Can DP apply for a passport for his dd? And can she go abroad without her Mum's permission?

[NotActuallyAMum]

That's it really

He can apply for a passport but the mum will have to sign the application too.

And then as far as I know he could take her abroad without the mum's permission. I travel with my DS a lot without DH and it's never been an issue.

However - for the sake of future amicable relations with the mother I prob wouldn't!

He can't apply if he doesnt have PR.

Any contact orders?

why would you want to do that? the mother - would be beside herself - am assuming shes a complete fucker or else no need for Q - but i dont think you should - even if you could.

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passport form makes you sign to say everyone with pr has agreed to it being issued. he can apply if she agrees but she can stop him getting it if she doesnt. my contact order states that i can take the kids out of the country without permission from dad as i am resident parent, he must have permission in writing. dont know situation if no contact order in place

Why?

I assume he's got PR as they were married when she was born. No contact orders, when she came to live with us DPs solicitor said there was no need because of her age (13)

dsd and her Mum are not speaking, long story but her Mum told her she'd never see her again if she didn't stop visiting her Uncle/cousins which dsd doesn't want to do

dsd wants to go to Disneyland Paris for a week next year with her friend, we just know there's no way her Mum would sign a passport application

He's the parent with care isn't he? In that case he can apply for a passport without her permission, signature or anything and take her out of the country without permission for up to a month.

Dh's x got dsd a passport without him being involved at all or contacted by the passport office. She's never taken her abroad but could without his permission.

It's different for the non-resident parent. Dh recently renewed dsd's passport - all with his x's agreement - but she was still telephoned by the passport office to ensure that she knew about it. He has to have her permission to leave the country with dsd (I think, but not sure).

Meant to say, we will of course ask the question but we just know she won't do it

look at the form, she may not have to sign it, just your dh to say everyone has agreed. could be dodgy ground saying she has agreed but if she doesnt find out i dont know how she can stop you. i would call the helpline number and say dsd has no contact with mum, can dad apply. seems very unfair that she misses out

There was no need for dh's x to sign the form we did for dsd's passport.

Have you got a form NAAM? I've gone one here if you want me to look at anything.

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surfermum it looks like we can do it then from what you've said, thank you. We haven't got a form yet, her friend only asked her yesterday if she could go. Does it say anything about who can sign?

I know it sounds awful on the surface of it but, as gigglinggoblin said, we don't see why she should she miss out on a holiday

HappyMumof2 don't worry. I probably should have given a bit more info in my OP

There is nowhere for the parent who is not completing the form to sign. You have to give details of both parents but only one of them needs to sign. It says that it can be signed by a parent or person with parental responsibility.

You can go ahead with or without her agreement - it says "consent must be given by the mother where the parents are unmarried unless the father has PR".

Great

Thanks very much for that surfermum

NAAM have you heard from Squirrel? I haven't seen her around. I emailed her the other day but haven't heard back yet.

I had an e-mail from her last Friday morning, I sent a reply but haven't heard from her since. She's not doing too bad, bless her. She's taking things very slowly with DP, they were going to a bonfire on Friday evening with the kids - first time she's seen them since it all happened. Must e-mail her to ask how it went

Would you tell her I was asking after her?

Certainly will

just to say that the passport system is rubbish but could work in your favour! i have applied for 2 passports in the last 6 years (one when i was 12 and one when i was 17) and on both i only put my mum's details even though my dad is on the birth certificate that i sent off with the application. never had a problem!

Had a hell of a time trying to get DS's Australian passport renewed last year, they needed consent from ex-arsehole with no PR who hates me and hadn't seen DS for two years! Of course he didn't consent! Had to get a letter from CAFCASS to get one in the end.

Applied for a UK passport for him and they couldn't care less who his father was, no PR meant no say in the matter.

But I was warned that regulations are going to tighten, and we may have a similar system in place to Australia before too long, If your exe's are tw*t's, get the applications in soon just in case.

I bet there are a lot of lovely men out there who would love to stop you taking a holiday with your own kids, while they're laughing about it in the Maldives with their new girlfriend. And banging on about their "rights".