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I feel like an outsider in my own home

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MrsWickens · 23/11/2013 19:38

Does anyone else feel like this when your OH's children are with you? We have the boys (12 year old twins) every weekend and I always feel in the way. I take myself out to do food shopping or visit my mum for as long as possible because the atmosphere in the house is horrible. The looks, the sneers, the rudeness all make it incredibly uncomfortable to be at home on the weekend. It has been over a year now and has got worse not better.

I have been nice, I have been indifferent, I have expressed my displeasure at their rudeness but they just don't care. Their dad has spoken to them but as soon as he is out of earshot or eyeshot they are back to their 'delightful' selves but of course deny everything if I say anything and I really don't want to get into a he said this he said that mentality.

My two boys (15 and 16) live with us 24/7 because their own dad doesn't bother seeing them sadly. They like my boyfriend and treat him with such respect. I don't know what to do to get even half the respect from his twin boys.

Has anyone else experienced this? What did you do?

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NoAddedSuga · 23/11/2013 19:42

Yep i ve had this.

Hated being at home when the sc was there. I used to go out for the day. Dh had them every saturday for the day. They arrived at 10am, and left at 6.30pm

I left the house at 10.15am and got back at 7pm

I did it all through my pregnancy, with severe spd. Absolutely hated it.

CoconutRing · 23/11/2013 19:46

Do they want to spend time with you and their dad? Are they being rude because the visits are forced on them?

birdybear · 23/11/2013 19:49

i have this too. i have tried everything but now dissociated with them. i say hello and goodbye, i talk to them if they join in a conversation with my dh but they NEVER start any conversation with me and older one precedes every sentence with dad, just so i don't reply presumably. Even things that it would be most obvious to ask me , or asks everyone else but not me .

i hate this situation and hate adjoining in my own house with two people that don't speak to me but i don't know how to change it. they certainly don't want to. i hide in my bedroom a lot.

MrsWickens · 23/11/2013 20:03

CoconutRing I don't think they are forced to come. I'm not involved in the arrangements at all. It is only me they are rude to, not my sons or their dad, just me.

I hide in my bedroom too birdybear it's horrible isn't it. They do the same thing with me too starting every sentence with Daddy just so I don't answer. Also tell me it's Daddy's house not mine.

NoAddedSuga I think I may have to start going out first thing and coming home in the evening too. I just need to find something to do when I'm out.

Thank you for replying. It helps.

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NoAddedSuga · 23/11/2013 20:09

I remember saying hello and being greeted with a silent, long stare response.

I also spent time in the bedroom if i had nowhere to go, i got sky multiroom for that reason!

I used to hate having to find something to do every sat, the week went so fast!

Petal02 · 23/11/2013 20:11

I tried all the usual things, I tried to stay out the house as much as possible, but access went from thurs 4pm til Sun 6pm EOW, with a midweek night when it wasn't "our" weekend, and staying out the house for all that time is almost impossible.

I tried staying upstairs out the way, but that was pretty miserable.

Access weekends are generally rubbish, I don't think anyone's found a "cure" yet .......

MrsWickens · 23/11/2013 20:16

It's a shame no-one has found a 'cure' yet Petal02 whoever does will be a saviour to step parents the world over!

Yep, the stares are unnerving NoAddedSuga and the week does go incredibly fast while the weekend drags.

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Petal02 · 23/11/2013 20:16

PS - also, the dynamics in the house changed on access weekends. When DSS arrived, he and DH took on the role of "Mr and Mrs" leaving me displaced not really knowing where I fitted in (well actually my role was relegated to domestic service). I went from being "in the team" to "on the subs bench" and it sucked.

One evening this summer, DH texted me to say that he and DSS had decided to hold a BBQ, and I was invited. WTF?????

NoAddedSuga · 23/11/2013 20:19

Petal

Are things still the same?

AngryBeaver · 23/11/2013 20:22

Ok. I understand, from the point of an adult.
But also, from the point of a step child, have been one.

It's bloody hard you know?
Hard to accept that your family has changed.
Hard to accept that your dad lives somewhere else, often with other children.
Hard to feel you must remain loyal to your mum.
Really hard to have to go and spend all day somewhere that's not your home.

I hated it.

And if you, as a step mum, go out, or hide in your room, and don't make the effort.
That compounds all these difficult feelings.

Remember that they are just children, who have been hurt and disillusioned, and are trying to adjust.

They might say horrible things, or give you the evil eye, but you have to be the bigger person here.

You presumably got into this knowing that your husband had children?

So, I'm afraid that was the deal.

I'm sure they feel just as awkward being in your home as you do having them there.
It's your job to help them feel more settled, imo.

Good luck Smile

MrsWickens · 23/11/2013 20:23

Yes Petal02 the dynamics of the house change completely. I go from being able to make decisions to being the domestic!

How is everything now?

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Petal02 · 23/11/2013 20:27

angrybeaver, ah - the "you knew what you were getting into" line ...... Actually, I don't think any of us knew what we were getting into, or we'd never have got into it!

noaddedsugar DSS went away to Uni in September, he's approx 3 hours away now. There is a god!

Petal02 · 23/11/2013 20:30

mrswickens, you're absolutely right, you lose your decision-making position, you get knocked right down the household pecking order. It's not natural.

MrsWickens · 23/11/2013 20:32

AngryBeaver I have spent so long making an effort, buying the food that they like, making sure everything was just right for them. I have tried so hard for a year of weekend visits to make sure that they felt comfortable in our home. They got to choose their bedroom first out of us all when we moved. They got to decide a lot of things to make sure they felt part of the family.

Also, their parents had split up years before I met their dad. Their mother remarried 5 years ago and they live with her and their stepdad. All these changes happened years before they met me. I was nothing to do with the split. Their behaviour has managed to split their dad up from a previous girlfriend because she didn't want to make the effort and they were just the same with her as with me.

I promise you I have tried my hardest. My children don't behave like this towards my boyfriend. They are polite and show him respect. They are also step children but don't behave rudely. They have come from ten years of having me all to themselves and now have to share me with other people but don't behave badly.

However, this isn't a tit for tat. I was just wondering how other people felt or whether I was wrong to feel like it. It seems like I'm not the only one.

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NoAddedSuga · 23/11/2013 20:33

Petal

Is there no more step children coming to stay?

Glad things are better.

Actually, you dont know what you are getting into.

You dont know how hard it is until its too late to change your mind.

But its not just the children, its the ex constantly around for years and years, making snide remarks, sending argumentative emails, texts and so on.

Its hell.

Petal02 · 23/11/2013 20:55

There are no more step children coming through. It was a challenging chapter of my life.

Catnap26 · 23/11/2013 20:55

Mrswickens can I offer some advice as a step child (all my life with numerous step moms).i don't know if this will help but if this is your house and not your partners then when they visit please don't disappear set your authority.not in a disciplinary way but stop trying so hard just let them know that this is your or your and your partners house and you have certain rules/expectations.stop letting them treat you so badly.i don't know if I am explaining myself very well but there comes a point when the step children have to just move on and stop treating you like 'the evil one' who took their dad away from them.it sounds to me like you have been a very caring step mum and you should not have to feel so uncomfortable in your own home.im sorry I'm not explaining myself very well but from experience I respected my first step mum a whole lot more when she put in boundaries.

TheCrumpetQueen · 23/11/2013 21:01

This is so sad :( I cannot imagine treating my stepmum like this. She came into my life when I was 6 years old and I treated her with respect and she did me.

Could all the avoidance mean they aren't 'forced' to make an effort with you? If you were there all the time (which you should be, it's your home) then they might get more used to you?

If a child treated me rudely I would expect my partner to pull them up on it or they wouldn't be welcome. I would tell my h to tell their mother too. Sounds like they need to learn some manners and common decency.

chickensaresafehere · 23/11/2013 21:07

Been there,done that . . . .
Sorry to say it didn't improve for me,and believe me,I tried my best.I very rarely see my dh's boys now as they are teenagers.Its sad as I wish I had a better relationship with them,but looking back I did all I could.I just hope they will mellow as they get older.I'm always open to them.Step-parenting is a mine-field.Good Luck!

AngryBeaver · 23/11/2013 22:23

Well, you DID know that you would be taking on someone's kids and that it wouldn't be easy!
So, sorry, but you did know what you were getting in to.

I
Look, I'm not saying it's easy.
My stepdad was a total bastard who called me "stupid child" for the duration of their marriage.
I loathed him with a passion.

My mum was lovely to his kids, they were polite in return.

I was a bitch to them because I had such feelings of resentment to their dad.

They hated coming every Saturday. I hated them coming.
It was horrid for everyone.

I think then if you've tried for over a year, the dad needs to step in and have a stern word.

Then all try again.

CountryGal13 · 24/11/2013 00:14

AngryBeaver - I can honestly say, the reality of being a step parent is nothing like I imagined it would be at all! My parents went through a messy divorce when I was a teen but I still couldn't have predicted all the emotionaI
problems my eldest sd would have.
Mrs Wickin's, your situation sounds unbearable. I also feel awkward and unwanted when my teenage step daughters visit. For a long time they ignored my hello's and this would make me feel upset and defensive right from the get go. Now, if I'm ignored, I'll say 'hello xx' looking directly at them so they can't ignore me. My sd's also say 'dad' at the start of every sentence so I feel like I'm not included. I can't enjoy their visits because I just feel unwanted in my own home where as I'm so happy when it's just me, hubby and our lo.
Although I know they have their issues with me, my dsc would never be so blatantly rude to me as yours have been. (not to my face anyway) There's just no excuse for their behavior.
I've found this thread really comforting (that I'm not alone in feeling like this) and also it's really interesting to hear a step childs view of the situation...I also hide it in my room a lot trying to give the dsc time alone with their dad and also because the atmosphere is so awkward down there! It's interestesting to hear that this might not be the best thing to do.

santandhishappybandofelves · 24/11/2013 00:21

my step children treated me like shit, for years IN MY HOUSE THAT I OWNED FOR YEARS - they were encouraged to by their mother.

I am still married to their dad, but - encouraged by their mother, their treating people like shite eventually extended to their father.

I eventually put my foot down and banned them from my house (HOORAY) and their relationship with their father is maintained away from me and my children, who I felt were being damaged by seeing their step monsters get away with murder.

I hopefully will never ever have to see them again.

And before anyone criticises me, I bent over forwards, backwards, upside down, I spent my own money on them, I fed and clothed them, I did EVERYTHING for them, they threw it all back in my face - for years and years and years. Now they are adults - nasty, horrible selfish adults who lie to their mother in the same way she encouraged them to lie to their dad.

santandhishappybandofelves · 24/11/2013 00:22

And no I had no idea what I was getting into - I blame their mother though, as a parent, I would be MORITIFIED if my DS spoke to his fathers partner the way they spoke to me and if ex appraoched me to talk about DS being rude, I wouldn't deal with it by saying he had to allow it or they wouldn't come.

catsmother · 24/11/2013 00:45

No, AngryBeaver, nobody knows - for sure - what they might be getting into. That's such a sweeping generalisation and I've always felt it is, actually, rather insulting towards those exes and stepchildren (because it's usually rolled out in relation to both) who do make an effort, who do behave reasonably and fairly etc ...... because, otherwise, you might as well say - in relation to any complaint about stepfamily issues - that exes and first children are always justified in behaving badly.

As the OP's explained, her kids behave reasonably and politely towards their stepparent. As do many other stepchildren towards theirs. And of course there are lots of exes who also behave reasonably following a split. It simply isn't good enough to brush aside rudeness, dishonesty, disrespect and so on with "you knew what you were getting into" ..... as if that simple sentence somehow makes all those traits okay. It really pretty much misses the point - like having people be deliberately rude to you is acceptable because you apparently "knew" how things were going to be !

Now obviously, there will be some family setups where stepkids feel justified in being rude or disrespectful .... where they've been treated badly by their stepparent. That's understandable. And I think it's also fair to say that maybe in the early stages of getting to know each other stepchildren might also play up - and the vast majority of adults would appreciate it was due to insecurity and make allowances for a time while things settle down. But years on - when your stepchildren still barely acknowledge you, or when pointed references are made (by kids who are old enough to know better) on a regular basis about "dad's house" .... well, there's no excuse for that. It's plain insolence.

I grant you that only a twit would imagine that taking on someone else's kids would be easy. Most of us fully appreciated it wouldn't be easy .... it stands to reason that there will probably be differences of opinion between how you think kids should be brought up vs either their mother or father's (or both) ideas, you worry about overstepping, you want to be friends - but you don't want to "replace" their mother, you know there'll be practical issues to cope with (accommodating everyone, meals, transportation) ..... I could go on (and on). What you DON'T necessarily imagine however is exactly how unreasonable, unpleasant and stressful situations will actually manifest themselves. Why would most ordinary normal people anticipate scenarios which, at time, are reminiscent of an Eastenders' episode ? If, after a handful of dates with DP, I'd finished things and told him I didn't want to take it any further because I feared that his ex would turn out to be a total bitch and that his kids would become manipulative thoughtless brats in the future, he would have thought me completely mad - and very rude ! Yet, people like me - i.e. stepmothers and "second" wives are regularly told when we complain that we "knew what we were getting into" !! There's a huge difference between being open minded and prepared for some teething difficulties in establishing a new family dynamic and knowing what will actually happen. Whilst adults should of course be prepared to make allowances for children (who of course would never have chosen for their parents to split) just when do you say enough is enough ? Does being a stepchild (or an ex) give you carte blanche to behave badly forever more ? At what age should a child start to accept some responsibility for their own actions - rather than be "let off the hook" because they are a stepchild ? ......

...... there's another thread running here ATM where one poor stepmother has suffered appalling rudeness from one of her stepmother for years, and for no good reason. This "child" is now an adult and still refuses to acknowledge her father's wife's existence. But hey - she knew what she was getting into so she shouldn't object.

I can categorically state I did NOT know what I was getting into. The stuff that's happened for well over a decade was stuff I'd never have anticipated because it was totally outside my sphere of experience. Even now, I still don't know anyone in real life who's gone through similar stuff ..... if the internet didn't exist, I'd feel totally isolated, because it's only through there that I've managed to seek out other women who understand, and who don't immediately write me off as some sort of wicked stepmother stereotype for having the temerity to criticise my stepchildren. My own personal mistake, when I met DP, was to assume that I did have a reasonable idea of what I might be getting into because my own oldest child was a stepchild, following his father's remarriage, and everyone had pretty much got on with the situation amicably and with his best interests at heart - so there hadn't really been much difficulty, and my son seemed content and accepting of the situation. As a mother who'd put aside some of my own feelings in order to make things as easy as possible for her child, I simply hadn't imagined that another woman in the same position wouldn't do the same .... I never imagined that a responsible mother would use her children as weapons for example, nor did I imagine that the same mother would actively encourage bad behaviour from her children in order to "get" at her ex (and me) .... which you make allowances for when they're very young but it's a lot less "acceptable" when you have older teenagers still doing the same thing. So no, I didn't know - and if I had known, I'd have run for the hills.

Anyway - back to the OP ! I know it's very difficult because as you say you don't want to get into a your word against theirs situation .... though frankly, if you're telling your partner that "this" is what's happened, he should believe you - unless you have history of being a liar. I'd lay it on the line with him - say that when he's not around you're subjected to sneers and rudeness - which can't be nice for anyone, them included - and that he needs to try and keep on top of this. E.g. if you have cause to tell them off when he's not there, he needs to accept that you have good reason to do so, and needs to back you up re: consequences (obviously you can both discuss and agree what's suitable punishment for various misdemeanours). He could also try being more observant - many parents are very reluctant to actually see what's going on in front of their eyes because they don't want to "spoil" contact time with discipline. Maybe he could also try talking to his kids about you - not necessarily in a direct "why are you so rude to MrsW" (unless he's caught them in the act, when it would be justified) but more generally - ask them how they think things are going re: the new family setup .... I dunno, just try to get a feel for what they think, and give them an opportunity to air any "grievances" without asking them whether or not they like you. This might then give him the chance to refute any misunderstandings that could explain the rudeness, or otherwise, the chance for him to emphasise that although he doesn't expect them to fawn over you he does expect a minimum level of good manners and respect.

Bottom line though, if, hand on heart, you feel you've been fair to them and have made the effort to include them and welcome them, and yet they're still being rude and, their father isn't doing enough to nip it in the bud, then you must stand up for yourself (and make it clear to DH that if he won't tackle the issue, he can at least support you when you do it instead) and call them on it. Many kids deny whatever it is they're being told off about - doesn't mean they didn't do it. You might find that if you consistently stand up for yourself that they'll snap out of it .... maybe they keep being rude because they know they can often get away with it and they're pushing boundaries, seeing how far they can go.

But whatever the ins and outs of it, it's bloody rotten to feel pushed out in your own home. I hope you can sort something out. 12 year olds should be capable of maintaining a minimum level of good manners .... I'd have felt shocked and disappointed in my oldest if he'd been deliberately rude to his stepmum on a regular basis as that wasn't how I'd brought him up. Unless you're a monster and you've not been honest with us (!!) then you shouldn't have to put up with this.

catsmother · 24/11/2013 00:49

.... should read "appalling rudeness from one of her stepchildren"