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Parenting style issues

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merlotmary · 08/09/2015 16:53

HI, I moved in with my DH 18 months ago. I have a DS who is 15 and he has a DD (6) and a DS (10) who are with us 50% of the time. We have a different approach to parenting.

After a year to settle in and settle down I find myself biting my tongue when DSS is frankly very rude to his dad and DSD demands this and that with no please or thank you. They run through the kitchen, climb on the furniture, DSS leaves wee all over the loo seat and the floor, they leave lights on all over the house, they eat with their fingers...DSD climbs all over her dad during meal times, insists she decides where he sits..and they fight all the time but there are never any consequences, just the vague threat of going to bed with no pudding which, in 18 months, has never been carried through. It drives me crazy. I would never have allowed my son to behave like that and frankly their behaviour is pissing him off too. Especially since DSS hogs the wifi watching YouTube videos for hours on end. They both get away with bloody murder.

Should I say anything? This is my house too. Or is that a recipe for disaster?

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throwingpebbles · 09/09/2015 15:00

I don't think op needs berating though curly she just need advice how to work through this

That said op I think it would be rather unfair on your H to insist on him making all the changes to suit your style. Instead there needs to be some thought and compromise and the needs of the children need to be taken into account. I am not sure a huge dramatic change in parenting style would be helpful.
Suggest you decide what really is worth clamping down on behaviour wise and what is personal parenting choice and you may need to relax a bit. We were always allowed a cuddle on a parents lap at meal times if we were upset etc and like I say we have turned into successful well mannered adults who are able to sit on our own chairs

throwingpebbles · 09/09/2015 15:02

Also if you only have one child I can see it might be a shock to you that siblings fight all the time but that is pretty normal. I tend to ignore minor scraps and leave them to sort themselves out.

throwingpebbles · 09/09/2015 15:04

I would agree screen time needs defined limits, for his own sake as well as everyone else's though

SurlyCue · 09/09/2015 15:13

I don't think op needs berating though curly

It certainly wasnt an attempt to berate her! It was a response to something OP brought up herself as if it was relevant. It was just my interpretation of her comment.

MeridianB · 09/09/2015 15:55

I agree about picking one thing. I'd forget table manners as so many people have completely different ideas about what is acceptable. It was a shock to learn that DH thinks the 'chimp' habits that DSD had at 5 are still OK at 12 but that's his choice to make.

I'd ask them to get off the furniture myself, not wait for your DH to speak up.

On the loo problem, I'd ask DH to go in and clean it up every single time.

merlotmary · 09/09/2015 15:56

it's just that I've had people assume that we left our marriages to be together so many times I thought Id pre-empt it.

I agree it's all a compromise. It just feels like i'm the one doing all the compromising (and a good deal of the hard work) while DH and SDC carry on unchanged. It's not draconian to ask for furniture to be respected, energy not to be wasted and meal times to be civil, and for a 10 year old to use the loo in a reasonable way. I expect their teachers teach them those things as well, why shouldn't it be reinforced at home?

The youngest has already learned that if she asks me something doesn't get the answer she wants she ignores me and goes to her dad with the same question and usually gets her way, especially if she turns the waterworks on. So now I've stopped answering her, I just tell her to ask her dad.

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Bananasinpyjamas1 · 09/09/2015 16:25

I think you either have to meet in the middle - he has to accept some of the main things that really annoy you - and agree to work together on these - or you have to break up.

You'll have to let some things go - if he's 'relaxed' he'll always be relaxed. But if it means losing you and a family, and gaining a bit more structure (it isn't going to be the end of the world for the kids to get a bit more rules and boundaries). But you can't live on the outskirts. I tried - didn't work and just got big teenage kids who started treating my own kids with rudeness and contempt too.

SouthAmericanCuisine · 09/09/2015 19:34

I am where I am, I don't see how questioning my path to here and decisions along the way helps. I want to resolve the issue and get on with my marriage.

Thing is, the route to where you are now has a direct impact on whether or not the situation can be resolved.

You are married to an established Disney Dad. His kids live with you 50% of the time. It is not impossible, but unlikely, that he will be willing or able to change, and if he does, it may well significantly impact on his relationships with his DCs. He may be resistant to that happening.

Your best opportunity to address his Disney parenting was before you moved in together.

I understand your desire to "solve" the problem and move on, but it may just not be possible now.

merlotmary · 09/09/2015 20:34

thanks for that vote of confidence SouthAmericanCuisine.

I am not a quitter and I'm not giving up on my marriage. I came here looking for advice and while some has been really good I am surprised by how many of you say it's a deal breaker / lost cause/ whatever and that I my marriage is doomed. Where's the optimism and determination, people? I am really taken aback by some of the attitudes on here. I won't give up even when I've tried everything. Those kids have seen two break ups, they aren't going to see another one.

End of thread for me, thank you to those who offered good constructive suggestions - I have a few more tools in my toolbox than I had before.

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lunar1 · 09/09/2015 20:48

It's not that there is no way to change the behaviours, but if you read these boards enough you would see why people say it's a deal breaker.

The children know their dads rules and they know yours. If your dh decides to do things your way, they will blame you for the changes. If he doesn't do things your way they will see it as a way to get one up on you.

Being a step mum is hard even when your parenting is the same. The people saying call it a day are not being harsh, they are saying from experience that this is a no win situation. You will have a miserable few years and will end up in the role of wicked stepmother.

SurlyCue · 09/09/2015 21:02

Well you know OP fair play to you for having that attitude, i will warn against becoming a martyr to your marriage to avoid another break up. I will also say that your marriage and family working relies on more than just your determination. Your DH needs to want it as much as you, and the DC will have to want to play fair too. Not all do. It isnt a failure on your part if due to your DH or SDCs the marriage isnt working.

SouthAmericanCuisine · 09/09/2015 21:03

I think it's quite controlling to say that you are "determined" to change your DH.

You chose him, and married him, for the man he his.

Deciding that there's a huge part of his personality that you dislike and can't live with is one thing - insisting that he changes, rather than taking responsilbity for your mistake and acting accordingly, is quite another.

anklebitersmum · 10/09/2015 01:08

The youngest has already learned that if she asks me something doesn't get the answer she wants she ignores me and goes to her dad with the same question and usually gets her way, especially if she turns the waterworks on. So now I've stopped answering her, I just tell her to ask her dad.

Nip it in the bud. NOW.

This is exactly what I was saying about dividing and conquering and it's relationship cancer. Not to mention bloody disrespectful and downright rude.

It's practically impossible to stay in a relationship with someone that ultimately you can't respect, and this is all too often where this path leads. Please, please initiate with your husband, not the children house rules you both agree on and even more importantly agree to defend them and each other in front of the children even of you hiss about it later when they are in bed Present a United Parental front.

Children test the boundaries whether it's Step-Mum or Mum and Dad. The biters have all tried the ask Mum/Dad, get told no, seek out Dad/Mum to get their own way routine at some point. They've also been caught at it and discovered that it has consequences Wink DSS and DS briefly tried the between houses divide and conquer too for a while. "House rules". Do what you like in yours, dear ex said DH and I respectively, these are the rules in mine.

Good luck!

swingofthings · 10/09/2015 08:54

This is known as being a "Disney Dad"
This is often labelled as soon as a NR dad takes a relax attitude to disciplining, blamed on divorce/not seeing them enough etc...

I don't believe that is always, or most of the time the case. I think many fathers are just not the main disciplinarian in the family, and I think that is often because they are not so stuck into imposing rules.

I had a step-mum who had many issues with my manners and despaired with my dad who didn't seem so bothered. I know they had many arguments about it and I know (as I heard!) that she told him a number of times that I would turn out into a trouble teenager and loser adult.

As it happened, I turned into neither. I was actually a very responsible teenager, and have done well as an adult. My manners are very good, I am naturally polite and respectful. Unfortunately, her negative attitude towards me had a very bad impact on our relationship and it took a lot of self-reflecting and moving on to build that relationship when I became an adult. Such a pity as we are now very close and could have been then.

I have read some research some time ago that said that children learnt much more from what they observe then what they are told, so if parents themselves act the way they want their children to act, they are much more likely to see their child do so as they grow up. I think this is very true.

SouthAmericanCuisine · 10/09/2015 09:38

swing I was referring to the OPs DPs guilt and desire to 'make things up' to his DCs as Disney - not his method of parenting.

If he was confident in his methods he would say so to the OP - it's the fact that he agrees with her in principle, but can't follow through in practice, that indicates the Mickey Mouse influence, IMO.

swingofthings · 10/09/2015 10:12

I see what you mean, unless he just say he agrees in principle because he knows otherwise it will be more conflict... I know that's what my dad did. Very wrongly though, he would tell me so (that he didn't agree with his wife but didn't argue with her because he couldn't cope with more conflict). I think he spent most of my childhood feeling torn apart between trying to appease his wife whilst being the dad he wanted to be to me.

merlotmary · 11/09/2015 08:55

I hadn't intended to return to this thread but yesterday's development was interesting. The school spoke to DH about one of SDC's behaviour and is calling in a therapist. We had a long discussion and it seems that many of the principles I had been talking about were raised by the school. DH wants to make changes and says he now sees the value in the things I've been saying and recognises that he's been giving in to sDC in order to avoid conflict / upsetting them. So I'm sure this won't be plain sailing but it's a start.

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DontMindTheStep · 11/09/2015 14:41

Merlotmary,( great name), I like your post and I am glad you are back.
I relate to things you've said in earlier posts.The few step mums I have spoken to in RL say the same sort of honest accounts of struggles. I have them too. This is completely in the realms of normal.

Now this development at school might just be a turning point! Fantastic that outside influences will steer things in a direction you agree will make life all round more harmonious. If it helps, it will help everyone be happier.

I can see that in your post you are decent and kind. I wholly disagree with people who advise you to leave your husband. Ridiculous. He is your love and you have committed to making a new shape family together. It's just hard to form and shape it. I doubt you thought it would be easy but didn't think it would be so hard. You have made a commitment. I can see you want take it work.

Maybe you are a very competent person. Perhaps this has enable your hubby to be more lax. I wonder.

18 months into marriage I was in the same place as you. Feeling like no one could hear me scream (I was too kind and polite to scream out loud, knowing I would do myself an injustice being shouty anyway, and inside I felt demoralised and unable to cope, and felt powerless to settle on a lifestyle I could live with. I felt hard done by and trapped. A bit excluded. Terrified of what future I had in the new family. I felt the small things added up to an impossible living situation. And they did. It had to change).

Give it some time. It does get better. I have been married only 4 years and having hit rock bottom things have come up roses after a very hard grind, and I now absolutely love to bits my (better chosen than first time) husband, my home and my life. My relationship with my steps is much better, in fact almost indiscernible from the conversations and mothering of my own children in simple conversations. The steps give me the impression they want to please me now, surreptitiously looking for praise, asking me how I am. I feel warmer to them again (like I did in the beginning). This is a complete turnaround! It is entirely possible for you.

Some key things happened. Majorly, my relationship with hubby improved, in that our TRUST improved, because i was less judgey of his parenting, which led to more honest communications.

Communication is the key. Trust is the bedrock.

In practical terms, I chose to accept hubby was a loving dad who was soft and hat I couldn't wait for him to miraculously change. I disengaged from step's eating style, but found I would not tolerate not sitting on a "Chairly Squarely" so i would corrext that. If the living room behaviour was bad I stopped deferring to hubby and told the children to play elsewhere myself.

One of my children went though a bad/risky patch and I spoke openly and honestly about my worry (and horror) to my hubby, and he was so supportive. It also meant it wasn't always his children who misbehaved. Mine did too. That helped a lot. The new equation meant that I wasn't lording it as the superior parent.

Hubby and i started popping out for dinner once a week, only 6.30 -8.30, and cuddled more in front of the children, and I accepted that I should plan our outings and holidays rather than resent being trapped, and that being responsible for MY happiness, I should be a little less self sacrificing. I accepted that hubby could love his children to death, and would instinctively spoil them, but I could gently coerce the steps to behave more decently if I coached them firmly and with kindness.

Say NO to running through he kitchen. I wouldn't have got my D H to a table meeting to agree this, he would think it all too new age, but in passing, me saying "That's It, I won't stand for running in the kitchen" and following up with "X, no running!!" "You won't eat pudding with us if you do it again.." That should work. But you have to follow it through. Deny the pudding yourself.

I left a raw steak and an unpeeled potato on a worktop once, for one step, whilst the rest of us ate. There was a flurry of texts to birth mum and my hubby was really upset with me, but after some days I gained respect because I wouldn't be walked over. Why should I cook if disrespected? I had been a bit of a mug, leaving Doting Dad to do all the consequence management of a naughty child, when I knew he'd not action any consequences!

Incidentally, whilst I put in stronger and more positive effort in with the steps, I also gave my birth children more hugs, love (and token gifts) so they didn't feel too anxious at the change of pace with mum in the household. Your boy is 15. You could ask him for advice about getting the young ones to behave.

You CAN get to a happy equilibrium at home merlotmary. It takes a lot of effort and nerves of steel but it is sooo worth it. A proper family home for you and all your children. That's what you want, isn't it, where everyone feels safe and happy. And that means you too! Accept your part in being part of the solution. Take control of your happiness at home. You're not powerless to affect great change. You and hubby together, children who grow together, general behaviour patterns can get better with time.

Wdigin2this · 13/09/2015 15:01

Differing parenting styles are always a hell of a problem, and in the decades I've been with DH, I can see that nothing changes! I've encouraged my DC to be independent people who make their own way in the world, of course I've given them a financial leg up when they've really needed it, but mostly they stand on their own two feet!
DH however, seems to think it's appropriate for one of his DC to be so dependant on us that we are effectively keeping them and their family...it drives me mad that a) he's incapable of saying no, and b) his DC will always ask for everything single thing to be done for/paid for them, with apparently no guilt or shame whatsover! We are consequently keeping this DC ad DGC in a style they have got used to 'thank you very much', but which they could never possibly afford themselves....IMO that's downright stupidity!!

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