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DSD too intimate with dad - how to manage?

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xartaetos · 24/06/2018 21:31

Hi, I’m new here, just realized there’s a step-parenting forum, although I’ve been reading a lot of pregnancy related posts on mumsnet I general. My SO has 2 SC, DSD just turned 11, and DSS is 18. I’m 35 weeks pregnant with our daughter, which will be my first kid. I get along really well with my SO’s kids, care about them a lot and they are both happy and excited about the new arrival. We have the kids 50% of the time so every other week.

DSD has always been close to her dad, but lately I feel it’s too intimate and touchy especially for her age. She never showed obvious jealousy signs towards me, but has had phases of getting between us, needing to be close to dad, baby talking etc. There was one particular period when we moved in together to a new house that we bought where she was taking it a bit too far: she was climbing on him and basically striding him when he was on the sofa, wanting to sit on his lap all the time etc. She got over it eventually.

Recently she started again but it’s 2 years later, and I’m worried that it will get worse when the baby arrives. Now she is constantly stroking dad’s arms and chest, kissing him all over, playing with his hair all the time. It honestly looks like more like the contact I would expect between a couple than father-daughter. Her brother is uncomfortable with that too, and my SO occasionally tells her to cut it out, but more in a ‘let me be’ sense than explaining that it’s not appropriate.

I get that she’s worried about no longer being daddy’s little princess, and I see other behavioral signs of that, but he spends time with her, we involve her in baby stuff (looking at toys, preparing the nursery, etc), she even participated in the discussion for our name choice. So how do we manage that? On the one hand how can we reassure her more and open up a conversation but also cut out the wifey behaviors? Or is this kind of intimacy normal and I should just suck it up?

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EllenJanethickerknickers · 24/06/2018 21:34

I still sat on my dad's lap when I was 20. Admittedly mostly on the arm of the chair or I'd crush him. A 9 year old cuddling up to her DF or even now she's 11 sounds completely normal to me.

MrsHappyAndMrCool · 24/06/2018 21:38

Very inappropriate

xartaetos · 24/06/2018 21:41

Sitting on his lap, giving him hugs etc I’d totally get, but she doesn’t doesn’t do that. She strokes his arms, chest, neck, caresses his hair, kisses his arms up and down and his chest and neck. That’s why it weirds me out, it’s not just the intimacy in itself, it’s more the particular form that I find a bit inappropriate.

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NorthernSpirit · 24/06/2018 21:41

Personally I don’t think it’s normal (espically the striding him) and your OH needs to set the boundaries.

I’ve had a similar challenge recently with my DSD when at 13 she literally sat on dads lap with her arms round him for over 5 hours at a family BBQ (and completely monopolised him).

The girl proberly muss s her dad (she spends limited time with him). Add to that the arrival of a new baby and she’ll be feeling unsettled. Your OH needs to spend 1-2-1 time with her and reassure her.

And personally I don’t think it’s normal that a fully grown and functioning 20 year adult women sits in her dads lap. Strange.

NorthernSpirit · 24/06/2018 21:43

I meant misses her dad.

And no, stroking him and kissing his arms and neck is not normal. She may be laying a claim. Your OH needs to set boundaries. Showing affection is normal, but that does sound inappropriate.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 24/06/2018 21:48

Agree that her dad needs to do stuff with her, which is all about her and nothing to do with the baby.

Is she changing schools now that she's 11? If so then you need to factor in that there's a lot of change happening for her.

flippinthebird · 24/06/2018 21:48

I was very very touchy feely with my dad until I left home at 25. I didn't have a mum so he gave me all the love that I didn't have from her. Lots of cuddles, deep chats, kisses, if we were watching tele together I would generally go and get on his big chair with him. he was my number 1 guy till I was about 25 and left home.

It's nice and nothing at all inappropriate about it

xartaetos · 24/06/2018 21:49

NorthenSpirit - yeah saw your post just earlier. Your situation sounds equally tricky. It’s hard because it comes from a good place - they miss their dad, they worry about how they fit in the blended family structure, and in my case the baby adds to that too. But even putting the oddness and discomfort this behavior may cause us aside, I can’t see how it’s healthy for a young girl to act like a mini wife.

I’ll definitely push my OH to spend more one to one time with her. And that’s a whole different conversation as well, because he does tend to pass her onto me for entertaining so to speak as I have similar interests with DSD (baking, crafts, board games).

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Snappedandfarted2018 · 24/06/2018 21:51

I grew up with my df and I never did this I don’t think it’s normal at this age either op.

EllenJanethickerknickers · 24/06/2018 21:54

Whatever, families are different and what's normal in one may not be in another. We were a demonstrative family and hugs and kisses were normal.

xartaetos · 24/06/2018 21:55

ADarkandStormyKnight - she is changing school but all her friends will also be going to the same school. But I can understand it’s a big change nevertheless. She seems mostly keen and excited about that though. But you are right that OH needs to do more things with her and spend quality time with her.

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LanaorAna2 · 24/06/2018 22:04

She's petrified she'll lose her dad to the new baby. You and he need to tell her together that it doesn't work like that.

Don't mention the ewww stuff. It does gross people out, you're right. I knew a girl who mounted her dad when out socially till she was an adult - memorable. Not a great way to tackle insecurity.

If she carries on, tell her people will laugh and point, that ought to be enough for her to pack it in. Then drop the subject - meantime, DH needs to peel her off when she does it.

Rocinante1 · 24/06/2018 22:04

What does he think? Have you talked about it with him and are you both in agreement that she needs some boundaries?

If he thinks so too, then when she's doing it he can tactfully put a stop to it. Like get her in a bear but and swing her around, or something. So he's still giving her affection but in a fun dad way. And then maybe he can say "want something to drink" so he can distance a bit. Then come back, give her a hug and a drink and carry on with what he was doing. He just needs to find ways to deflect gently but without upsetting her.

xartaetos · 24/06/2018 22:17

For what it’s worth my OH sees that she’s quite glued to him and that it’s a bit odd, but he doesn’t think there’s a connection to the baby or anything. He doesn’t fully see that the form of affection she is giving him has changed, unless I point it out. However I can clearly see that her brother finds it unusual and a bit disturbing, so at least that gives me some confirmation that it’s not just me suddenly being more sensitive to that, there is an actual change.

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newdaylight · 24/06/2018 22:23

I think innappropriate is a bit strong, lots of families are touchy feely. But some reassurance from her dad might be good as she may be worrying about the impact of the baby

StylishMummy · 24/06/2018 22:33

Emotional incest is a thing - if the boundaries are blurred the relationship can end up more like partners than parent/child. It's very very damaging for the child and can have absolutely awful consequences. I'd ask your partner to set up physical boundaries

Magda72 · 25/06/2018 00:55

What @StylishMummy says. Emotional abuse is a very real thing & she is laying claim on him in a very inappropriate way.
He really needs to put physical boundaries in place. Touchy feely families are one thing but stroking & kissing is NOT being touchy feely - it's invasive. Imagine the comments if an 11 year old boy was stroking & striding his mother!!!!

SandyY2K · 25/06/2018 01:38

When you said wifey behaviour...it sounds like you're jealous.

My Dsis is early 40s and occasionally sits on my Dad's lap... not for more than a minute or two though.

The kissing and stroking all seem too much, but he has to be the one to deal with it.

I think she sees she may be pushed put by a baby who her dad will see everyday...so she's 'getting in there' and doesn't want to lose her place as the baby of the family/daddy's baby girl.

Do you know if you're having a girl?

swingofthings · 25/06/2018 07:02

I know I was touchy feely with my dad too and it made my SM very uncomfortable. It wasn't in any way inappropriate. I can't exactly remember what age it stopped but I know it would have been naturally when I developed a sense of my sexuality, which indeed, in my case, was later than the average age at the time. When it stopped, it was very abruptly.

WhiteCat1704 · 25/06/2018 08:32

SDs issues with a new baby aside I would be very concerned that he is allowing this level of physical contact and is not inclined to stop it.
If he knows you AND his son find it inappropriate he is creating a very unhealthy dynamic...Does be want you to feel jealous I wonder...

Does he show you any physical affection when SD is there? If yes what happens?

Melliegrantfirstlady · 25/06/2018 08:38

Absolutely gross! My husband would never accept this level of touching from our dd.

He needs to stop this ASAP!

Cuddles, a kiss before bed yes but the rest is in appropriate.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 25/06/2018 08:45

Her father needs to be very careful and sensitive about how he stops this... anything that makes her feel that she's doing something 'wrong' could be devastating.

She's probably worried her dad will reject her when the new baby comes and any actual rejection at this point will only make her more worried.

OP said earlier that the dad often expects her to do 'stuff' with his daughter but the OP is going to be busy with the new baby so he needs to step up.

WhiteCat1704 · 25/06/2018 09:21

She's probably worried her dad will reject her when the new baby comes and any actual rejection at this point will only make her more worried.

She might be worried but allowing a 11year old sexualized version of "affection" that makes by standers feel uncomfortable is VERY VERY concerning. Normal men don't allow their daughters kissing all over, stroking their chests and playing with hair. She sounds like a lover not a daughter!

I would be concerned he let it go on that long..he has issues and by not reacting immidiately and leting this develop he is ensuring his daughter will have issues too.

Also OP said the girl has been jealous of HER in the past..so no baby..

Emotional incest is one thing but what is it's worse?

OP it's not your SD thats the problem. He is. She will only do what he allows her to do.

xartaetos · 25/06/2018 10:32

@WhiteCat she’s been a bit insecure before, particularly when we all moved in together, but it didn’t last long and adjusted to more normal affection patterns. It restarted after we announced the pregnancy so I think it does relate to the baby. It’s maybe not just that but I’m rather confident it’s a factor.

I totally agree that it’s an SO issue. SD is 11, and she is a good and caring kid, so I don’t think it’s done maliciously. I think it’s insecurity, maybe combined with not having enough 1-2-1 dad time. She isn’t trying to displace me and I spend a lot of time with her with no issue.

I started discussing with SO, he was defensive initially (unsurprisingly), going between ‘but I tell her to cut it out’ and ‘she doesn’t do that’ (which isn’t hugely consistent). Eventually he agreed that yeah she has been more clingy and showing affection in a different way and that he doesn’t particularly enjoy it but feels bad telling her to stop when she’s just being nice, which I agree with. I don’t think the solution is to push her away or tell her it’s wrong, it will just make her feel more insecure. So we now need to work to find him some positive strategies to redirect the affection and he needs to step up his game with spending some time with her on things that are interesting for her.

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xartaetos · 25/06/2018 10:38

@SandyY2K I get that it sounds like I’m jealous using that term, but what I was trying to express is that it’s a behavior that to me has an almost sexual undertone. Earlier on when she had a similar phase it did make me jealous but it was combined with other issues and i recognize that it’s an immature reaction. Now, things are different, I have my place in the family structure, and with the pregnancy my relationship with my stepkids has strengthened as well. Nevertheless, the behavior I described definitely makes me uncomfortable and gives me a similar feeling to when I see couples in public spaces being over the top intimate if that makes sense.

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