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It's not getting any better

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Sillysandy · 08/04/2021 15:56

This will probably be long. I would really appreciate some advice.

To start; I hold my hands up and admit I made some naive decisions.

I met my partner four years ago. He has three children and had been broken up with their mother for two years. We moved in together very quickly, more for logistical reasons than anything else. The children (teens) had no opportunity to get to know me nor me then.

We muddled along quite well for a while. Despite me not having children of my own I think I have a lot of empathy and patience. But we had not planned adequately and were trying to figure out things along the way. I never felt like a stepmum, just dad's girlfriend (which I was) and that was fine. The kids liked me even if they didn't like the situation.

His children are not easy and the breakup with their mother was appallingly acrimonious. I felt I played mediator a lot and felt worn out with it. His eldest two are now NC with him. He has tried therapy with them and got nowhere. They believe a lot of stuff which isn't true (I can say firsthand) and then there is a complicated emotional overhang from the marital breakup which I have lots of opinions on but I didn't know them then so it's purely speculation on my part.

He and I have a child of our own now. His youngest (she is now 14) does talk and visit but is very demanding, very rude and very self entitled.

I know life is not perfect for her but we truly try our best to give her a secure home, space of her own, time with her dad, sensitivity around the arrival of a new 'youngest'. I get it's been hard. I don't expect it to be all sunshine and rainbows.

But, it's not getting any better. She is horrible to our daughter, her sister. It's nearly three years now since the baby was born and she hasn't warmed to her at all. We cannot leave them alone at all as my DSD would not pick her up if she fell or communicate with her at all. Even leaving the room briefly I've overheard very harsh tellings off, stealing her baby sister's food. If I ever say something like "help her onto the seat, she's slipping" she will calmly remind me it was my choice to have a child and if I wasn't prepared to take responsibility for her I shouldn't have had her. I find this unusual wording for a teen and like she is repeating another adult's words.

My daughter adores her big sister, follows her around and if she got a hug (it has never ever happened) she would probably explode with excitement. I do insist my DSD says hello back to her but that is as far as it goes. She openly insults her. Thankfully as this stage my daughter doesn't seem too bothered but I've noticed she is getting shy about approaching her and will whisper to me to go and see her sister with her. My DSD never held her as a baby except when instructed to by her father and would hold her out away from her body in protest.

I really don't know what to do. I'm not sure what I'm looking for here. I've tried to talk to her. She simply says "it's fine" and shuts down.

The sad reality is I know I'm the adult in this situation but it is so hard to rise above it. I find it hard not to dislike her. She is very demanding, opinionated, critical in general and I find myself snapping at her or engaging in arguments which is frankly pathetic. I know she's young, I know she's trying to find her place in the new setup, I know she's been let down by adults and keen to protect herself.

I am just struggling so much. I'm so tired. I've been critically ill for a year and am in recovery but it's a long slow road. I buried a parent last year. His family are religious and traditional and do not approve of his second family so treat me like a second class citizen. None of his children or family sent me condolences or a get well message. Plus I feel like I put so much into the initial arrangement when all three stepkids were here and got horrendous abuse and treatment that I just wanna prioritise myself and my daughter now.

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Sillysandy · 08/04/2021 16:33

Sorry I just realised my rambling message was quite unclear.

First - it's five years since we met, not four.

Secondly it looks like I'm speaking about my parent's family being traditional and not approving of me. It is my partner's family.

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LatentPhase · 08/04/2021 16:49

Where is your DP in all this?

What I get from your post is that you sound completely alone, exhausted and unsupported.

Who supports the DSD with all this?

More importantly - who supports you?

TheMayQueen · 08/04/2021 17:03

Unfortunately you can't force DSD to be interested in DD. I wouldn't force the issue. It's likely to just make her more objectionable.

Crosstrainer · 08/04/2021 17:07

I agree with @TheMayQueen - you can’t force DSD to be interested. So I’d step away. Be polite and welcoming to DSD when she comes, but make your own plans for you and your DD.

Sillysandy · 08/04/2021 17:09

@TheMayQueen

Unfortunately you can't force DSD to be interested in DD. I wouldn't force the issue. It's likely to just make her more objectionable.
Yes. I agree. So while this is disappointing I have accepted it. But it is hard to watch her be mean to her. My daughter is trying to communicate with her now.

I hate the unkind feelings that are developing within me.

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Sillysandy · 08/04/2021 17:14

@LatentPhase

Where is your DP in all this?

What I get from your post is that you sound completely alone, exhausted and unsupported.

Who supports the DSD with all this?

More importantly - who supports you?

So this is probably where I was coming from when I said I made unwise decisions. We moved in really fast. I didn't know his kids at. I barely knew him. I had no idea about his parenting style.

It would not be my style. They all fight a lot. He is very strict in one way yet panders to manipulation in another way. I won't and this has obviously upset the apple cart. He and I are mostly on the same page now with regard to our own daughter but I find myself quietly seething a lot when DSD is around.

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Aprilshowersandhail · 08/04/2021 17:17

No way would my toddler be allowed to feel like they didn't exist..
I would have been gone years ago.
I gave my dc a half sibling (never ever anything less than sibling just for facts), ds is totally adored and loved.. Your dh is failing both dc...

Sillysandy · 08/04/2021 17:17

@Crosstrainer

I agree with *@TheMayQueen* - you can’t force DSD to be interested. So I’d step away. Be polite and welcoming to DSD when she comes, but make your own plans for you and your DD.
This is sort of what has happened naturally. It means though that i am not getting any time to myself the time she's here (EOW and a night or two midweek every week). My DP is a very hands-on dad so we would always take turns and give each other breaks for exercise (or in my case rest recently) but because DSD won't tolerate her sister, she will only agree to come if they are spending most of the day alone.
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Sillysandy · 08/04/2021 17:20

@Aprilshowersandhail

No way would my toddler be allowed to feel like they didn't exist.. I would have been gone years ago. I gave my dc a half sibling (never ever anything less than sibling just for facts), ds is totally adored and loved.. Your dh is failing both dc...
He tries though. We have tried various approaches - ignore it completely, be light-hearted about it, tell her out straight to answer her sister and acknowledge her, give her specific instructions such as take her by the hand... But none of them work and she seems to be repeating somebody else's words (that's what it sounds like anyway iykwim).
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HeartsAndClubs · 08/04/2021 17:22

The reality is that you moved into and then had a child in an already disfunctional family.

Obviously no-one knows the details, but for two of your partner’s children to be NC with him he must have done some fairly serious stuff which has led them to this point.

In terms of the DSD, a woman who she didn’t even know moved in with her dad, presumably he never prepared her for this and suddenly there you were as a done deal, and then you went and had a baby which she presumably sees as having replaced her. it would be unrealistic to expect her to want to have anything to do with your DD, and your DH wanting her to hold her when she was a baby etc sounds as if he was desperate to force the issue and the sibling bond which just wasn’t there.

My honest view is that this won’t get better, and that in several years time you’ll be in the same place with a child who wants nothing to do with their father.

I would genuinely consider whether it’s wise to stay in this relationship. Not only are you faced with the stress of being in the middle between the kids and their dad, but your DD is going to grow up knowing that she has siblings who don’t even want to see her dad, and a sibling who wants nothing to do with her even when she’s around. That can only be damaging to a child.

I know that splitting is never easy, but this is honestly what I would consider. And whatever you do, don’t have any more children with this man.

sassbott · 08/04/2021 17:22

@Sillysandy what is it you’re asking on this thread? Or are you just venting / offloading.

I mean (bluntly speaking) it sounds pretty horrific. Both for you and your child. What is it you’re asking for here? Advice on how to manage it? Improve it? What exactly?

GrumpyHoonMain · 08/04/2021 17:28

I agree yout DP must have done awful things in the past for 2/3 of his kids to want no contact. I personally wouldn’t force the issue with the 14 yo - she clearly isn’t ready for a relationship with you and her half sister yet so don’t give her the opportunity to reject her. Just do your own thing and let her dad deal with her.

Thisgirlcando · 08/04/2021 17:31

This has made me really cross. She doesn’t have to be happy with the situation but it doesn’t need to bully a 3 year old child. You can’t force a relationship but I do think she needs to be pulled up every time she is unkind. Your daughter will be learning to accept people being mean to her as being acceptable if she doesn’t see consequences.

Can you speak to DP about a joint approach to her behaviour?

Pleaseaddcaffine · 08/04/2021 17:34

Op sod the relationships. You need to protect your child.
No one would treat my ds like that in his own home, it isn't acceptable and they will notice and it will impact them as they grown.
Teenagers are perfectly able to understand rules and Consequences for bad behaviour

Crosstrainer · 08/04/2021 17:37

because DSD won't tolerate her sister, she will only agree to come if they are spending most of the day alone.

In that case, I think you need to get on with it to make the best of it for your DD; your DH can take the reins more on the days when he isn’t with DSD. As a pp said, you can’t have your little girl feeling awful in her own home. You can’t force interest, but your DH should insist on politeness. Be polite to DSD, but disengage.

Sillysandy · 08/04/2021 17:49

[quote sassbott]@Sillysandy what is it you’re asking on this thread? Or are you just venting / offloading.

I mean (bluntly speaking) it sounds pretty horrific. Both for you and your child. What is it you’re asking for here? Advice on how to manage it? Improve it? What exactly?[/quote]
I guess I am offloading. I am finding it hard to not snap at DSD so perhaps looking at some strategies here. I have just been told I need more surgery, DSD is on her way over and tbh I feel like locking myself in my bedroom till she's gone.

He wasn't horrific to the two older DCs but he is most certainly not blameless - definitely poor parenting decisions here from him and his ex. For the first year and a half the older teens were trying to insist on living with us and being nothing short of abusive to their mother (I witnessed it). I don't want to derail here. They would not have gone NC if he had not stopped giving into their demands. I have seen the correspondence, this is not me being fed rubbish.

The pp who said I have joined a dysfunctional family is correct.

I don't know what to do. I can't have anymore children in response to a pp. Our relationship is good otherwise, he is very kind and has supported me throughout my illness. I know he feels pulled and I don't know want that.

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LatentPhase · 08/04/2021 17:49

Can you stand to live like this, OP?

Because if you’ve had so much going on and need to prioritise yourself, it would be ok for you (and for your dd) to remove yourself from this relationship so that contact with dd’s dad can be separate from your dsd. So much seething and resentment and exhaustion and dysfunction. It’s ok to say enough is enough. Could you get away to somewhere? Your mum? Go think?

Themostwonderfultimeoftheyear · 08/04/2021 17:57

I am in shock at how awful the parenting of your DP is! Firstly for moving you in so soon, then for failing to ask you to move out once it became apparent that it wasn't working for his DC and then lastly having a DC with you rather than focusing all his energy on rebuilding his relationship with his older DC. He has failed all four of his children.

EveWasReframed · 08/04/2021 17:59

How are old are the older two teenagers, btw?

Aprilshowersandhail · 08/04/2021 18:14

End your relationship.. Leave it to exh to how he will manage the same amount of contact with both dd's....
What a spineless sap..

LatentPhase · 08/04/2021 18:27

Yep. Another spineless man with a whole industrial container of unaddressed baggage making you miserable and putting you and your dd in a horrible position.

It seems not uncommon. My DP is the same. He pretended to be in a position to move in with me and make a life but he is in fact held hostage (by his own fear) to his family dysfunction. His life is based on fear.

He sold you a pup and you’re now in deep.

In my case, I have moved him out of my house and refuse to see his dd any more. It’s absolutely ok to have needs. It’s absolutely ok to have boundaries.

I’m not saying yours is the same situation. Obviously as you share a child it’s not the same. I’m just saying this to illustrate that you can hold your hands up and say ‘enough’.

Witchymclovely · 08/04/2021 18:35

My SD was like this. We actually thought it was because she was upset about having a brother, turns out she’s just a really rude unpleasant girl to most people really. She’s better now but she is an adult. It did affect my son though, he did think as we did that it was him. It’s damaged his confidence but H never did deal with it very well, I feel he tried to pretend it away. He didn’t want to agree that his daughter was a bully, who wants to do that. It used to really upset me but it was one of the reasons I disengaged.

Limalama · 08/04/2021 18:37

You need to put your daughter first and end this situation or you are going to have another damaged child on your hands.

Someone needs to prioritise the child's needs in this situation and as her mother it has to be you. Doesn't matter how nice your partner is to you, this situation is damaging your daughter.

You can put a stop to the dysfunction if you choose to. Its on you.

giantwaterbottle · 08/04/2021 18:40

Please protect your little innocent daughter. Just reading that has made my heart hurt for her. Rejection from a much loved/looked up to sibling is horrendous and damaging.
If you don't want to leave your H and if he won't deal with the 14 year old then you will have to just be out abs do your own thing whenever she's around. You have to protect your baby x

AnneLovesGilbert · 08/04/2021 18:48

I couldn’t put my child through this. I know you’ve been very ill, you have my utmost sympathy for your struggles which sound terrible, and losing your parent. But your child is so young, she only has one life, and every other weekend and a couple of nights a week she’s being ignored or bullied in her own home.

All the rest of it aside, and my god what a mess, you need to do whatever you have to to protect your precious daughter from this awful, toxic, damaging dynamic.

What you’ve tried to improve the situation isn’t working, and I’m sure you’ve both tried hard, so you’re left with stopping all contact between the children for the sake of your daughter.

She’s three. That’s tiny. She hasn’t done anything to deserve this and it’s hurting her. The first few years of a child’s life set so much for the rest of it including their attachment style and how they approach future relationships. It’s essential you stop contact between them and if that means living apart then that’s what you’ve got to do.