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OH's children: I am not sure how much more I can take

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Forkhandles66 · 18/01/2018 10:39

OH has two teenage boys, 15 and 18. I do not have children. I am having real trouble coping with their behaviour and desperately want to find a way through this.

I'll just list what they do and try to be as objective about it as possible to give a clear picture of what happens. They constantly complain and are rude to their DF and me. They don't eat what I prepare, turn up late and don't tell us they are not coming, then raid the cupboards for pot noodles. They won't try anything new that they haven't had before, even if it's potatoes done differently. Their moods change within minutes and they walk into rooms and snap at us. The 15 year old calls me all sorts of names (fat, brainless, stupid, idiot etc) under the guise of humour, but after a while and having it every day, the humour has gone for me. They complain we don't involve them in what we do, but they have never accepted any invite to join us in anything we do, from going round the shops in the city, days out, sport, nothing. We ask them what they would like to do and they say nothing interests them. If we see something on TV or something comes up in conversation, we try and bring them in, they scoff and say they're not interested and walk out. The other evening we were remembering something funny that used to be on TV a few years ago, we brought it up on youtube and called over the 15 year old to have a look too, he walked off and said "I'm not interested in your old rubbish".

If I ask how their day as been, they mumble. If they hear my DP and I discussing a topic, say something on the news, and I offer an opinion or speak from experience, they always try to undermine me and argue against me in a horrible way. For example, I have migraines and had one the other evening and my DP and I were discussing it, he was taking care of me. The sons rolled their eyes and asked what's wrong with me, so I told them, they rolled their eyes again and so I said "just like you, when you get migraines" (the 15 year old does). He said "I don't find them a big deal like you". Which is amusing since he has whole days in bed off school through his migraines and complains of severe pain when he does.

I have tried so hard. I get on great with children and looked forward to getting to know them when I met my DP. This has been such a disappointment, but I have tried to park it and see it for what it is, and make the best of it. But it's every day and it's grinding me down. They bring no delight to me and I now almost cower at the thought of them staying here or coming round.

Of course my DP is upset at what they do, has had soft words of encouragement, harsh words of telling them off for their stinking attitude. They just argue back and sometimes they might get better for a day, but in a flash it all changes and they're back to being rude. They have said they don't think they are being rude and they don't have to like what we like. Of course, we're not saying they have to like what we like, but they have no interest in anything at all except looking at their phones. There is no conversation, no interest in the world around them, no curiosity about anything, just personal insults, moods, arguments and they butt into discussions that are about, let's say music, that isn't what they like and criticise us and it non-stop.

I can't bear it any more. Sad

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user1486915549 · 18/01/2018 17:56

You mention “ turning up late “ and “ coming round “.
So where do they actually live ?

FitBitFanClub · 18/01/2018 18:13

Normal teenager boy behaviour

You speak for yourself! Mine are not, and never have been remotely like this! Nor are my friends' kids.

Forkhandles66 · 18/01/2018 20:42

To answer some questions without being too outing.

They both lived mostly with us, partly at their Mum's. Now the 15 year old lives mostly with us. The 18 year old mostly lives with his Mum now.
This happened after we indeed carried out the 'threat' (to use the word in a few posts) of telling the 18 year old he wouldn't be welcome here until he sorted his attitude out, after some serious and nasty acts.
By 'turning up' I just meant turning up for dinner, turning up as arranged for whatever (whether they are with us for the duration, or popping round).
Their parents split up over 5 years ago.

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TempusEejit · 18/01/2018 20:59

What are you planning on doing OP? Or just having a vent? My DSCs are ok kids but I still struggle massively, Flowers for you.

lifeandtheuniverse · 18/01/2018 22:36

I am not condoning their behaviour but the adults here have not handled the situation intelligently.

You threatened to "banish" them from their own main home - sometime in the last 4 yrs. ............. WTF.

sorry there has to be something else going on, the 15 yr old is choosing to live with you and you threaten him.

The whole situation sounds toxic and the adults in all this are responsible

negomi90 · 18/01/2018 23:49

By threatening to banish them you give them a challenge.
They continue their behaviour - either they don't get banished - they win as they know you can't follow through.
Or they get banished - in which case they get to feel vindicated that dad is an awful person who can't cope with them and doesn't love them and won't have them in the house and kicked them out.
I'm not saying they're not awful but the ultimatum to a teenage brain is a challenge and a defence mechanism - reject dad before he rejects them which you've told them is an option.

Go back to basics (toddler stuff) decide a couple of non negotiables like being polite/clean - take rejection off the cards and tell them so. Then every time they're rude challenge it, send them to their room etc (like telling a toddler not to hit - it takes a million tries but eventually they start getting it). Stop stressing about meals until the things are nicer. Offer them food, then if they come down for it great, if not let them feed themselves. Continue to love bomb and find nice things to say to them, even if they don't like it.
Get their dad to lead on it.

Biglettuce · 19/01/2018 00:52

This isn’t normal. It’s really rude. However it’s really difficult to combat. Just protect yourself and keep up your expectations of being treated well, by calling them out. Even a frank talk one to one with the kid - where you draw attention to

  • the fact you are a human being, and his attitude hurts
  • that you aren’t trying to replace his mum, that it’s awkward for you too
  • that you like stuff about him - tell him what you like
  • listen to him
  • suggest one nice thing you could do with him - pizza takeout - anything.

Then just sit back for a while. Let the words you said sink in. Worth a try!

Biglettuce · 19/01/2018 00:56

Ouch sorry just read the last post - sending older one to his mums - no!

His younger brother is caught thinking he has to be loyal to his brother and also that it’s ok to be sent from one house to the next. Just no. This sets up too many problems- avoiding the main one - people don’t get rejected or they will learn to reject back.

I don’t think you handled this well.

SnowDance · 19/01/2018 01:11

It sounds like the boys have a lot of anger built up towards you and their Dad. That needs to be dealt with first. Is there an elephant in the room that no one talks about? And anger about something that the boys have never been allowed to express? I don’t think the behaviour will change without finding out what the underlying issue they have with their dad and You is and also letting them tell you both (this probably won’t be a pretty discussion!) exactly how they feel about it

SandyY2K · 19/01/2018 01:40

It's no wonder teens are so poorly behaved if people think their behaviour is normal.

It's simply not acceptable...and as the 18 year old is an adult..if it was my DS...not even my SS... he'd have to drop the attitude or find eleswhere to live.

They are old enough to cook..if they don't let you know they're around too .. or let them eat put noodles till their hearts content.

These are the young men who grow up to be stupid men..because they've not faced consequences.

As a SM... I'd just stop engaging with them and pray they leave sharpish...no plans of Uni for the 18 year old then?

Biboundeo · 19/01/2018 01:45

Hi, I'd decide what I want first: a relationship or not. Then I'd look into Faber and Mazlish "listen so that teens talk (...)". I'd do a conflict resolution session with them both. Then agree on a plan and apply the abilities described in the book and generally in the parenting books like Gordon, F&M, Siegel related to non violent communication. Will be hard at first as so far you've used the baton technique and they might "test" scenarios to see if this new thing holds. But unless you want to scare them they won't have a home at their primary care givers (could be your goal, I don't judge, it's mega hard) it could be a good way out. You could even have a session where you define what you shared goal is in 1-3 years, you family values, how you're going to achieve it, what obstacles you might face and how you'll know how you've achieved it. All family alignment stuff. Bless you for asking, it must have been hard to even put it on paper.

MsGameandWatching · 19/01/2018 02:16

I've a 14 year old boy. He'd never behave like that. I have known three other boys from childhood into late teens and early twenties and none of them behaved like this either. I'd tell them to get out until they could behave decently. I know it's their home because of their Dad etc but you cannot live like this.

DivisionBelle · 19/01/2018 08:31

No their behaviour isn’t normal, except that it is not uncommon where terms feel disaffected, jealous or resentful. It sounds like a territory or relationship war.

I bet they know they are getting to you. I would back right off, stop trying to make things ‘nice ‘, when they are rude shrug and say, calmly firmly but not unpleasantly ‘ok, that ‘s the end of that conversation ‘ and ignore them (just get on with what you are doing, happily, not s big PA huff ignore). If they don’t eat don’t rise to it or react, just leave them to fend for themselves,

falang · 19/01/2018 08:38

I don't think that's normal teenage behaviour. That is spoilt ignorant brat behaviour. Ok the bit about not wanting to try anything new, and not being interested in things you and your oh are interested in is normal but the rudeness and name calling isn't. I'd never have put up with that from my children and they wouldn't have dared. Can't.believe your oh allows them to treat you like that.

QueenOfIce · 19/01/2018 10:08

I wrote this on a zombie thread 🙄 idiot but I still feel it's relevant.

Whilst I completely understand the 'she/he is a child' mentality some people and they are still people are unlikeable. If you don't them that's ok! Just because they are children/their parents aren't together/ is a teen and that's apparently normal behaviour' doesn't mean you have to like them or their behaviour. I really wish step parents felt able to own how they feel and not be so apologetic about disliking someone who disrespects them and is able to get away with treating another so badly. At 13 and 18 (one now an adult) they are very well aware of their actions and knowing the difference between being kind and unkind. Let's not label this type of behaviour as normal.

No one would put up with disrespect, rudeness or downright nastiness in any other walk of life so why is it is so universally expected that step parents suck it up?

What is it about the label 'step child' that gives these kids the right to be so rude?!

Forkhandles66 · 19/01/2018 13:50

lifeandtheuniverse You are being tremendously offensive and you keep stating we are doing things we aren't. You have said we don't care when we have bent over backwards to try and do the best for everyone, the boys and everyone hurt and damaged by their behaviour (which includes trying to protect the 15 year old from his 18 year old brother). We have never threatened the 15 year old with leaving the house, I don't know why you keep pretending we have.

The only toxicity here is the 18 year old. We are worried about the 15 year old who is now heading the same way (whilst simultaneously telling us he does not like the way the 18 year old 'tramples' him and is rude to everyone, including their own mother).

It's as if you just want to hate us, and cannot have it in you to recognise when children behave in incredibly nasty ways.

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BertrandRussell · 19/01/2018 13:56

“Normal teenager boy behaviour”

Not in my house it bloody isn’t!

Forkhandles66 · 19/01/2018 13:59

SnowDance
Is there an elephant in the room that no one talks about?

We've discussed this at length, because I have thought what on earth is it with these kids that they can be so rude? We can't think of anything. I got to know their DF over 5 years after their parents split, I've been warm and kind and interested in them from day 1, we have 'love bombed' (great phrase which some of you have used) them in the face of terrible behaviour, the 18 year old behaved worse and worse for months and was disciplined, he got worse with an attitude that he's an adult, we can't do anything now, then he did some incredibly awful things which hurt the 15 year old too, and he was told he was no longer welcome here until he apologises and sorts himself out. He refused to apologise and eventually after he had upset even more people and nobody wanted him around, said he wanted to try again with us. He still hasn't apologised, he still believes he never did anything wrong, he still believes he should be able to do whatever he wants, but DP and I are trying very hard to build bridges for the sake of the family. I stand by us telling him he was not welcome here until he apologised and changed his behaviour, it was a final straw.

So elephants in the room - there don't appear to be any. We have asked them.

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Forkhandles66 · 19/01/2018 14:04

SandyY2K

if it was my DS...not even my SS... he'd have to drop the attitude or find eleswhere to live. Thanks for the support in what we did!

They are old enough to cook..if they don't let you know they're around too .. or let them eat put noodles till their hearts content. Yes, I don't cook for the 18 year old any more (I refer to all the vegetarian food I specially prepared for him), and I am cutting back on the 15 year old too who leaves it all, doesn't try anything, but stuffs his face with biscuits all day at school.

These are the young men who grow up to be stupid men..because they've not faced consequences. Agreed.

As a SM... I'd just stop engaging with them and pray they leave sharpish... That's where I am at. It's not fulfilling though, this was not how I hoped it would be. This is so different to the relationships I have with other friends and families' children. I felt I had to much to give and offer. Sad

no plans of Uni for the 18 year old then? Don't get me started on that! Too outing to talk about this I think.. All up in the air and he won't talk about it.

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saladdays66 · 19/01/2018 14:11

Wow. How strong is your relationship?

This might be getting to deal-breaker territory for me. You must feel unable to relax in your own home.

Is your h's ex supportive towards you? Do the kids treat her the same way as they do you?

user1474652148 · 19/01/2018 14:13

No one had asked this question yet that I can see.... but what is their relationship like with their mother?
There anger seems directed at you, another female... are they close to her? Is she offering support and guidance?
Are you able to go and speak to her about your concerns?

user1474652148 · 19/01/2018 14:16

I feel as if you are doing far more than can ever be expected in your position.
I don't think I could live there with that level of hostility. You need to consider speaking to your dp about this abs whether the 15yr of can also live with his mother. You may not be able to fix this over night or at all

saladdays66 · 19/01/2018 15:02

No one had asked this question yet that I can see.... but what is their relationship like with their mother?

I asked this in the above line! Grin

timeisnotaline · 19/01/2018 16:37

Hmm. The rudeness is just unacceptable , Ideally you’d go zero tolerance. Something like :
Is this bag yours? Ok it’s in the bin now . Would you like some chips? invitation cancelled
WiFi is off tonight (you can set them up with the password to a separate access so you can just change that password) etc etc .
But it sounds exhausting :(

SnowDance · 19/01/2018 22:25

It’s really good that you’ve tried to discuss it with them. I’m curious about the mother too. Also, how was their parents break up? My suspicion is that none of this has anything to do with you OP. It’s something old that’s been allowed to fester and the boys probably aren’t able to express it. Maybe let the older boy return only if he starts counselling? Or go to family counselling all together with the aim to address this problem in the family dynamic?

But aside from that I think u r amazing to have put up with this for so long. I can’t offer any suggestions on how to react to the hostility and rudeness u face daily. I think I’d have moved out tbh! ( I might continue the relationship, but definitely from a safe distance!)