security first.

Thanks for sharing, OP Flowers

WhatsErFace2020 · 10/08/2021 17:49

@EnAttendantGodot what were your mother’s contributions to the household during the 20 years? If very little, then the end result should be the same as if she had stayed at your grandparents.
What did your mother contribute financially to her step son? Again, I imagine very little if any.

Sorry to be harsh, but it does come across that you resent what your step brother has been gifted, but it really is not his or his dads fault. 🤷🏼‍♀️

If this is really about You ensuring your mothers stability, then you need to make sure she saves hard/pays more into her pension Immediately. She should also Make your SD have it written into his will that she does indeed get to stay in the house after his death. She still gets live comfortably in her home for free as he promised, it’s just you wouldn’t inherit anything eventually.

With the way care costs are, None of us should be expecting anything from the sale of houses anymore.

Again, sorry if this was harsh. Your Step Brother May have had all the help in the world, it has not made him a better (more functional) person, where as you on the other hand, have indeed had it harder, but if you see this in a positive way, you have turned out to be an altogether more rounded person who will have a more full life because of your experiences.

AliceMcK · 10/08/2021 18:21

@EnAttendantGodot

Getawaywithit She sounds taken advantage of and generally meek which has allowed the situation to go on for so long.

This is an accurate description.

AliceMcK
It sounds like your stepfather has used your DM to satisfy his day to day needs while he is still taking care of his ex wife who he obviously cares more about than your DM, if he didn’t then this would not be the situation your DM has found herself in.

While the first part is accurate, he actually can't stand his ex. It's all about his son.

SpaceshipToMars
That's about correct. Ironically, the sticking point in the divorce has been that ex wife requested rights to his pension, which he didn't want her to have.

Overall, it seems like there are two options for my mum. Leave him, forsaking any rights to the house; or seek legal recourse to try and (slightly) improve her current situation, whilst staying in a relationship that is no longer emotionally fulfilling. Personally, I would ditch the whole thing in order to never have to hear about / from the whole lot of them ever again, but perhaps that's a bit drastic.

That dosnt make sense that he is still married and has a shared joint bank accounts with his ex if it is all about his son, who is in his 30s now. How dose having a joint account, being still married to his sons mother and paying for her house exactly benefit the son? I understand the son still lives with his mum but if your stepdad wanted to look after his son there are plenty of other ways of doing it. He could have forced the sale of the house and the divorce then bought his son somewhere to live at any point in the last 12+ years since his son was an adult.

What’s your stepdad going to do if your DM walks out? Is he the type of person who can take care of himself, or dose he expect a woman to do it? Would her leaving or threatening to him make him step up and try and keep her, like any man would if he really loved her…

If your Dm has finally woken up to the way she has been treated she needs to do something now to stand up for herself.

Personally I’d leave the old fucker to be miserable and lonely in his old age as it dosnt sound like the ex or son would look after him.