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My adult SD is emotionally abusive, I don’t know if I want her to have a relationship with our future daughter.

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RogueLamp · 19/12/2020 08:17

I have been with my husband for 5 years, married for one and we are currently expecting our first child, a daughter.

My husband has two adult children from a previous relationship, SD26 and SS24. This relationship was emotionally and financially abusive.

He has always had a very turbulent relationship with SD, she is very emotionally abusive towards him and I believe this has been picked up from her mother. She is verbally abusive, manipulative, blackmails, uses silent treatment which can last up to six months, she is often rude and very “off” with him.

Family and friends have all witnessed this behaviour and whilst all have very strong, positive relationships with SD, also acknowledge her behaviour as deliberate and emotionally abusive.

The only time their relationship is positive is when she wants something, to boast about a recent achievement or it’s a special occasion (Christmas, birthdays etc). Any other time, she has very little interest.

Her behaviour amplifies whenever my husband does something she doesn’t like, want or when he can’t do what she asks. When she was told of our relationship, she exploded and became physically and verbally aggressive. When she found out we were getting married and had a date, she ignored him for six months. We both believe she did this as a last ditch attempt to encourage my husband to end our relationship. If he goes on holiday, she gets angry. If he doesn’t answer her calls, she gets frustrated and tells him he doesn’t care about her.

I have met her dozens of times but each time, it gets worse. The first few times I met her it was evident she was deliberately setting out to make both my husband and I uncomfortable and feel unwelcome (it was a family birthday party), she smirked, rolled her eyes and made comments whenever I did or said anything. Now, she just glares at me and ignores me. When she is interacting with my husband, she doesn’t give him eye contact, gives very blunt and offhand answers.

Recently, my husband suffered a mental breakdown. He went to therapy and has established that the relationship with his daughter is the root cause of his stress and anxiety. He has always felt not good enough, it doesn’t matter what he does, it is never enough to win the affections of his daughter and he feels responsible for her unhappiness. He has tried multiple time’s to strengthen their relationship and resolve whatever issues there are that warrant her behaviour. He has tried to speak to her on multiple occasions, asking her if anything is wrong, if he has ever done anything, why she treats him this way, asking how they can rebuild their relationship. He has even suggested family therapy as a way to mediate and improve their relationship - but whenever he talks to her, she acts coy, doesn’t acknowledge or take responsibility for her behaviour and either lies or tries to excuse her behaviour, she says she wants a healthy, enjoyable relationship and a few weeks later, returns to the abusive behaviour.

This therapy has really helped him. He is now more than ever aware of the emotional abuse and this has helped him be more prepared to dealt with it when it happens.

When we announced the pregnancy, SD once again exploded. She once again became verbally abusive and insulting both myself and my husband. She told us that she “hates” our child and would never love it, that it is no relation to her.

Growing up, I had a sister very similar to SD - she was 18 years older than me when I was born. It caused me a lot of emotional heartache from a very young age. As a child, I couldn’t understand why my sister hated me so much. As an adolescent, it was even more confusing and heartbreaking. As an adult, I began acknowledging her behaviour for what it was - emotional abuse. Witnessing her treat my parents the way she did made me angry, hurt and resentful. It took me many years to get over the fact I would never have a relationship with my sister and eventually, I cut her out of my life.

I am now having the same fears for my future daughter. I have shared these concerns with my husband and he has been incredibly supportive, whilst he wants a relationship with his daughter, he does not want this to be at the detriment to those around him. I am not sure how willing I am to subject my child to witnessing her father be treated the way he is and risk her being treated the same.

Would it be that bad if I didn’t want her to have contact or a relationship with our daughter, until she is able to make that decision by herself?

I have been able so far to manage SDs behaviour. I haven’t let it impact how I treat her, it has been easy to compartmentalise and I have hoped that one day, things will change. But now, becoming a parent for the first time, I feel more than ever that I need to start thinking objectively and potentially make some very difficult, if not irreversible decisions.

OP posts:
Emeeno1 · 19/12/2020 08:21

Be careful, you will get many replies here blaming everyone and their dog for your step-daughters emotional abuse, whilst exonerating her.

I am glad you have named it for what it is, abuse. If anyone posted here that their partner treated them in such a manner they would be resoundingly told it was abuse, but adult children? not so much.

You should protect yourself and your daughter.

WhoseThatGirl · 19/12/2020 08:22

Why do you have to have any contact with her? Just let her dad see her. She can meet the baby etc then just go very LC.

AIMD · 19/12/2020 08:28

It sounds like there is some massive history here that provides a wide context for the SDs behaviour. Having said that if she won’t do family therapy with you husband it will likely not be managed. She sounds very upset and angry.

I think in your shoes I would consider how to manage contact with her too. If the behaviour is specific to your husband I would play it by ear when they baby is born and be clear with her about what will and will not be accepted around the baby.

Sounds like a very difficult situation.

FippertyGibbett · 19/12/2020 08:28

Yes, just let her dad see her. And I’d make sure you are always there when she sees your DD. Make it minimal contact.
My DH continues to suffer at the hands of his DM. He refuses to not see her due to her age, so neither me or our DC see her anymore.

AIMD · 19/12/2020 08:29

You are absolutely right though to now allow that behaviour towards you or your husband to happen around your child.

Dollyparton3 · 19/12/2020 09:50

I could have written this myself OP. Huge sympathies from me. My SD has bullied and belittled my husband and every family member around her for years. She withholds contact all the time as "punishment" to my husband and has gone nuclear this week over something really straightforward that she needs to apologise to a family member for.

I've found a lot of comfort over the years from just totally disengaging from the madness. We've tried every other strategy possible and they all hit a dead end.

It's a really sad thing to say but when my SD goes silent on my DH for no reason he will call her every week without fail so that he's not the bad guy. I think there's a power trip that hits him in return for his loyalty to her. It's as if she enjoys causing him pain.

Start to work in a strategy to combat the mind games for you and your little family unit without needing a war or words and you'll start to feel a bit more calm about things in time.

LatentPhase · 19/12/2020 11:58

You sound really balanced and lovely and understandably concerned that your own dc will experience the confusion and turmoil you yourself went through.

Thank goodness your DH is getting to grips with things. Have you discussed it with him? Am sure you’ll be able to discuss seeing how things go and if there is an impact then stop contact?

dontdisturbmenow · 19/12/2020 13:27

Shes sounds like a troubled madam but it's very easy to blame it all on the mother when you have no idea what sort of father he was for her first 21 years before you got to be with him.

You don't need a relationship with her, your OH is a frown up and can handle his emotional issues with his daughter on his own.

Ascot whether your child should be introduced to her, just wait and see what happens when they are old enough to consider a meet up. No point in making a decision now before they are even born.

THisbackwithavengeance · 19/12/2020 13:34

I'm sure there's a back story and she sounds damaged and angry.

I wouldn't have been massively impressed if my dad had married someone close to my own age either but that sounds like water under the bridge now.

Just be polite, don't get involved,and support your DH. It doesn't sound like she wants contact with her half sibling so I wouldn't worry about that.

FoxtrotOscarPoppet · 19/12/2020 14:04

In your case OP I would go completely no contact with her and wouldn’t let her near your baby. I would even go as far as saying she’s not welcome in the house. If your DH wants to see her, it can be away from the home.

You’ve called it what it it is - abuse. Why let anyone like that anywhere near your child? Especially when you’ve been through similar upset with your own sister.

She’s an adult. She’s deciding to behave this way - no one to blame but herself.
Any decisions you do make will be for the good of you and your family. It’s an awful situation for you to be in. Flowers

LatentPhase · 19/12/2020 14:52

FWIW OP I have a DP with a petulant adult child. She has walked all over him for years. Because he let it happen. He is to blame for it. Not saying it’s all his fault, but it takes two to tango. It certainly takes two for this to go on for years.

I’m quite clear that my DP needs (if he is to consider moving in with me) to stop playing her games and potentially risk the relationship becoming NC.

This behaviour needs calling out. On both sides. But it sounds like your DH is on board and working through it, and that’s the key.

Tiredoftattler · 19/12/2020 15:02

Unfortunately, neither you nor anyone of us can know how emotionally available your husband was to your SD as she was growing up. You were not there, and it is next to impossible for outsiders , even close extended family members, to know about the emotional dynamics and emotional availability between parent and child. There is probably fault and blame to be shared by both father and daughter.

It might help if your husband and his daughter sought counseling together to work on their relationship. He may feel guilt about what he did or did not do. Obviously, she has unresolved resentment issues. Relationships are complex and often only the 2 people involved are acquainted with the intricacies that have landed them in their particular spot.

In the case of your unborn child, you can separate her from her elder sibling and ensure that there is minimal contact. The child will then be spared contact,, but she will grow up seeing that the parent (her dad) who professes to love her very much is capable of shutting off and shutting out another child to whom he once made those same professions of love and caring. She may well grow up wondering and anticipating when and what she will do that will occasion her cut off date.

Counseling with the adult child , assuming that she would be willing, might help him to avoid the same pitfalls with the next child.

As much as you are going to love your daughter, you will not be able to determine how she perceives and ultimately responds to the relationship or the lack of a relationship that her father has with his older child. If she grows up hearing negative things about her sibling and seeing her shunned in your home, you may not achieve the outcome that you expect.

In the best of all worlds, these 2 siblings may eventually develop a close and caring bond. So much of that will be up to the 2 of them.

SpongebobNoPants · 19/12/2020 15:30

I wouldn't have been massively impressed if my dad had married someone close to my own age either
You have no idea how old the OP is or her husband? He could be 46 and her 40 for all you know.

SpongebobNoPants · 19/12/2020 15:35

@Tiredoftattler did you read all of the OP? She said he has asked her to go to family counselling and she refused.

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 19/12/2020 15:45

Agreeing with the PP’s here. Your child doesn’t need to have contact with your SD and it probably isn’t advisable given the difficult dynamic between your DH and SD. As other have said, something’s caused this situation ( that you’re not aware of) and only your DH and SD can sort it out. She’s clearly not ready to do this yet, e.h., by engaging in therapy, but she might be in the future. Keep your distance in the meantime.

AnneLovesGilbert · 19/12/2020 16:33

I’m with Foxtrot who said what I was going to.

This woman is physically abusive. She shouldn’t be in your home or anywhere near your baby.

Tiredoftattler · 19/12/2020 18:52

@SpongebobNoPants:
I am not suggesting family counseling. At this point the daughter probably does not consider the OP to be a part of her family. The OP found this dynamic in place . What played no role in creating this dynamic.

I suggested counselling for the father and daughter. It is their relationship that is fractured.

If father and daughter do not mend or heal the relationship, the fallout will in someway effect the OP's child either directly or indirectly. There will be no way to shield the child from the collateral impact.
No one benefits from playing the blame game .

Obviously, they cannot force the daughter to agree to the therapy, but the fact that the daughter stays in contact with her father suggests that she wants his approval and regard on some level. The fact that she calls to boast about accomplishments may just be her way of saying " look at me, I am doing something positive."

SpongebobNoPants · 19/12/2020 18:58

I suggested counselling for the father and daughter. It is their relationship that is fractured

That’s family therapy. Family therapy does not necessarily mean all family members take part, it means it’s therapy aimed to aid family issues.
It clearly states in the OP that her husband has asked her to attend therapy with him for the purpose of repairing their relationship.
She refused.

june2007 · 19/12/2020 19:09

You can limit your contact but do not do anything that may further jeapardise your partners relationship. It is up to him if he wants a relationship.

Nymeriastark1 · 19/12/2020 19:20

@Emeeno1

Be careful, you will get many replies here blaming everyone and their dog for your step-daughters emotional abuse, whilst exonerating her.

I am glad you have named it for what it is, abuse. If anyone posted here that their partner treated them in such a manner they would be resoundingly told it was abuse, but adult children? not so much.

You should protect yourself and your daughter.

^this
Iwonder08 · 19/12/2020 22:15

OP, it can be simple. Your SD probably won't even want any contact with the child, your DH is understanding and might not push it.
You don't need to have any relationship with that girl. Let him see her alone.

Heisstillnotdivorced · 20/12/2020 11:27

Hi OP,

This is a very sad tale and similar to my own. DSD is a few years younger than yours but her behaviour is similar except worse.

Whether or not your DH contributed to it is neither here nor there, this is the situation now. I wouldn't leave her alone with the child. In my case my child is completely unaware of her older sister who wants nothing to do with her. I have photos up around the house so we can get her familiar with the notion she has a sister and what her name is. I haven't figured out yet what we will communicate to her as she gets older.

SandyY2K · 21/12/2020 10:22

I don't see any reason your DD should have any contact at all with your SD. It serves no benefit to anyone and is in fact very harmful for your DD and you

I don't think I'd even bother telling my child she had a half sibling, especially as she's so nasty.

Do you respond to her insults directed to you? Does anyone pull her up on this behaviour.
Because people like her just carry on when others don't stand up to them. If your DH puts up with it, that's on him, although I wouldn't be keen to be with him, because it's a worry he can't defend himself and that has a direct negative impact on your relationship and you.

Frankola · 24/12/2020 22:34

Sympathies op. You sound like you're trying so hard to do the best thing for all here.

I think you should put yourself and your dd first. Dont have any contact with her. And don't let her see the baby. She's basically said she doesn't want to anyway.

Let your husband deal with her and maintain contact. Please encourage him to continue his therapy too as it seems to be helping him..

Leave the ball in her court. If she amends her behaviour and wants contact in future them consider it then.

Flowerpot345 · 24/12/2020 23:26

I wouldn't have any contact with her neither would my baby.

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