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SureFootedWhispher · 04/08/2014 22:49

How do you get an 18 year old who finished 4 days a week in college, in May find a job other than the handfull of hours his dad got him?

How do you get them to contribute to house work rather than 'play out'?

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ThinkIveBeenHacked · 04/08/2014 22:50

You dont fund their social life. If they need money they earn it.

If they dont need money, then they dont need to earn any unless they want to.

Is he expected to pay any board?

SureFootedWhispher · 04/08/2014 22:54

We are planning on it from next month, as is his mum (50/50).

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ThinkIveBeenHacked · 04/08/2014 23:01

Have you told him, and how much, and asked how he plans to pay?

Fairenuff · 04/08/2014 23:20

What do you mean by 'play out'?

Elizabeth120914 · 05/08/2014 06:33

Find a job volunteering that he can do which he won't get paid for...? Maybe that might launch some action?

I'd say you need to pay x amount of board if your here all day but less if your at work ..? Stop any allowance now as over 18 should be paying your own way might help? Difficult if someone's totally lazy. Or can you just help him find a job by filling in loads of forms as the dad has done? Painful but force some action ..?

He will only sit there as long as hes allowed what does your OH say sounds like he needs to take some action? I'm with you if he's been off since May he's had his break time to crack on now. When I was 18 I had a mortgage I know it's not as easy now but surely he must want to have his own space?

Would his mum gang up on him too at her house?

SureFootedWhispher · 05/08/2014 07:20

He plays out with mates in town. Hanging around.

He doesn't get allowances. He knows about board and thinks it is unfair. I found jobs for him and he never applied. We showed him how to look.

Each morning we give him some chorre. They don't get done.

His mother works long shifts in what I imagine to be a traumatic job and she comes home to a messed up house.

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Elizabeth120914 · 05/08/2014 07:27

Sounds like a nightmare! Don't know what to suggest really if he can still have enough money to do what he wants your a bit stuck.. Would your OH inforce the board? Presumably if he refuses to pay it he will just stay at his mums the other half of the week too? Surprised she isn't more interested in getting it sorted if I came home to a pit every night there would be hell up!

SureFootedWhispher · 05/08/2014 07:35

They are actually meeting up to discusd but I don't think she has the will after doing her job and working the hours she does. Not a dig. I wouldn't!

I think 50/50 needs to end. He can escape to easily.

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catsmother · 05/08/2014 08:27

Sounds very difficult but the good thing is that both parents are at least talking about it. I agree 50:50 provides an escape route for him - e.g. from chores he doesn't want to do, but if both parents also agreed to the same sanctions (so to speak) then life at House A would be no more advantageous than life at House B and that might just help him to grow up and start accepting responsibility.

Yes - we all know it's particularly hard to find work ATM but to not even try is taking the piss - especially if he thinks board is "unfair". Refusing to look for work at all can't be allowed to proceed long term - does he have any long term plans ?? ... or does he literally believe he can doss about at either house and be fed with no contribution from him at all ? Assuming however, that right now, neither parent wants to literally see him on the street (given his age, given college didn't finish that long ago) then until he gets more work damn right he should be contributing at each household in other ways by making himself useful and doing stuff which would alleviate some of the stress for the people who are supporting him, and which would show that he actually appreciates he's an "adult" now who has no automatic right to unconditional support.

Well, that's the theory but fully appreciate how hard it is to literally "make" him do chores. If appealing to his conscience doesn't work then as I suggested earlier I think the next step has to be identical sanctions which are stuck to rigidly - a.k.a. making life as unappealing for him as possible. That means (or could mean, you can probably think of others) stuff like: basic meals (he gets no "treat" stuff like cake, biscuits, icecream, sweets, crisps etc - might have to hide this), no laundry done for him, no lifts anywhere (why should he get favours?), no internet access (password family PC, password modem etc), gadgets that don't belong to him personally removed from his room (e.g. TV, playstation if applicable) ..... some people might even suggest removing his door - and therefore his privacy - until he "earns back" the right to be treated like an adult, e.g. when he starts acting like one.

And long term, however hard it is, I think both your DP and ex need to agree an approach if he continues to be so entitled. That might mean a threat of asking him to leave if he doesn't pull his socks up before a deadline. I know that's very hard to think of but it's completely unfair he expects to be carried while making no contribution of any sort to either household. Would be entirely different if he had plans, was making an effort, was doing voluntary work (so arguably getting useful experience and/or contributing to society), was doing housework/garden.

SureFootedWhispher · 05/08/2014 08:52

Good suggestions Cat, similar to some of the ones I suggested to DH last night. They do get strict but it never lasts for a few weeks and we go back to square one. I just think it will be the same this time. I then end up nagging him and DH on the rules and end up falling into the negative step parent role.

It has actually been going on for years but in different forms, e.g. no exam revision or doing course work.

He wont entertain voluntary work because it doesn't pay and he has no plans.

He sees as vacuuming one room as a contribution. It is less than a 5 min task and not the house like asked.

He has been sat down and spoken to again and again over the years. It doesn't sink in.

His brother works.

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Fairenuff · 05/08/2014 11:02

My dd once told me that she didn't care what I took away, all she needed was her bed and her clothes. I said that could be arranged. She changed her mind.

They really need to believe that you all mean what you say and will follow through. I would definitely stop access to Wi-Fi because most teenagers will do anything for that.

These are all things he should have learned when he was about 8 so he has a bit of catching up to do but, if you really want to do this, he will learn. Talking isn't working. It's time for action.

Btw it's not that hard to get work if you are willing to do anything. The contracts are awful (zero hours) and the pay is crap but it is work, it does pay and as he has no financial commitments it would all be 'pocket money'.

It would also give him experience and a reference if something better came along.

SureFootedWhispher · 05/08/2014 18:45

Thing about wifi is that 4g is now available on cheap packages. That is how DSS 20 got around the no wifi punishment!

I shall see what comes out of the meeting. I think it is just getting them both to keep on at him rather. It makes me irratable and impacts how I feel towards him.

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