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Stepparent1234 · 14/07/2021 21:05

I’m new, please forgive me if I don’t know the lingo quite yet. My husband and I have been married for 3 years now. I have 2 daughters from my previous marriage and he has 3 daughters from his previous marriage. My girls are younger; 9 and 11. His are older; two are out of the house and the youngest is 15.

Up until 5 years ago my DH and his girls lived in CO; about 1500 miles away, which is where his kids grew up. When DH and I began dating he moved to where I live in OH, so his kids stayed in CO with their biomom. They do not have a formal custody agreement; my DH is self employed so he’s fortunate enough to be able to go to CO for a week at a time every 6 to 7 weeks or so, during which time the youngest daughter spends the entire week with him, or his girls will come to us in OH and stay with us sometimes. Primarily just the youngest will come stay with us sometimes, since the older two are in college/ have their own families now. The youngest will come and stay with us for like 2 weeks over Christmas every other year, and come for a month during the summer.. I guess its to be expected that my DH’s daughter (SD15) had the toughest time I think with her parents’ divorce. And with him moving out of state. She

My kids father and I don’t have a custody agreement; he lives in the same town as us, and whenever he wants them they go to his house, but he doesn’t see them all that much and usually the longest he’ll have them is overnight; very rarely maybe 2 nights. It may average out to like 4 to 6 days a month I guess that he has them? He isn’t really a family man and he works out of town sometimes so that is a factor as well as to why he doesn’t see them that much.

So, while my kids’ bio dad isn’t ‘out of the picture’ so to speak, their stepfather, my DH, pretty much serves as their dad.

SD15 just left here after spending the month with us in OH and we’ll be seeing her again in about 2 weeks when DH and my kids and I go to CO for a one week visit.

I feel awful but I’m to the point where I just don’t even want to be around her. I’d like to get some unbiased advice maybe. I just find her rude, lazy, dramatic, selfish, just overall unlikeable. Is it me??

I think it started 2 years ago; SD15 was 13 and up until that point I really didn’t have a problem. We didn’t spend a ton of time together, but when we did it was fine, we got along, no big deal. But one day 2 years ago when she was staying with us in OH, we went to the store, did a little shopping, and she made a nasty comment in front of me, and my DH, and my kids, regarding DH paying for everything. Took me a second but I realized she was upset at the fact that DH was pulling out HIS debit card even though there were things there for MY kids. My daughters were pretty young at that point, 7 and 9, so they didn’t know at all what she’d said or what it meant or anything. But I did. DH knew I was furious; I didn’t say anything but we drove home and he did go and speak with SD15 in private to tell her she shouldn’t have said that, and that me and him are married and so our money isn’t separate yada yada. She did apologize to me; at her father’s urging of course but she did sound apologetic and was polite.

My daughters, especially my 11 year old (then 9 year old at that first incident) positively adore SD15. They are beyond excited when they know they’re going to see her – my 11 YO gets everything ready for her, makes sure her room is perfect, plans activities. So to hear SD15 basically put down my daughters like that and be just outraged that her daddy was spending money on them, got me to my core. I’ve worked since I was 15 years old; I’ve been at my current company for 16 years and have worked my way up to the top. Although there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, I have never stayed home – like SD15’s mom did for all of her life – and I am extremely proud of my career and my work ethic. I do not ask for handouts nor ask anyone to support me or my kids. I never did speak to SD15 directly about this incident; when I’d go through the possible conversation in my head after it happened it always led to me explaining to her how I work very hard, I have worked all my life, I do provide for my kids. And then I’d realize I was preparing to f&$king explain myself to a 13 YO. Not going to happen. My DH did concede that it was rude, she should never have said it but he would add that she was just a kid, sometimes kids say stuff. He’d say ‘You don’t think your kids have ever said anything that hurt my feelings? But they’re just kids’. Which, at the time my girls were 7 and 9, so not quite sure what they would have ever said up to that point that would be so condescending and ugly. But OK.

I suppose my feelings for SD15 never really recovered after that. I had to watch my 9 YO/ 10 YO just adore SD15, follow her around like a puppy, all the while I had the knowledge that SD15 had put them (and me) down the way she did (I will say SD15 has never said anything nasty directly to my daughters or treated them badly or anything; other than minor step sister type things.) And my feelings get worse every year as does the strain on my marriage.

My DH and I’s situations are so different, I think that may be a big part of the struggle for him and I? He is raising my two kids with me; of course he disciplines them and corrects them and guides them. And I won’t lie it was difficult at first for him to discipline them; I wasn’t used to that and my first instinct at times was to defend them. But I learned to accept it, and work with him as best I can to raise my girls together. And I think it goes pretty well for the most part. I’m probably a little more strict on them than he is – I want to raise kind, generous, polite, helpful kids. When they’re wrong or being drama queens I have absolutely no problem setting them straight! When they’re being sassy or lazy I put them in their place and tell them what’s what.

This isn’t the case with SD15. I am not helping to raise her, I’m barely in a ‘mother’ role at all. Which is fine with me, she has a mother, but this means I have no disciplinary power, and I cannot talk to her/ set her straight like I talk to/ correct my own kids. So I’ve been just bottling up what I feel; trying to get through our time with her as best I can – sometimes that’s by just working late when I can, sometimes by trying to avoid her in the house, and usually by just keeping my thoughts to myself, etc. Its just gotten so bad this time; she just left yesterday after spending a little over 3 weeks with us and I quite literally cannot believe how long those 3 weeks felt. Me and DH dang near got divorced by the end of it. Its making me very sad – she is my family – she is DH’s daughter, she’s my kids’ stepsister. What is wrong with me? I have started, over the past few days, to speak out to DH. He does try to listen to me, I can tell, and try to understand. For the most part he’s pretty defensive though. Again with ‘she’s just a kid’ and kind of comparing her to my kids, as in ‘your kids say stuff and do stuff sometimes too, they’re just kids’. I want to scream ‘She isn’t a little child for God’s sake! She’s a 15 year old with a nose ring!!’ He has never been mean, or nasty to me, he is a wonderful, kind, caring man who loves me dearly. And I do believe he tries to understand. But I have a feeling its just extremely difficult to see your bio children in the same light as someone who isn’t related to them. Is it just me??? Here are examples from the past few weeks of what has really gotten to me (most of them, on their own, are nothing. But day after day of shut like this, it just wears on me.)

We go to a neighborhood function one evening – the event is at the back of the neighborhood so we must walk about ½ mile to a mile. DH and I each carry a folding chair on our back, my youngest daughter carries her own little chair, and my 11 YO and SD15 do not carry anything. We get to the event, DH and I each set up our chair, I set my phone down and put my drink in the chair’s cupholder then walk my youngest daughter over to her friend sitting nearby. I come back a minute later and SD15 has moved my phone and my drink over and is sitting in the chair, engrossed in her phone, doesn’t look up. DH must have seen my face, he smiles and says Oh you can just sit in my chair 😊 But I went to this function to be with my DH so we both end up standing the whole time, SD15 never looks up from her phone. My two kids were off playing the whole time, never sat down. Course once the evening is wrapping up I make a joke “I’m not carrying that chair back lol!” and DH isn’t happy he says ‘Its just a chair, jeez, I said you could sit in my chair’. I of course end up carrying it back.

We all go to the movies. We get to the snack counter and order food & drinks and the total of course is expensive. SD15 makes a noise about it and I gave her the benefit of the doubt – I said ‘I know, right, its so expensive nowadays for the movies! This doesn’t even include the tickets!’ And SD15 says ‘Yea but they don’t need all that’ and gestures to my girls, who got popcorn and a drink just like SD15 but also got a candy and one of them got an icee too.

SD15 does not do her own laundry at our house, does not wash dishes, does not take the trash from out of her room. Now my youngest is 9 and doesn’t do a whole lot around the house. But my 11 YO does her own laundry and cleans her room, takes out her trash, and does often offer to pitch in, whether its putting up the groceries, picking up in the living room, etc.

I don’t do well with negativity and complaining. Yes of course my two kids complain at times, sometimes a lot. Me and DH have no problem telling them ‘Hey, chill out OK. Calm down.’ About 60% of what SD15 says is negative and/or complaining. I will say, my DH can also tend to get too negative for my taste at times, and from what I know of SD15’s BM , she is an extremely negative ‘play the victim’ type of person. So I’m certain that SD15 is only mimicking what she’s been around her whole life. But its so frustrating, and within a week of her being with us I can tell my daughters are picking up that negative attitude.

SD15 says (has been saying since I’ve known her) that she has an allergy to something. DH explained to me once before that they’d taken SD15 to an allergy doctor when she was young and she had a slight reaction to this item. SD15 brings it up at least once each time she’s with us. We recently had kind of a dramatic moment while out in public due to even the possibility of this alleged allergy – nothing major, granted, but pretty embarrassing. I’ve never seen SD15 show any hint of an allergic reaction and DH has told me before that the biomom is the one who really played this up, and that SD15 has likely grown out of any allergy she may have once had to this item, and but now BM has SD15 believing she’s in ‘danger’ at times when its just absolutely ridiculous. But he wouldn’t dare to ever call SD15 on it, or anything else completely dramatic that she does or says.

The overall rudeness gets to me. SD15 will interrupt a conversation, no problem, and begin talking over me, or over DH if he’s the one talking to me. DH has never said a word.

A few days ago DH and I were discussing something, SD15 was within ear shot. I won’t get into details but it was regarding Covid, specifically how pleased we were how OH handled a certain thing; we praised the OH governor, etc. SD15 happens to be of the opposite mind from us when it comes to some Covid mandates and points of view, including this one that we were talking about. Anyway DH and I are talking about how OH handles this issue, and SD15 looks up from her phone and says from nearby ‘Dad – you know that OH is 44th on the education scale? Do you know what CO is? 6th’. That was it, no one responded. I guess that was something she looked up so that could proclaim what uneducated hicks we are in our area? Not sure. DH certainly didn’t say anything back to her.

This was extremely long, wow. Anyway, those are just a few instances of when I’ve really had to bite my tongue these last few weeks. Maybe these are very minor things and I need to get a grip. Maybe this is all normal behavior and my kids do all of this too but I don’t get mad when they do it. I don’t know. I’d love to get an opinion from anyone else maybe in a similar situation, or who has been in a similar situation! Thanks for reading..

OP posts:
Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 14/07/2021 22:18

That massive big long post over something a young girl said 2 years ago, when she was 13?!
Honestly get over it. You sound completely pathetic.

Holly60 · 14/07/2021 22:30

I don’t think you should ignore the comments that upset you, I think either you or your DH should talk to her. As you said, she did apologise so you should really just accept that and move on.

If she says something else that hurts you, talk it through. Don’t look for trouble, she is your family now so it is in your best interests to make it work.

CatOfTheLand · 14/07/2021 22:35

Your stepdaughter hasn't done anything wrong.

You're using one fairly mild (and truthful ) comment made by a 13-year-old two years ago to justify this hate campaign against her.

You sound grabby, petty and jealous. It's clear that you want your husband to yourself so that he can concentrate fully on parenting your daughters.

The chair story is bizarre. Your wayward teen story is she sat in your chair so you threw a tantrum and 'jokingly' refused to carry it back? Confused

The poor girl

Pebbledashery · 14/07/2021 22:38

God. Its not bio mum. It's just mum. You're step mum she's mum. Simple as.
If you can't accept her then your relationship will never work.

Fullofglee · 14/07/2021 22:47

I'm waiting for the deletion message. Always the same step mom fresh on the scene takes dislike to step daughter for no real reason.

saraclara · 14/07/2021 22:48

a 13 year old said or repeated a fairly mean thing that she probably heard from her mother and an adult woman can't forgive her for it.

You need to reset your attitude.

That. I'm not a step mum but I often defend them on MN as they tend to get a rough ride. But seriously, a 13 year old says something really mild in the scheme of things that teenagers say, and you've not forgiven her and treat her differently for two years because of it? I'm sorry, but you're the immature one here. You've taken massive offence and have been dwelling on this to a ridiculous degree.

A 13 year old now living 1500 miles away from her dad, who was the one who left, is bound to be a bit jealous of the kids who get to live with him all the time. If that's the worst way she's reacted, then she's a really good kid. Most would be far worse at that age.

It seems as though you have no empathy for her at all. How do you think your own kids would feel if you left them to live that far away, with other kids that were no relation to you (and had to watch you buying them treats)

Stepparent1234 · 14/07/2021 22:57

Her parents divorced and both moved away from the town where the kids were (mostly) brought up. No DH did not follow them, he returned to his home state. That doesn't make him a bad man, or a bad father. Nor does remarrying and having stepkids.

Yes, SD15 is a teenager, and she gets a lot of her attitude, and her opinions from her mother, no doubt.

Regardless of the situation though (and to be clear, having divorced parents, while difficult, is hardly at the top of the traumatic life story list, give me a break) it isn't a free pass to be bratty and ugly to others. I was raised to be polite, nice to others, and you better believe my mother was not taking crap from me and letting me do whatever I wanted.

I am very proud to work and provide for me and my kids. I purchase their clothing, pay for their healthcare, pay for their extracurricular activities, pay half the mortgage and utilities and credit card bill each month and provide for them overall, and I always have.
So for someone, teenager or no, to make a comment insinuating how dare my husband appear to buy something for my kids, as if I'm mooching off of a sugardaddy, you bet, I absolutely take offense to that.
I'm not going into financial specifics; SD15 is very well taken care of lol. She's fortunate, she has more than most kids do. Would she prefer to have her daddy's money all to herself? Yes I'm sure she would. Although -- while she was here she did say her mom's new boyfriend is rich; they're thinking of moving to California apparently.. So... There's that...

OK I'm getting a little cheeky and sarcastic now, its hard not to with the ridiculous responses lol .. I'll sign off; this ain't the place for constructive feedback and actual advice, got it :p)

OP posts:
Fullofglee · 14/07/2021 23:02

Christ your worse with the update she's a child your an adult she made an off the cuff remark once. Grow up. Stop attacking her mother you sound bitter and jealous.

saraclara · 14/07/2021 23:07

Jeeze. That poor girl.

excelledyourself · 14/07/2021 23:12

I am very proud to work and provide for me and my kids. I purchase their clothing, pay for their healthcare, pay for their extracurricular activities, pay half the mortgage and utilities and credit card bill each month and provide for them overall, and I always have.
So for someone, teenager or no, to make a comment insinuating how dare my husband appear to buy something for my kids, as if I'm mooching off of a sugardaddy, you bet, I absolutely take offense to that.
I'm not going into financial specifics; SD15 is very well taken care of lol. She's fortunate, she has more than most kids do. Would she prefer to have her daddy's money all to herself? Yes I'm sure she would. Although -- while she was here she did say her mom's new boyfriend is rich; they're thinking of moving to California apparently.. So... There's that...

You said yourself that her apology, at 13 years old, sounded sincere and polite, yet two years later you're still holding a grudge and at great pains to justify it.

Do you not see how ridiculous that is?

CP191989 · 14/07/2021 23:15

I would imagine it’s very hard seeing her dad be a full time father to two girls and not her. You need to be the adult rise above the comment as it’s too late to bring that back up now she probably doesn’t even remember.
My step sons are 19 and 16 the older with learning difficulties so isn’t your average 19 year old.
Me and their father have just had a baby and however happy they were you could tell they find it hard he gets dad 24/7.
Learn from your experience and reach out to her. Also remember what it’s like being 13.

CP191989 · 14/07/2021 23:18

13 at the time of comment

lunar1 · 14/07/2021 23:51

Your own children will probably say some crappy things at 13 too, will you refuse to ever to forgive them as well?

Shadedog · 15/07/2021 00:06

So for someone, teenager or no, to make a comment insinuating how dare my husband appear to buy something for my kids, as if I'm mooching off of a sugardaddy, you bet, I absolutely take offense to that

That’s your problem right there. You don’t have the self confidence, or the confidence in your relationship, to not take offence at a throwaway (and true!) remark made 2 years ago by a 13yo. Loads of your post is ranting on about discipline and respect and correcting people. It absolutely kills you that someone who is A- a child, and B- looked down upon by you, doesn’t respect you enough to keep her lip buttoned about things which embarrass you such as looking “kept” or looking like you have been educated in a state with crap education or having greedy kids. You hate the mirror bearer, but it’s not the mirror bearers fault.

SD1978 · 15/07/2021 00:09

None of what you've said sound like that huge a deal, it almost seems like you're looking for reasons to reinforce a negative attitude towards her based on one incident two years ago you've not gotten past. She doesn't sound like she does much worse than your kids- regarding the chair (two of them didn't carry them) and the expectation that at an ever she knows none a 15 year old would go 'play' is ridiculous- she should have brought/ gotten a chair. You're looking for reasons to be critical if a kid who spends not a whole lot of time with you, and her to act the same way as kids who spend 100% if their time basically with you- that's tough and unrealistic. Your kids did get and asked for more food, and your other examples are really minor things. You need to take a step back and maybe look at your own actions towards her

bogoffmda · 15/07/2021 00:18

The girl is jealous - she sees her Dad buy things for your kids more than he does things for her. He sees them more than she does and she obviously loves her Dad otherwise she would not come all the way to see him.

Not everyone is happy in a divorce and for some people it is not the best.

You have a jealous teen who like all teens can say rude horrible things and be moody, in extremley trying circumstances.

You do not sound empathetic in anyway shape or form - everyone has moved on her siblings, her mother, her father and she is stuck shuttling here and there with no one but herself and by people who really dont want her aorund. Bet she hears Dad on the phone when he is in Colorado saying - miss you, can't wait to come home et cetc

Poor girl

Fiercestcalm · 15/07/2021 00:21

I never usually comment on these threads and am an advocate of stricter parenting but

1 holding grudges over an off the cuff comment 2 years ago comes across as very immature
2 divorce and re marriage ARE very difficult for children and you do need to be more accommodating and it takes years not months
3 I would imagine the vibes you give off are very negative and she will pick up on them
4 I think family counselling would be a very good idea along with therapy for you and discussions about how to be kinder to your step daughter.

Her comments and behaviour are incredibly mild/ usual requiring simple and calm discussion and correction. Regarding the chair issue thing your husband tried to diffuse the situation. At least she has a warm welcome from your children, this speaks volumes.

I’m rarely concerned by posts but your attitude/ continued resentment/ inability to move on regarding your step daughter is deeply troubling. This is from someone who does not think all step children need to be treated with kid gloves in a plate glass case!

Mintjulia · 15/07/2021 00:33

Op, she's a teenager dealing with hormones, two homes, and competition for her dad. I know they can be infuriating but you need to let it just wash over you unless she is doing anything spiteful or dangerous to you dcs.
She'll turn into a perfectly valid human being in about 4 years time.
I hope offloading all of that helped. Now, deep breath, gin & tonic and firm smile. You can be the bigger person x

SandyY2K · 15/07/2021 00:36

I think you need to let the hate go. Your opening post was really long...but I got that your annoyance was the comment about your DH paying for stuff for your kids.

Her dad spoke to her about...so let it go. She doesn't sound like a bad kid.

Again with ‘she’s just a kid’ and kind of comparing her to my kids, as in ‘your kids say stuff and do stuff sometimes too, they’re just kids’.

I want to scream ‘She isn’t a little child for God’s sake! She’s a 15 year old with a nose ring!!’*

He's right though and I would imagine he has more if it fun your kids, as they're with you full time.

...Plus what does the nose ring have to do with it? It just seems to cement your dislike for her.

He has never been mean, or nasty to me, he is a wonderful, kind, caring man who loves me dearly. And I do believe he tries to understand. But I have a feeling its just extremely difficult to see your bio children in the same light as someone who isn’t related to them
I think this applies to all parents really...to you and to him.

Cut SD some slack in that she doesn't see her dad much...just because divorce is so common, doesn't make it easier on kids.

Just try and open your heart to get and remember she's a kid...

gigglybum · 15/07/2021 00:42

I have never stayed home – like SD15’s mom did for all of her life – and I am extremely proud of my career and my work ethic.

Just because you went to work doesn't make her biological mums decision not to result in her being less than you!

Your SD has literally done nothing wrong other than being a normal teenager. Yes they're annoying. Just wait until your two grow up .

You sound jealous and nasty tbh, I'm not saying you are those things and I'm also a step mum and know how hard it is and how step parenting can bring out the worst in us... HOWEVER... your dh is step parenting too and sounds like he's treating your girls with respect and the fact he's living with them makes it even more of a feat

You need to be kinder and stop being so defensive... she's an opinionated teen, you just have to get over it and be a grown up.

Your dh sounds like a nice guy tbh and I feel sorry for him and his daughter.

So what if she goes on about an allergy. It's not hurting you.

Anyway... always choose kindness

Kanaloa · 15/07/2021 00:46

So a child your husband sees every 6 weeks and you see in the holidays occasionally was rude to you two years ago?

It all sounds a bit daft. And as for ‘wants all her daddy’s money to herself’ I don’t see where that’s happened, other than her making a snarky comment at the cinema. Did she say why are you spending so much money that’s my inheritance and I’ve got a bmw earmarked? I don’t think she did, so it had nothing to do with her wanting her dad’s money.

Realistically you barely see this child so it isn’t affecting you massively.

Kanaloa · 15/07/2021 00:48

And the reason ‘biomother’ isn’t correct in this situation is because it is usually used to refer to the biological mother if they aren’t able to raise the child. This child’s mother is raising her with minimal input from her father.

gigglybum · 15/07/2021 00:54

it had become an extremely toxic environment

And now you're creating another toxic environment for her

it isn't a free pass to be bratty and ugly to others*.

All she did was sit in an empty chair and wondering why her dad was spending on other kids that aren't his... normal for a teen whose life has been turned upside down. And by your own admission she hasn't said anything bad to or about your two kids and they idolise her... so she can't be that ugly to others

So for someone, teenager or no, to make a comment insinuating how dare my husband appear to buy something for my kids, as if I'm mooching off of a sugardaddy, you bet, I absolutely take offense to that.

You what? She's 13... she probably doesn't know the concept of sugar daddies ffs

Would she prefer to have her daddy's money all to herself? Yes I'm sure she would.

So she wants the same thing you want... his money all to yourself and your dds? His daughter deserves it more than your two do and newsflash... he would probably rather spend on her out of all of you

gigglybum · 15/07/2021 00:54

@Shadedog

So for someone, teenager or no, to make a comment insinuating how dare my husband appear to buy something for my kids, as if I'm mooching off of a sugardaddy, you bet, I absolutely take offense to that

That’s your problem right there. You don’t have the self confidence, or the confidence in your relationship, to not take offence at a throwaway (and true!) remark made 2 years ago by a 13yo. Loads of your post is ranting on about discipline and respect and correcting people. It absolutely kills you that someone who is A- a child, and B- looked down upon by you, doesn’t respect you enough to keep her lip buttoned about things which embarrass you such as looking “kept” or looking like you have been educated in a state with crap education or having greedy kids. You hate the mirror bearer, but it’s not the mirror bearers fault.

Omg... this a million times over!!
Newcastleteacake · 15/07/2021 01:02

Forgive me if I missed where you've said it but have you tried to have a conversation with SD about any of this?

I have a SD. Arrived in her life when she was 10 and she is now mid 20's. She was a nightmare teenager. But we got through it with an incredibly close bond because I worked at the relationship. Both with her and her mum.