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Is this a selfish/unreasonable request

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Aroundtheworldandback · 22/03/2014 21:33

Dss is 19 lives with us full time but will not communicate with me in any way- lives like a lodger eating apart from family. Was not ow, he has not been willing to give dh a reason for his behaviour other than he 'doesn't like me'.

Have told dh that I do not not feel respected by him (dh) on the occasion when the three of us are in the kitchen and he carries on talking to dss as if nothing were going on. He bends over backwards in every possible way for dss, and I've told him in a situation where dss is ignoring me, I expect him not to carry on chatting away, childish as that probably is of me.

The bottom line is he has never parented dss with discipline or consequences as dss went no communicado for six months once and dh will not let that happen again.

Luckily there is enough room in the house for dss and I not to tread on eachother's toes but it's the obvious lack of respect from dh that is my problem. I have even gone as far as to tell dh he should say to dss "If you can't respect my wife you should be living elsewhere".

Our relationship otherwise is great. Sorry for the rant.. Any opinions?

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catsmother · 23/03/2014 19:23
  • Meant to say that after "he asked if he could move back temporarily when there was going to be a few months gap between him leaving his house share and moving into a rented flat." I was happy to let him return for a short while and his attitude that time round was fine.
Aroundtheworldandback · 24/03/2014 10:00

Catsmother you have put into words everything I feel but far more eloquently. Thank you so very much for taking the time as you are not just giving an opinion (which would be fine) but you are speaking from hard earned experience; you took a risk, it paid off and you are so much the wiser for it.

My dh won't take that risk. I also don't understand why the company of a spoilt entitled brat who threw away the best education money can buy and now expects dh to 'sort him out' is so important but then I suppose some of us never 'give up' on our children.

Dh is adamant dss (who won't even grunt at me nevermind say a word) will move out in due course. But that still doesn't make the future any easier with regards to weddings (where obviously dh will be forced to 'choose' to go alone or not at all), future grandchildren etc. There's no way dss will lose face and back down.

Although I don't believe councellng will change the situation, I will peruse it as this really is our only issue (be it a massive one).

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catsmother · 24/03/2014 10:54

I see you put "give up" in inverted commas and am guessing that that is how your H would describe the process of asking SS to shape up or ship out ... whereas you probably see it as "tough love" like I do.

Yes .... asking a "child" albeit an adult one to leave the family home is a risk. It would be naiive to suggest otherwise as undoubtedly it's going to be a big upheaval for a young person used to having things pretty easy both financially and practically - but I really do believe that if it's done fairly, i.e. after plenty of conversation, and plenty of warning (that this is what will happen if things don't improve) then it's the only option left to you (I mean a generic "you") if you don't want to spend an indefinite period of time - which could be years - being treated like a doormat and disrespected in your own home.

I certainly never "gave up" on my son - as I described before I spent a long time trying to appeal to his better nature - to little avail - and then, finally, I warned him what would happen if he didn't start behaving with more consideration. And once he left, I made every effort to show him that I still cared and was happy to help (but not do everything) him find his feet and become independent, and I made lots of effort to meet up with him and show an interest in his life. I know this is easy for me to say all this now with hindsight of course because it's something I've been through and come out at the other end with a good relationship ... but it kind of stood to reason to me that as I'd brought him up pretty well (IMO anyway) and had never spoilt him, that underneath all the bluster was a good lad at heart. Maybe it was hormonal, I don't know ... but he'd never really been a problem at all until he hit 18/19.

When I asked my son to leave it was done with love. My son probably didn't feel like that at the time but I hope he's starting to realise that I acted in both our best interests. It gave me the breathing space I needed and him the opportunity to grow up and become more considerate. I honestly feel he's a better young man because of it though undoubtedly it was hard for both of us.

Your situation is a bit different of course because you not only have a problem "teen" (I know strictly speaking he isn't but he's all but one) but the added issue of his father seemingly happy to tolerate his behaviour. Which might be all very well if he was a sod to his dad as well but when it seems SS has very clearly singled you out for his contempt, he (H) is completely out of order to sit back on his arse and not tackle him properly. I didn't have that "double" insult to deal with thankfully .... though I am all too aware of how it feels to have a partner who'll do anything to avoid disciplining non-resident kids when they need it because he's petrified of losing contact.

I agree you should pursue counselling .... I'd be very interested to hear how he justifies himself effectively condoning SS's attitude. It's simply not good enough to say airy-fairy like that he'll move out sooner or later ... I'd bloody well hope so ... but how long will that be, and in any case, that's NOT the point. Whether you have to tolerate this for one more month or two more years, him ignoring you contemptuously is completely unacceptable and if this isn't nipped in the bud then, as you say, it could fester ad infinitum and cast a horrid shadow over future family occasions.

Does SS harbour any illusions still that you were somehow responsible for his parents' marriage breaking down ? If so, quite honestly, at his age, I'd be tempted to set him straight about his mother's role in proceedings. And if he does know what happened, then actually his rudeness is even more unforgivable and H's refusal to deal with it properly seems even worse.

What does your H say when you ask "do you think it's acceptable for SS to treat me so contemptuously ?" .... I mean, what could he say because there's only one right answer isn't there.

Aroundtheworldandback · 24/03/2014 16:44

Dh has tried countless times to appeal to his elusive better nature. I honestly believe he will never change his stance. He is old enough to remember that I met dh after his parent's divorce, doesn't know about about his mum's affair but I have no doubt that wouldn't make a jot of difference as he idolises her, despite her putting her needs above his time and time again, to his detriment.

Perhaps i, like you, have a strong enough attachment to my own son because I can discipline him and although he may not like it, he just doesn't have that power over me, whereas dss does over dh. I am convinced dss sees it as a 'battle' where there is a winner and a loser.

When I ask dh if he thinks dss's behaviour is acceptable, he will admit it isn't, but will usually try and minimise his rudeness. He always defends his children even when they are so obviously wrong, whereas I am quick to admit when mine are in the wrong and give them hell to boot.

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reup · 24/03/2014 17:21

Does your ss interact with you children?

MichelloBarner · 24/03/2014 17:33

The thing is... (and I say this with no personal axe to grind as I am not a step parent and my 19 yo is not a stepchild) ....

  1. he is entitled to behave in his father's home in exactly the same way most teenagers up and down the country behave in their own parents' homes. And that includes sometimes treating the house a bit like a hotel, taking meals alone, being pretty uncommunicative etc.

That's not to say that 19 yo's are entitled to be rude arses - we all wish they were not like that, but the simple fact is that they often can be, and he is no exception. He should not have to be on an extra special charm offensive just to appease you. He is not a visitor, in the usual sense.

  1. He does not have to like you. You cannot make him. It sucks, I know. It may be entirely unfair, but you cannot make him. And just because he does not like you it doesn't mean that he should not still be welcome in his father's home.

So long as he is not actually deliberately abusive or offensive to you, I think you just need to rise above it, refuse to take it personally, and treat it like a game. He will either grow out of it, or reach an age where his dad can see 'You know what? I'll visit your place instead. Around and I find it difficult when you so obviously dislike her.'

brdgrl · 24/03/2014 19:32

he is entitled to behave in his father's home in exactly the same way most teenagers up and down the country behave in their own parents' homes. And that includes sometimes treating the house a bit like a hotel, taking meals alone, being pretty uncommunicative etc.
I didn't do either of the first two of these as a teenager, and neither did my siblings or do any of my teenage nephews or children's friends! "uncommunicative", yes, but downright rude, no.
The teenagers in our house have their issues, certainly, and they can definitely be rude and disrespectful - but we do try to let them know it is unacceptable.
And we have house rules about eating dinner together, and cleaning up after ourselves.
I think it is wrong to say that the SS is "entitled" to act in the way he does, simply because other teens act as badly. They aren't entitled to do it either!

brdgrl · 24/03/2014 19:32

or reach an age where his dad can see 'You know what? I'll visit your place instead. Around and I find it difficult when you so obviously dislike her.'
Erm, I think he has reached that age, actually...

Aroundtheworldandback · 24/03/2014 19:52

Reup he does interact with my children. MichelloBarner- He is not acting like teenagers up and down the country behave because we are not simtalking about 'moodiness' or being uncommunicative; he obviously has a personal vendetta

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Aroundtheworldandback · 24/03/2014 20:00

Sorry posted too soon- he obviously has a personal vendetta because he singles me out for his behaviour. Sure, he doesn't have to like me and to be honest I'm past caring. But persistent rudeness by not even acknowledging me? I think not. I feel if he can't show basic respect for his father's wife then no, why on earth should he be made welcome in our home?

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catsmother · 24/03/2014 20:12

No-one has said this kidult has to like the OP - but the minimum required of him should be basic courtesy surely ? We all have to "tolerate" people we don't especially like one way or another - e.g. at work, or at family gatherings, but for the sake of the greater good most of us manage minimum civility.

Yes - most teenagers can be rude. They are typically self absorbed, self important and pushing all sorts of boundaries. Doesn't mean it's in any way acceptable. And the SS here is completely ignoring the OP, he NEVER speaks to her, he acts as if she doesn't exist in any way shape or form. That goes beyond mere rudeness, it's contempt.

Neither do I think it's as simple as saying he should be welcome in his father's home. The home in question belongs to both the OP and her husband, and they should both feel comfortable there. I can't imagine how it must feel to share your living space with someone who looks right through you and pretends you're not there - and as of now the OP has no idea how long this situation will continue.

Of course he should be taken to task about this. He may well be playing games and getting a kick out of it but that's not going to make the OP feel any better is it ? Personally, I'd find it hugely stressful and upsetting to live like this and it isn't right to expect the OP to live like that either.

As for "extra special charm offensive just to please you" I've never heard anything more ridiculous or condescending. Since when did very basic manners - hello, goodbye, please, thankyou, simple requests - fall into such a category ? This loathsome brat is singling out the OP specifically to be foul to - if he was equally revolting to everyone else then she'd probably feel better about it. It strikes me he's deliberately embarked on an "extra special offensiveness offensive" in fact. The OP doesn't want anything more from him for heaven's sake than the same level of respect he shows to his dad, she's not asking for some sort of Herculean effort from him FFS.

Furthermore, what sort of bloody example is all this setting to the other children in the family ? They see that a) their dad/stepdad (not sure of how everyone's related) condones contempt and b) they see that under certain circumstances it seems to be okay to treat their mum/stepmum like shit because this brat is never pulled up on it. How can that be a happy and healthy family dynamic ?

Aroundtheworldandback · 24/03/2014 20:34

Thank you Catsmother- he's not simply 'a bit rude' but completely ignores me. My children have long accepted that their stepdad is too afraid to say no to his children in any shape or form, let alone reprimand or give them consequences. They just understand and they see that as a failing but accept him because he is basically a kind decent person, all but with no backbone when it comes to his children.

I do not draw my children's attention to ss's behaviour as I don't want to ruin any relationship they may have with him- but obviously they notice!

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MatryoshkaDoll · 25/03/2014 07:45

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Aroundtheworldandback · 25/03/2014 11:09

No it doesn't feel anything like being bullied. Because of his work hours I hardly see him and when I do, I now treat him as he treats me. If I was still making an effort (like I used to) perhaps that would feel like being subservient and being bullied. But I am a very vocal, confident mother of two so we are very much the family and he the outsider (his choice entirely).

Because of his age (almost 20), there is no way I'm going to throw away an otherwise loving relationship and part my kids from their stepdad whom they love and has given them stability in every way, for what..him?

Ss is apparently looking for a flat to rent, I know that doesn't solve the issues but dh has agreed to go for councellng which I am looking forward to.

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MatryoshkaDoll · 25/03/2014 17:39

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Aroundtheworldandback · 25/03/2014 18:53

Thanks MatryoshkaDoll x

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NewNameForSpring · 02/04/2014 19:14

I really hope you get to that counselling and that your DH finally sees what an arse he is being. So so disrespectful.

I find it so hard to believe that the rest of your relationship is good because this shows your dh in such a bad light.

I would so love to witness that counsellor show him what's what and I hope he is so so so sorry and so so so embarrassed and ashamed.

I feel so cross for you OP.

But with regards to the long term even if he does move out, you are right, things need to be sorted, re weddings etc but also what could be a huge long term resentment on your part.

God your DSS sounds like such a knob.

maggiemight · 02/04/2014 21:28

doesn't know about about his mum's affair but I have no doubt that wouldn't make a jot of difference as he idolises her, despite her putting her needs above his time and time again, to his detriment

SDCs seem to take out their anger and disappointment in their parents' broken marriage on the new partner possibly because they can't dare risk doing it to their own DP, or in this case DM. Maybe risking being hurt more by the departed DM would just be too much to bear.

Possibly, having been terribly let down by his DM, though he would never admit this is the case, he takes out the emotional hurt on you, OP the other woman in his life.

It's bullying in a way. But v sad too for DSS as well as OP.

Why can't he go abroad to DM?

The best revenge would be for you to be happy, lighthearted and living life to the full, thus negating his impact. Though maybe not best for him.

maggiemight · 02/04/2014 21:32

I mean it's sad for DSS as he must be carrying some very bitter feelings to behave so badly for no reason.

But your DCs are learning a lot about life by seeing your brave response.

Aroundtheworldandback · 02/04/2014 22:27

NewName I know it shows dh in a bad light. Other than that he is an unusually loving, respectful, generous and supportive husband. He has enriched my life and is a special person, kind to so many. Wise in business but pathetic with his children, terrified of upsetting them and 'losing' them. Just tries to keep everyone happy. If ss was younger I don't think I could stick it out but whilst the same issues will always be present in the future, i suppose it won't be on a day to day basis. It's all about power to ss.

Maggie that's a very interesting point re step children venting their anger with respect to their parent's marriage breakdown on the 'step-goat'. I take my revenge every day being happy, lighthearted and just myself, even though I don't always feel that. The truth is I always wonder if I could have done anything differently with him and if so, am racked with guilt because I love my dh and he is always caught in the middle.

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maggiemight · 03/04/2014 07:25

I doubt you could have changed things. Actions by the DM and your DP earlier on might have changed things but he is nearly adult now and might mature and be better in the future. Many horrid teenagers do change to nice adults.

Can you imagine him having a DW in the future and telling her 'don't speak to or make eye contact with my SM' and her going along with this? So things could be different then, fingers crossed.

Aroundtheworldandback · 03/04/2014 17:44

Thanks again Maggiemight, ironically he has a girlfriend who lives too far away for a day visit. I have told dh that she cannot come here to stay for weekends. There has to be some consequence for his behaviour. I explained that If he were to discuss it with me I would probably be more than happy to have her, but otherwise I would be left feeling that I don't have a voice (or a face) in my own home. I have no doubt that any future wife would expect me to have horns.

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puffinnuffin · 05/04/2014 13:16

OP I could write your post word for word, except my DSS doesn't live here full time as he is now 21 and at Uni.

Aroundtheworldandback · 05/04/2014 17:38

Puffin what happens when he's back in the holidays, is he allowed to just walk past you without so much as a hello and how does your dh react? Would love to hear from someone in same situation

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puffinnuffin · 06/04/2014 15:15

Yes I am afraid so. YSS doesn't make any effort to stay in contact with DH apart from when asking for money. It is quite upsetting as YSS is very charming to others (including my family members who he treats as his own) but just shuns me. The only way to deal with it is to just keep being smiley and friendly no matter what. I am not sure I could manage that full time though.

On a positive note things can get better. I have another stepson who used to be the same as his brother. Since moving away from his mum's influence long term he has totally changed how he behaves towards me. We now get on really well.

I can really recommend joining the online support group called The British Second Wives Club (BSWC). You will meet many people in very similar situations with great advice. It has kept me sane over the last 18 years of being a step mum!