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Face to face with DHs ex

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FrogStarandRoses · 08/01/2014 09:23

Does anyone else get the wobbles when coming face to face with their DH ex?

I've got all the classic symptoms; sweaty palms, butterflies, weak bladder - all because she and I will be in the same court lobby for a few hours. We won't have to interact at all - but just being near her is enough to get my heart pounding.

We've only spoken about 4 times on the phone, and she's only ever initiated one hostile, verbal attack on me directly.

Lots of rescue remedy, deep breaths and happy thoughts!

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SoupDragon · 09/01/2014 09:15

I'm always surprised at some of the opinions about exes on here

My gut feeling is that the number of Exes who are truly as bad as they are described on here are equally balanced by the number of step-parents who are truly as bad as they are described on here. :)

stepmooster · 09/01/2014 09:16

I know what the ex is thinking/feeling because she likes to send it over via email to DH. When I tried to suggest to DH he might just be biased towards hating her, he showed me the emails and text messages.

There is it seems a certain type of ex, usually one who left the marriage for another man. Instead of the wonderful love affair continuing she still had to do his laundry and all the pressure of modern life resumed. Except of course she now has to share the children with the ex, which is OK when he's a sad single man who will probably do as he's told. But if said man then falls in love and remarries and goes on to have children he is not the sad man she thought he was. He is no longer a tragic figure to mock. Certainly DSS would tell us what his mum thought of DH, very judgey. I really don't understand, I couldn't give a shit what car my ex drives, or how he styles his hair. But these things matter to her and its nearly 5 years since she left DH.

I also think the ex hates the fact she cannot use the, 'I've got other children to think about and what I say goes.'. Because DH has other children too and their needs matter as much, perhaps even more so as the ex children are now late teens and living their own lives. Dh remarrying is an inconvenience to her.

FeelingTheFire · 09/01/2014 09:23

I've formed an opinion of DH's ex based on her behaviour that I have witnessed personally and how she has spoken to me, through what's been said in court (I've seen the solicitor's notes from court) and the volatile emails she sends.

I take everything anyone says to me about anybody at face value. Never judge a book by it's cover as they say. I'm mature enough to realise there are 3 sides to every story - yours, mine and the truth. But when you've actually witnessed the behaviour you've been told about - how can you not form an opinion?

FrogStarandRoses · 09/01/2014 09:39

Honestly, if she is showing some signs of a mental crisis like addiction, have a little compassion and think why that might be

I've been thinking about this a lot since I read it - should DH (and I) show compassion because we think/believe that his exW behaviour is driven by mental health issues, even though we are alone in those thoughts?

Leaving to one side for a moment the fact that it is not appropriate for DH or I to diagnose or even speculate about his exWs mental health, should we be expected to give her more leeway than society as a whole?

My DDs Dad suffered from MH problems when we split. His behaviour was, at times, harassing and scary. He damaged DD through his choices. I am certain that this was as a consequence of his MH problems, however he had been deemed capable of functioning in society and conducting his day to day life unsupported. I did involve the authorities and he was warned regarding his behaviour. I was harshly berated for doing do by some including my own parents because he can't help it. But, he was considered by professionals as capable.

So, if DH and I suspect his ex is suffering from MH or addiction problems, but these are not impacting on her ability to function in other aspects of her life, should we make allowances? Or should we treat her the way the rest of society does; which includes negative consequences for inappropriate actions?

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QueenTea33 · 09/01/2014 10:26

Stepmooster I agree with your statement about there being a certain type of ex acting this way. The exact same circumstances that you described applies to dp's ex.

She was having an affair and discovered she was pregnant, so she ended things with dp and he returned to his parents house. They settled on joint custody, but she would palm dsd off on him for weeks on end why she moved the other man into their home and started a family. The other man left before the birth. She had the baby and wanted dp to come back. He told her in no uncertain terms where to shove that idea.

When I met dp, ex's new baby was 3 months old, yet she tells dsd that I was the OW. I didn't even know dp before then.

She hated me from the outset because dp wouldn't pander to her and chose to get on with his life instead.

She made things practically unbearable for the first year of our relationship, then she met someone else and calmed down. Then he left and she started again. There is a cycle: if she's unhappy, she tries to make us unhappy.

Since then, she's had another baby and is very on and off with baby's dad.

So its currently all my fault. Again.

I have never said or done anything to make her this way. She just likes to blame me. It's infuriating, but I don't rise to it (as much as I'd love to) because I don't want dsd (or my ds's) to think this is acceptable behaviour.

shey02 · 09/01/2014 10:40

QueenTea I feel your pain! I hate nobody, not even the woman who stole my husband from me (actually she did me a favour! :D). However, my feelings for his low, despicable character run pretty close. She has a good life, money, job, the loyalty of her children, support of her ex. No one does anything bad to her, ever. So everything should be good, on paper, but she CHOOSES to be a victim. I still haven't figured out in what way, my guess is to control the dc and to make people hate me. Which they don't but it's not nice for me. She spits venom to the cronies as you say and I must admit, I do find it quite hurtful. Especially when dp doesn't get put through that and basically just tells me to suck it up and become more resillient. A little sympathy wouldn't go amiss. If my ex. did that sort of thing to my dp, dp would probably have broken his legs by now, but I just have to put up with it...... No fair!

catsmother · 09/01/2014 11:00

I thank god I don't live close enough to have ever set eyes upon my DP's ex, as, like many others have said, I would find it very upsetting and stressful to have to engage in any way at all with someone who has done so much which is very wrong - and TBH, would find it rather frightening.

My opinion of her is utterly based on fact - what I know to be true. Obviously I've heard various anecdotes about their relationship but my feelings towards the woman are based not on that, but on what has happened since I've been with DP. I don't have time to recount all the nastiness and spite, nor the damage it's caused - suffice to say it's been significant - emotionally (her own children are affected too, our relationship has been hugely strained), financially (for us of course, not her) and practically (her motto seems to be if something can be made as difficult as possible then it will be). I know she's dishonest - this has been shown time and again. She can't be trusted one inch. Therefore, please forgive me if I'm not prepared to give her the "benefit of the doubt" - why the bloody hell should I when we have bent over backwards to be as accommodating, as co-operative and as reasonable as we can be, and it's still never good enough .... to the extent that she sees fit to do stuff which has caused long lasting damage to my family. All of it unnecessary.

Apparently, my children are "snivelling bastards" and I'm every variation of a "slag" you can possibly think of. Despite the fact I met DP 2.5 years after they split. She's another whose grass wasn't greener after the breakdown of her relationship (prompted by her affair), and I can only assume that she's so consumed with rage and jealousy that DP's moved on and she hasn't, that she feels her appalling behaviour is somehow justified. We've had years of contact issues and parental alienation to deal with (long story) ... I will never understand why one parent sets out to destroy the relationship between their kids and the other parent, but it's wicked, and never simply sorted. The repercussions are immense.

I also KNOW that all exes aren't like that - not least because I was one myself and I can honestly say hand on heart that I never used my child as a weapon, or dealt with my ex in any way which wasn't courteous, honest and fair. Not because I was a doormat, not because he necessarily "deserved" to be treated like that but because I wanted our split to have as little impact on my child as possible. Believe me, I had a lot more to feel a grudge about than DP's ex did, but I still managed to behave with dignity and fairness.

I still sometimes have to pinch myself even after more than a decade because I find DP's ex's "Eastenders" style behaviour so astonishing - from someone who's supposedly a professional. What's even more astonishing - and infuriating - is how people who behave like that so often "get away with it". There's simply not a good enough "system" in place to deter - for example - stopped contact, or to support children affected by alienation. It feels like she's a whirlwind who's swept through all these other lives causing so much destruction yet isn't held responsible in any way at all for repairing the damage caused. She's not a "stupid" woman - she can't be oblivious to what she's done - yet she simply doesn't care, and I find that scary.

I suspect the only time I'd ever come face to face with her would be at a stepchild's wedding. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it but ATM, the thought makes me feel physically sick.

Kaluki · 09/01/2014 11:05

Step mooster - do you know my DPs ex? You described her perfectly!
What I will never understand is that it was HER choice to end their marriage. She left DP for her other man and they are now married with 2 more kids - she should be happy shouldn't she?
I think she was quite secure all the time DP was broken hearted and single but when he met me she hated it. She acts as though she's jealous of me/us but she doesn't want him!!!
Crazy crazy woman!!'Confused

shey02 · 09/01/2014 11:29

catsmother, you hit the nail on the head with many things you said.

My dp exw is just angry that he moved on and she is alone and probably hates herself and him just as much as she did through those years of marriage to my dp. She punishes us all.

I was hurt after my marriage ended, but my dc's happiness is everything to me and so is MY peace of mind and calm. Choice; become a hater, turn my dc into haters, or not........?!? We have reached our peace about their father's behaviour and we get on well now. My dc are respectful of his girlfriend, even though they have every reason to dislike her. I would not want my dc to behave like that ever and would not want them to feel in any way conflicted or angry. We have parented them so that they can be the happiest they can be and love us both. I just wish others could do the same for those they claim to love above all else. Is it that hard, to put these little people before our own pain, our own sadness. For me it was not, it was a no brainer.

Libby10 · 09/01/2014 18:45

Stepmooster - bang on with your description. DP always says his ex was as nice as pie until he dared go on a date with another woman.

I don't know everything his ex thinks and feels but would not have to spend too much time to come up with a list of the threats she has made, the lies she had told and I could go on. I can honestly say that when I first met her I did so with an open mind. Several years later I am just tired of trying to understand her behaviour.

ReindeerBollocks · 09/01/2014 19:13

I am the mum in this situation - I have always tried to be pleasant to Ex's new partner. To be fair we have been separated for a long time now and are civil, nearly friendly!

My Ex's current girlfriend is lovely. She isn't necessarily similar to me, but she is good to my son and for that she deserves my utmost respect. I've always tried to be nice even if Ex and I disagree about aspects of our DS.

Personally, I always thought it was vital for me to be open and welcoming - she is sharing part of her life with DS, and was entering a complicated situation, which would mean that she was more unsure as to how it would pan out, surely it's only fair to put her at ease.

I feel sorry for either side when emotions take over and cause unpleasantness. I'd hate for Ex's partner to think about me in the way the OP does about the ExW. Equally it doesn't mean that things have been easy - I'm sure Ex has informed her about our relationship from his pov. But she has always reciprocated any gestures and pleasantries. Maybe we are lucky, it just seems a shame more Ex's can't put their feelings aside and be at least civil when a new partner is introduced. Would cause less ill feeling all round.

Loveineveryspoonful · 09/01/2014 19:37

Reindeer, I'm totally with you on treating the sm with respect.
I only met ds sm after exh and she got married! I'd known about her of course because ds always said nice things about her and I didn't want to interfere or appear nosey, and I was both touched and appalled when I found out, touched because my ex had wanted to spare my feelings, after all he'd moved on and I hadn't even wanted to date! and appalled at the possibility anyone thought I'd lose my rag or something?! There was great relief all around when we met, although even if I'd have hated her I wouldn't have let on, ds clearly likes her and she's really kind and thoughtful. Like another mn posting about her dd and dd sm, I feel we're a team.
Unfortunately all thoughts of chumminess with dh exw evaporated within 2 seconds of meeting her: she insisted on meeting me with her dc after only 2 months of us dating (at an event dh was involved in due to hobby), had primed the dc so that dd wouldn't even talk to me at said event, ds was prepared to make small talk... And tried every sneaky tactic to break us up (like threatening to have ds live with his dad, which ironically came to pass anyway this year, his wish, not hers).
All in all, after 4 yrs, I'd say she wishes to appear as horrid and frightening as possible to maintain some kind of alpha status Hmm

Eliza22 · 10/01/2014 08:40

I react physically, in the way you describe when I inadvertently bump into my dh's ex wife.

I have a workable relationship with my ex's partner. I know that when ds is grown up (he's 13) we will all be able to attend events/get on/behave well, for ds. However, my DH and his ex-wife are an altogether different story. I remember, before DH and I married 4 yrs ago, asking if it'd be a good idea to be introduced to the woman as we live in a small market town only 5 minutes from each other. It never happened. Dh's ex had an affair which ended their marriage and DH considers there's no reason to speak to her, at all. So, for nearly 5 yrs, we've walked past each other. We both know who the other is and the first time it happened I smiled and was about to say hello but she looked at me like muck, and walked away.

It's rather sad. I'm NOT allowed to attend things with DH and his 3 kids (now all adults); I have a sd who will have little to do with her dad as she hates me so much (and who also looks at me like muck). Graduations, weddings, christenings....whatever. All impossible. It's all so childish.

LtEveDallas · 10/01/2014 08:58

I've been in DHs life for 13 years now, been in DSDs life for 12 years and been married to DH for 10 years. Our own DD is nearly 9, DSD is now 18.

In all those years I have seen DH Ex once, spoken to her twice and had one text conversation.

It suits me down to the ground Grin

(I've heard things from other people of course, and have had the lies passed across via DSD, but I have never reacted (other than to put DSD right, with proof). I have always been perfectly polite about her to mutual friends, to DSD and so on and have saved my seething for MN and DH. It means that DSD trusts me more than her mother, the Ex's friends have dropped away from her, her friends are fine with me, her family have no issue with me and her current boyfriend just looks confused when confronted with DH and I Grin)

BrevilleTron · 10/01/2014 13:51

I think lovin may have been referring to me. I'm the mum and I adore my DD's stepmum.
She is the right woman for my ex and has been the making of him. He is now the man he always could have been (but not with me)
We have never had a cross word in 8 years since she met him. She treats me very well, keeps me informed about DD and is one of those people that it's impossible not to like.

She's my friend and I'm so lucky she's my DD's step mum
I saw their wedding pics and just thought she looked beautiful and they looked so good together.
She also produces adorable children!

catsmother · 10/01/2014 14:13

That's really nice to read Breville - for all concerned. Shows it can be done if all parties involved make an effort. You sound lovely too, to readily acknowledge your DD's stepmum's good qualities.

shey02 · 10/01/2014 18:31

Breville, what a lovely situation. :)

TheMumsRush · 10/01/2014 19:06

Breville, I would love a situation like that, and by god I've tried! Just when things seem to be ok something totally out the blue will make me realise it's not Sad BUT, it could be worse. At the moments it's nothing (and that's fine) no real feeling either way.....at least on my part. I won't push it, it's been 5 years, I settle for no real view than being difficult, poisoning and game playing

BrevilleTron · 11/01/2014 12:15

Thanks MN'rs. I'm really lucky I know.
Think it helps that we all agree
DD gets ONE childhood
Nobody is allowed to fuck it up for her with stupid issues of their own. We all got to have a childhood.
She isn't a possession or a pawn or a puppet

She is a person.

LillyL · 11/01/2014 22:11

Riverboat and Mint - great posts to read.

I will be honest - I first saw DP's ex wife last spring and was horrified at how awful I felt. I felt like a teenager...and not in a good way! After seeing her, I forgot how she looked (just a woman!) and turned her into a supermodel lookalike in my head...younger than me, fit, toned, blonde...and with her French accent, I felt like walking away as I convinced myself that she wanted DP back.

I spent most of last year hiding when I knew she'd be within 100 yards of where I was. Rather pathetic...I even felt threatened by her being able to communicate with DP without the drama and anger that I've had with my ex husband.

Over Christmas she came to our home to collect the children...and I hid in my office, pretending to be busy... :( After she left, my sister told me I was a total coward...I spoke to a friend about hiding in my office and she told me how being friendly with the SC's mum in her own situation had made everything much better and saved her a whole lot of stress! She also pointed out that it would benefit the children to see us both getting on - after all, she is their mum!

I have no reason to dislike her - what happened before I met DP is none of my business, it's theirs. We were both single when we met. In fact, I've met her parents several times and they treat me like one of the family. DP's ex and her mother both said to other family members that I am a lovely woman and that I am perfect for my DP and it's good to see him happy and settled.

Fast forward to two days later when we collected the children from their mum's house.. I smiled the biggest smile I could, stood tall, and chatted to her for around 20 minutes, making eye contact and smiling during the conversation! I felt so much better afterwards - and looking at her I managed to imprint onto my mind that she is not a supermodel nor an evil woman, she's just a mum like me. It wasn't easy but I think it will get easier in the future... :)

shey02 · 13/01/2014 09:02

Hardest thing for me is that the dpexw talks and gossips so much about me to others and lies to the dpc. She wages a battle for loyalty through intimidation. I say nothing to anyone, other than recently, anonymously on here, because I've been struggling.

We should have started with a clean slate, should have been no baggage, should have been able to be friendly.... at the point that I met her, no one had done anything bad to one another, nothing. It is simply jealousy that he has moved on and is happy and she is not. Or it is something else, either way, we have not wronged her and I am proud in ourselves for that.

Of course I am bitter now, of course I dislike her now as it has affected my relationship with the dpc and with my dp... which most probably she would be very, very happy about. Sad. So when I do see here, I smile my biggest smile, my most friendly 'hi, how's it going?', because I know I will be ignored and that is how it goes every time.

stepmooster · 13/01/2014 11:56

Hi OP how did it go? Was thinking about you last week and hoping things went well Thanks

notthegirlnextdoor · 20/01/2014 17:41

Gosh these stories sound awful.

I've not had any contact with DHs ex (they split up 10 years ago and she's since re-married and had 2 more kids) as they live 2 bus rides away so DH makes the 4 hour round trip on his own on Fri & Sun. Occasionally MIL will take DSS home in the car or pick him up when weather is bad is she isn't working.

DH also had another a child with another woman who sadly died of SIDS at 4 weeks old and she moved to the other end of the country after they split up and so I've not met her (although my sister has the same circle of friends and has occasionally spoken to her when they've been out)

Also I haven't met my exs new partner (I say new, they've been together 18 months "officially" but I know he was seeing her before we split up, on our family holiday in Spain he was glued to his phone, and he's a serial cheat so I knew the signs - I kicked him out when we got home) He infuriated me by introducing her to them on Boxing Day - they'd "officially" been together for 6 months - without my knowledge. I didn't even know he had a girlfriend. The kids had seen her several times before DD blurted it out during bath time mid-January. Obviously I was furious, especially when I learned she was 19 and figured out quickly she was the one hed been screwing. I had a bit of a rant, said he was rude, inconsiderate and had no respect for me as their mother, and then said that as long as she was nice to my kids there was no problem. (Problems did later surface, such as not paying CS so he could take her abroad, cancelling contact cos there was a "a banging night out we want to go on" however the last 6 months it has drastically improved)

notthegirlnextdoor · 20/01/2014 17:49

Posted too soon !

As a kid my Dads 2nd wife was an absolute monster. Hated me and my siblings, openly. Yet had 3 kids of her own who visited regularly (we saw him once a month) and all she would do was call my Mum names - For a 9, 7 and 5 year old, it was deeply unpleasant. My Mum was also just as bad and constantly slagged my Dad off. It was a nightmare. Step dad was the same, gobby and unpleasant and said horrid things about my Dad (yet DSD had 4 kids from previous relationship that he NEVER saw or paid child support for, pot kettle black)

After my nightmare childhood I decided I would never be rude or unpleasant about ex or his new partner in front of my kids. So far I have managed to keep and direct all my anger at ex Wink and it is far more satisfying, hehehe. We have no problems with DHs ex because we have DSS a lot - Fri-Sun every other weekend and all of each half term and at least half of all other holidays, and pay child support regularly.

Fingers crossed it stays like this...

impatienceisavirtue · 20/01/2014 19:19

stepmooster you could have been talking word for word about Dh's Exw.

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