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Stepparent1234 · 14/07/2021 21:05

I’m new, please forgive me if I don’t know the lingo quite yet. My husband and I have been married for 3 years now. I have 2 daughters from my previous marriage and he has 3 daughters from his previous marriage. My girls are younger; 9 and 11. His are older; two are out of the house and the youngest is 15.

Up until 5 years ago my DH and his girls lived in CO; about 1500 miles away, which is where his kids grew up. When DH and I began dating he moved to where I live in OH, so his kids stayed in CO with their biomom. They do not have a formal custody agreement; my DH is self employed so he’s fortunate enough to be able to go to CO for a week at a time every 6 to 7 weeks or so, during which time the youngest daughter spends the entire week with him, or his girls will come to us in OH and stay with us sometimes. Primarily just the youngest will come stay with us sometimes, since the older two are in college/ have their own families now. The youngest will come and stay with us for like 2 weeks over Christmas every other year, and come for a month during the summer.. I guess its to be expected that my DH’s daughter (SD15) had the toughest time I think with her parents’ divorce. And with him moving out of state. She

My kids father and I don’t have a custody agreement; he lives in the same town as us, and whenever he wants them they go to his house, but he doesn’t see them all that much and usually the longest he’ll have them is overnight; very rarely maybe 2 nights. It may average out to like 4 to 6 days a month I guess that he has them? He isn’t really a family man and he works out of town sometimes so that is a factor as well as to why he doesn’t see them that much.

So, while my kids’ bio dad isn’t ‘out of the picture’ so to speak, their stepfather, my DH, pretty much serves as their dad.

SD15 just left here after spending the month with us in OH and we’ll be seeing her again in about 2 weeks when DH and my kids and I go to CO for a one week visit.

I feel awful but I’m to the point where I just don’t even want to be around her. I’d like to get some unbiased advice maybe. I just find her rude, lazy, dramatic, selfish, just overall unlikeable. Is it me??

I think it started 2 years ago; SD15 was 13 and up until that point I really didn’t have a problem. We didn’t spend a ton of time together, but when we did it was fine, we got along, no big deal. But one day 2 years ago when she was staying with us in OH, we went to the store, did a little shopping, and she made a nasty comment in front of me, and my DH, and my kids, regarding DH paying for everything. Took me a second but I realized she was upset at the fact that DH was pulling out HIS debit card even though there were things there for MY kids. My daughters were pretty young at that point, 7 and 9, so they didn’t know at all what she’d said or what it meant or anything. But I did. DH knew I was furious; I didn’t say anything but we drove home and he did go and speak with SD15 in private to tell her she shouldn’t have said that, and that me and him are married and so our money isn’t separate yada yada. She did apologize to me; at her father’s urging of course but she did sound apologetic and was polite.

My daughters, especially my 11 year old (then 9 year old at that first incident) positively adore SD15. They are beyond excited when they know they’re going to see her – my 11 YO gets everything ready for her, makes sure her room is perfect, plans activities. So to hear SD15 basically put down my daughters like that and be just outraged that her daddy was spending money on them, got me to my core. I’ve worked since I was 15 years old; I’ve been at my current company for 16 years and have worked my way up to the top. Although there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, I have never stayed home – like SD15’s mom did for all of her life – and I am extremely proud of my career and my work ethic. I do not ask for handouts nor ask anyone to support me or my kids. I never did speak to SD15 directly about this incident; when I’d go through the possible conversation in my head after it happened it always led to me explaining to her how I work very hard, I have worked all my life, I do provide for my kids. And then I’d realize I was preparing to f&$king explain myself to a 13 YO. Not going to happen. My DH did concede that it was rude, she should never have said it but he would add that she was just a kid, sometimes kids say stuff. He’d say ‘You don’t think your kids have ever said anything that hurt my feelings? But they’re just kids’. Which, at the time my girls were 7 and 9, so not quite sure what they would have ever said up to that point that would be so condescending and ugly. But OK.

I suppose my feelings for SD15 never really recovered after that. I had to watch my 9 YO/ 10 YO just adore SD15, follow her around like a puppy, all the while I had the knowledge that SD15 had put them (and me) down the way she did (I will say SD15 has never said anything nasty directly to my daughters or treated them badly or anything; other than minor step sister type things.) And my feelings get worse every year as does the strain on my marriage.

My DH and I’s situations are so different, I think that may be a big part of the struggle for him and I? He is raising my two kids with me; of course he disciplines them and corrects them and guides them. And I won’t lie it was difficult at first for him to discipline them; I wasn’t used to that and my first instinct at times was to defend them. But I learned to accept it, and work with him as best I can to raise my girls together. And I think it goes pretty well for the most part. I’m probably a little more strict on them than he is – I want to raise kind, generous, polite, helpful kids. When they’re wrong or being drama queens I have absolutely no problem setting them straight! When they’re being sassy or lazy I put them in their place and tell them what’s what.

This isn’t the case with SD15. I am not helping to raise her, I’m barely in a ‘mother’ role at all. Which is fine with me, she has a mother, but this means I have no disciplinary power, and I cannot talk to her/ set her straight like I talk to/ correct my own kids. So I’ve been just bottling up what I feel; trying to get through our time with her as best I can – sometimes that’s by just working late when I can, sometimes by trying to avoid her in the house, and usually by just keeping my thoughts to myself, etc. Its just gotten so bad this time; she just left yesterday after spending a little over 3 weeks with us and I quite literally cannot believe how long those 3 weeks felt. Me and DH dang near got divorced by the end of it. Its making me very sad – she is my family – she is DH’s daughter, she’s my kids’ stepsister. What is wrong with me? I have started, over the past few days, to speak out to DH. He does try to listen to me, I can tell, and try to understand. For the most part he’s pretty defensive though. Again with ‘she’s just a kid’ and kind of comparing her to my kids, as in ‘your kids say stuff and do stuff sometimes too, they’re just kids’. I want to scream ‘She isn’t a little child for God’s sake! She’s a 15 year old with a nose ring!!’ He has never been mean, or nasty to me, he is a wonderful, kind, caring man who loves me dearly. And I do believe he tries to understand. But I have a feeling its just extremely difficult to see your bio children in the same light as someone who isn’t related to them. Is it just me??? Here are examples from the past few weeks of what has really gotten to me (most of them, on their own, are nothing. But day after day of shut like this, it just wears on me.)

We go to a neighborhood function one evening – the event is at the back of the neighborhood so we must walk about ½ mile to a mile. DH and I each carry a folding chair on our back, my youngest daughter carries her own little chair, and my 11 YO and SD15 do not carry anything. We get to the event, DH and I each set up our chair, I set my phone down and put my drink in the chair’s cupholder then walk my youngest daughter over to her friend sitting nearby. I come back a minute later and SD15 has moved my phone and my drink over and is sitting in the chair, engrossed in her phone, doesn’t look up. DH must have seen my face, he smiles and says Oh you can just sit in my chair 😊 But I went to this function to be with my DH so we both end up standing the whole time, SD15 never looks up from her phone. My two kids were off playing the whole time, never sat down. Course once the evening is wrapping up I make a joke “I’m not carrying that chair back lol!” and DH isn’t happy he says ‘Its just a chair, jeez, I said you could sit in my chair’. I of course end up carrying it back.

We all go to the movies. We get to the snack counter and order food & drinks and the total of course is expensive. SD15 makes a noise about it and I gave her the benefit of the doubt – I said ‘I know, right, its so expensive nowadays for the movies! This doesn’t even include the tickets!’ And SD15 says ‘Yea but they don’t need all that’ and gestures to my girls, who got popcorn and a drink just like SD15 but also got a candy and one of them got an icee too.

SD15 does not do her own laundry at our house, does not wash dishes, does not take the trash from out of her room. Now my youngest is 9 and doesn’t do a whole lot around the house. But my 11 YO does her own laundry and cleans her room, takes out her trash, and does often offer to pitch in, whether its putting up the groceries, picking up in the living room, etc.

I don’t do well with negativity and complaining. Yes of course my two kids complain at times, sometimes a lot. Me and DH have no problem telling them ‘Hey, chill out OK. Calm down.’ About 60% of what SD15 says is negative and/or complaining. I will say, my DH can also tend to get too negative for my taste at times, and from what I know of SD15’s BM , she is an extremely negative ‘play the victim’ type of person. So I’m certain that SD15 is only mimicking what she’s been around her whole life. But its so frustrating, and within a week of her being with us I can tell my daughters are picking up that negative attitude.

SD15 says (has been saying since I’ve known her) that she has an allergy to something. DH explained to me once before that they’d taken SD15 to an allergy doctor when she was young and she had a slight reaction to this item. SD15 brings it up at least once each time she’s with us. We recently had kind of a dramatic moment while out in public due to even the possibility of this alleged allergy – nothing major, granted, but pretty embarrassing. I’ve never seen SD15 show any hint of an allergic reaction and DH has told me before that the biomom is the one who really played this up, and that SD15 has likely grown out of any allergy she may have once had to this item, and but now BM has SD15 believing she’s in ‘danger’ at times when its just absolutely ridiculous. But he wouldn’t dare to ever call SD15 on it, or anything else completely dramatic that she does or says.

The overall rudeness gets to me. SD15 will interrupt a conversation, no problem, and begin talking over me, or over DH if he’s the one talking to me. DH has never said a word.

A few days ago DH and I were discussing something, SD15 was within ear shot. I won’t get into details but it was regarding Covid, specifically how pleased we were how OH handled a certain thing; we praised the OH governor, etc. SD15 happens to be of the opposite mind from us when it comes to some Covid mandates and points of view, including this one that we were talking about. Anyway DH and I are talking about how OH handles this issue, and SD15 looks up from her phone and says from nearby ‘Dad – you know that OH is 44th on the education scale? Do you know what CO is? 6th’. That was it, no one responded. I guess that was something she looked up so that could proclaim what uneducated hicks we are in our area? Not sure. DH certainly didn’t say anything back to her.

This was extremely long, wow. Anyway, those are just a few instances of when I’ve really had to bite my tongue these last few weeks. Maybe these are very minor things and I need to get a grip. Maybe this is all normal behavior and my kids do all of this too but I don’t get mad when they do it. I don’t know. I’d love to get an opinion from anyone else maybe in a similar situation, or who has been in a similar situation! Thanks for reading..

OP posts:
RedRoomAvenger · 15/07/2021 01:18

You don't sound like someone who doesn't like negativity. Everything you've said about this child has been negative and you sound jealous of her and her Mum.

What does it matter wether her Mum and her Dad when together, had a set up where she looks after the kids and he earnt the money. You sound fixated on the choices your husband and the Mum made when they were together.

It sounds like you didn't want her at the event because you wanted him all to yourself and it sounds like you're jealous about her relationship with her step siblings too.

And just because you didn't find your parents divorce traumatic does not mean other children don't. Many many do.

I think counselling for yourself to mange your resentment of her might help you. My second stepmum could barely tolerate us being around, she'd find fault in things that were overlooked when her son did it and after my dad died, her son told me she hated us because she couldn't stand the fact my dad had been in love with and had sex with someone before her, he also said he was convinced my Dad still loved my Mum as she's the one who ended the marriage.

Maggiesfarm · 15/07/2021 03:29

@NoYOUbekind

I'm going to paraphrase this post thusly: a 13 year old said or repeated a fairly mean thing that she probably heard from her mother and an adult woman can't forgive her for it.

You need to reset your attitude.

Teenagers are tough, teenagers whose fathers left them then moved out of state are particularly tough, teenagers who are majority parented differently to your own smaller children are perhaps toughest of all. This kid sounds a wee bit stroppy. I could probably list 25 similar 'incidents' from my own perfectly lovely 15 year old in one day.

I'd actually love to fast forward 8 years or so to when your own kids are teens...

I thought the same. Kids often say mean or tactless things but they don't see things in an adult way. I can't imagine hanging on to something like that for two years.

The girl is not with you all the time anyway and your children adore her.

Try to get this fifteen year old's attitude and comments into proportion. It will pass. However if you continue to resent her, she'll pick up on that soon enough (so will your children), which will make things worse.

PolkadotZebra · 15/07/2021 04:47

Wow. What a hateful post.

Some people are not capable of being decent step-parents and it's a shame for that poor girl that neither you nor your husband realised that you were such a person before he married you.

It's rare to see something quite as petty and spiteful directed at a child on here. Grow up. And good luck with your own teenagers in a couple of years with your attitude!

Codoftherings · 15/07/2021 05:07

Irrelevant but what’s the nose ring got to do with it? I ask because I had one at 11 years old.

There was a part that really got me thinking, when you said perhaps your children do the same things but you don’t notice them as much as when SD does them. Are you subconsciously just treating her different and can’t help yourself? Could you try and get some professionally perspective and help to manage your negative thoughts?

Is this really worth losing a marriage over? Things will only get worse if you don’t find a way to cope with it now. Children aren’t easy and nor will yours be as they get older. We can give up on them and throw the towel in though x

Codoftherings · 15/07/2021 05:07

Sorry typo - I meant we CANT give up on them

Fullofglee · 15/07/2021 07:56

There will come a time where your dh is less intolerant of your precious girls most likely when they hit their teen years let's hope he's less judgemental towards minor infractions than you are.

Ozanj · 15/07/2021 08:00

@Stepparent1234

Her parents divorced and both moved away from the town where the kids were (mostly) brought up. No DH did not follow them, he returned to his home state. That doesn't make him a bad man, or a bad father. Nor does remarrying and having stepkids.

Yes, SD15 is a teenager, and she gets a lot of her attitude, and her opinions from her mother, no doubt.

Regardless of the situation though (and to be clear, having divorced parents, while difficult, is hardly at the top of the traumatic life story list, give me a break) it isn't a free pass to be bratty and ugly to others. I was raised to be polite, nice to others, and you better believe my mother was not taking crap from me and letting me do whatever I wanted.

I am very proud to work and provide for me and my kids. I purchase their clothing, pay for their healthcare, pay for their extracurricular activities, pay half the mortgage and utilities and credit card bill each month and provide for them overall, and I always have.
So for someone, teenager or no, to make a comment insinuating how dare my husband appear to buy something for my kids, as if I'm mooching off of a sugardaddy, you bet, I absolutely take offense to that.
I'm not going into financial specifics; SD15 is very well taken care of lol. She's fortunate, she has more than most kids do. Would she prefer to have her daddy's money all to herself? Yes I'm sure she would. Although -- while she was here she did say her mom's new boyfriend is rich; they're thinking of moving to California apparently.. So... There's that...

OK I'm getting a little cheeky and sarcastic now, its hard not to with the ridiculous responses lol .. I'll sign off; this ain't the place for constructive feedback and actual advice, got it :p)

Lol you are a gold digger, that’s why you took her comments seriously. If you really did input 50% into the joint finances and didn’t need to marry men you only just met to get money for your kids you would never have taken a 13 year old’s words so seriously.
Kanaloa · 15/07/2021 08:04

Also, rather than wanting to have her daddy’s money all to herself, maybe she wants to have a bit more of him to herself. She doesn’t really have ‘more than most kids do’ as her dad sees her every six weeks. My kids see their dad every day, and to a kid or a teen that’s worth more than any money. It’s very understandable that she would feel unsettled and pushed out when your kids see her dad more than she does.

DancesWithTortoises · 15/07/2021 08:08

OK I'm getting a little cheeky and sarcastic now, its hard not to with the ridiculous responses lol .. I'll sign off; this ain't the place for constructive feedback and actual advice, got it :p)

Good decision, OP. There are some bitter and twisted posters on this site who love to have a go at step mothers. Ignore them. You are entitled to feel as you feel.

Only on this site to people whinge about the term bio mum. It's accepted everywhere else. Some can't wait to see it to begin furious typing. So silly.

StarryNight468 · 15/07/2021 08:09

I get it OP. If your own kid sat in your chair you'd tell them to move but you feel you can't because she's not. What I've learnt with step parenting is to actually say what you think, in a nice way. I would have told my dsc to get out my chair and sit in his own chair or on the blanket that may have been brought for the dc to sit on. Don't hold those things or you end up so resentful. Your dh won't understand this as he is also a parent to your dc whereas you feel you aren't able to do that which causes more resentment.

Marmitemarinaded · 15/07/2021 08:13

How can you love a man that would move country away from his children for a new relationship?

Genuine question

I would find it so off putting.

stellaisabella · 15/07/2021 08:27

You've not listed one positive - and the things you have listed are so petty. Wow.

3peassuit · 15/07/2021 08:41

She’s 15. Teenagers are a bit lippy and self engrossed. Nothing you’ve said about her sounds particularly bad.

forfucksakenett · 15/07/2021 08:45

Your SD is understandably jealous because her father is now a father to two other wee girls who he lives full time with.

She made a snarky comment which she apologised for and you have, by your own admission, held a grudge since. Surely you know that it's you at fault here?

Maggiesfarm · 15/07/2021 08:46

Stepparent: So for someone, teenager or no, to make a comment insinuating how dare my husband appear to buy something for my kids, as if I'm mooching off of a sugardaddy, you bet, I absolutely take offense to that.
...........
You told us she was thirteen when she made that remark.

She is now fifteen and no doubt understands your financial arrangements better than she did then.

Anonymouslyposting · 15/07/2021 09:04

Everything you’ve described sounds like completely normal teenage behaviour - even without the added stress of divorce/paternal absence. You need to grow up and get over it.

Themadcatparade · 15/07/2021 09:15

Op you really need to let that comment go.

Not much advice but this sounds like a grin and bear situation. Try to understand that she is moving in to adulthood and she will have the typical teenage thoughts of ‘she’s not my mum and why is my dad spending his money on anything other than me’. Completely normal.

My mum and dad separated when I was 8 and looking back whenever one of them got another partner I was insanely jealous and a lot of distaste towards them - it’s just the way it was.

She will understand when she is older, she really will.

All I can say here is the more hostile you are towards her, the more she will want to make comments or act out etc. Raising Teens is a completely different kettle of fish than raising younger children such as your own and it comes with its own difficulties. I’m sure your two will be similar when they become that age. I’d advise to let her be her own person and brush comments off as best you can and try to accept her side of things. I’m sorry you are unhappy, it must be very difficult and I know I have it all to come with my Dps DD soon enough!

vivainsomnia · 15/07/2021 10:41

I suppose my feelings for SD15 never really recovered after that
And that's where it all started to go wrong. She made a throw away comments. Maybe because he pays little maintenance and it upset her to see him spending money on his SCs when he can't pay more for her. Or maybe it really was just a stupid comment that 15yo make because that's what they do.

You made such a drama of it, it's quite astonishing. She apologised and still you didn't forgive her and indeed, it seems that from that point, you started to focus on every negative you could come up with. It's amazing she is still happy to have any interaction with you.

It sounds like your OH is trying to show you, kindly, that you are quick to judge her on things that you wouldn't even notice with your children. You need to see your SC as she is, a child who had a hard adjustment to make, and who isn't perfect but isn't bad either. She has lost a lot whilst your kids have gained, you need to give her a break and just appreciate her for who she is, not the child you think she should be based on your own standard for your kids.

Getawaywithit · 15/07/2021 12:26

Only on this site to people whinge about the term bio mum. It's accepted everywhere else

That’s really not true. It’s accepted use is with reference to adoption.

When used in step parenting it is either used by genuine error or by a step mother intent on demonstrating exactly what she thinks of mum.

SpaceshiptoMars · 15/07/2021 12:48

OP, for some reason, whenever a new SM posts here in desperation, loads of non step mums jump in and give her a kicking.

You are allowed to have a rant, and people should be understanding that you've had to bottle stuff up for years. Just because it comes out as a long, negative flow doesn't mean that that is all you are and think - just that you are at your wit's end with it.

Lots of stepmums try to do it all and get everything right, because there is sooooo much judgement out there. There are no rules, we all have to flex and work it out for ourselves - each situation is so different.

It may help to put some of your woes into context if you do a quick search on Mumsnet - use keywords 'my teenage daughter' on the thread titles. You'll see that many mums, let alone stepmums, go through purgatory with theirs. Times have changed and very different standards are now prevalent. Children have acquired massively different views on their entitlements and rights to what you perhaps grew up with.

thelastgoldeneagle · 15/07/2021 12:54

Bloody hell. So one day two years ago your SD said something thoughtless, and you still haven't got over it? That's mad.

And why do you feel like you can't parent her in your own home? You can. She's old enough for chores: make a list of the things she should be doing, eg making her bed, cooking tea, loading dishwasher - when she's with you. You and her dad need to show a united front.

One day your DDs will be just the same!!

thelastgoldeneagle · 15/07/2021 12:55

And your h moved 1500 miles to be near you just when you'd started dating?? Wow. His poor kids. No wonder sd feels upset. Can you try thinking about things from her point of view?

Glitterspy · 15/07/2021 13:34

Just to add I do think you are being negative, and not a caring parent figure in this girls life.

All teenagers make ugly comments. You are the adult, you need to act like it. She isn’t going anywhere and you need to be more supportive otherwise the issues will escalate.

Just to add I think she was right to say nobody, particularly not small children, need popcorn, a sugary drink, sweets and an ice lolly at the cinema. Carrying a folding chair for half a mile isn’t a chore and shouldn’t have been worth arguing about. You sound extremely petty.

Magda72 · 15/07/2021 16:25

@Stepparent1234 I second what @SpaceshiptoMars has said to you - that's great advice.
I'd add that you have two issues to deal with imo.

  1. a sd who is dealing with separation from her dad. And,
  2. a teenage girl who is being parented very differently from the way you parent. I too am a strict (but fair) parent & I find some behaviours & expectations of modern teens torturous. I had a pretty easy time with my boys (now 24 & 19) but am finding my 15 yr old dd infinitely more difficult & a lot of this is down to teens having very high expectations of how they believe they should be treated & what their rights are. They are growing up with 'woke culture' which is no bad thing however it does mean that for a lot of them everything is a 'campaign' including how they feel they should be treated - by everyone! For me most weeks are a balancing act between parenting my way & letting my dd exercise her autonomy. I guarantee you that you will encounter the same issues with your dds that you're having with dsd even though you may think you won't. In her defence your dsd really does not sound that bad for a teen girl & honestly I recommend you research parenting teens a bit. They really are a breed apart & would challenge a saint's patience.
Nonose · 15/07/2021 17:34

@Stepparent1234 I don't think anyone need make unnecessary digs at you to be honest when you are looking for help. You are just recounting your experience - good or bad.

Step-parenting is hard and dealing with children who are not yours is hard. Yes, when you marry you accept those children as part of your new partners life and you absolutely have a duty to be polite to them but I don't think any of us really realise the ins and outs of the day to day and what it will be like years down the line and how hard it can actually be. And sometimes, unfortunately, there is not a natural connection just as there is not a natural connection with every person you meet.

I agree that you have to let go of things that happen in the past - or to be honest, it just makes life very difficult. I know from my own experience that is also hard sometimes.

Teenagers are HARD work. They are hard work when they are you own and I think it's harder when they are not yours because you cannot parent in the same way and frustrations are bound to come into play.

I think some of the little comments that your DSD makes are possibly a little out of jealousy - which is understandable. Maybe try and see it from her point of view. It must be hard for your parent to be living with 2 other children who have a different father and for her father to be treating them as his own. She might be wondering where she fits in?

My younger SS I have always struggled with for one reason or another. Not everything makes sense or is logical - especially given their ages - it is just everyone trying to matter in a blended family I guess.

Anyway, it's hard. Big hugs.