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Football frustrations - 17 yo daughter - anyone with similar experiences?

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Stereoworld · 13/10/2025 11:02

My daughter has just turned 17. She has been playing football since she was 6, the last 3 years in JPL (Junior Premier League) teams. She is very passionate about her football and a technically skilled player who plays football 4-5 days a week (training and matches). From when they turn 16, girls can play in women‘s teams, and my daughter was keen to give it a go. She went to a trial with a big club who has several women‘s teams. She was invited to an extended trial during pre-season and at the end was offered a place with their 1st women’s team. She was so happy! The team just had a new manager who had been recruited from another club.

Things were ok at the beginning, she really enjoyed the training, made friends and got a decent amount of match minutes (about half of each match which she was happy with - it is a large team). She played well and, using her technical skills, could certainly hold her own against physically stronger adult players. She hasn‘t missed a single training session so far but had to decline one match due to a school trip that had been arranged a long time before she joined the team. She informed the team manager with plenty of notice and an explanation of why she couldn’t attend. It is a big team and they have plenty of players, so she didn’t let anyone down.

On return from her trip the manager hardly played her anymore. She endlessly sat on the bench, getting about 10-15 min at the end of matches. No communication from the manager who stood next to her for 90 min everytime, totally ignoring her. Once she was asked to get on the pitch without notice, had not warmed up, and was then shouted at for not moving faster. She said she was really stiff, especially as it was a cold and wet day. I was not happy at all - this is not how you treat your players and it is also a real injury risk. She was in tears in the car afterwards. We encouraged her to speak to the manager so she understands why she doesn‘t get any game time anymore. She finally did (she is a bit shy so found this quite hard, and the manager doesn’t appear particularly approachable). He told her that he didn’t play her because she missed the one match while she was on her school trip! I must say at this point that there are others on the team who rarely attend training, only turn up to occasional (home) matches and then get played the full 90 min. Some of these aren’t fantastic players and it is obvious that their performance suffers from lack of training - yet they get played.

Someone (I think the team captain as well as some of the coaches) approached the manager and told him that he shouldn’t sign up young players and then just let them sit on the bench. After this he played my daughter for one match - she played really well (the head of women’s football for the club watched the match and spoke to both her and us afterwards and said how well she had played). After that she was mostly back on the bench. More tears and total frustration and her confidence is starting to suffer.

My husband is starting to get annoyed (matches often involve a lot of travel, sometimes 2 hours+ each way, be there 1.5 h before the match, match time, de-brief after - wiping out most of our Sundays). He wanted to send a message to the manager asking for the reason for not playing our daughter. I stopped him from sending the message - this is women’s football and I think our daughter is old enough to have the conversation herself. I didn’t think it was appropriate for us as parents to get involved at this point. I gave my daughter a big hug, told her that she played well in the few minutes she was given at the end of the last match (which is true), encouraged her to speak to the manager again (she said she would) but also said to her that this may just not be the right team for her - if it makes her so unhappy and frustrated perhaps it is time to look for an alternative (unfortunately not many options in our semi-rural area). I said that it’s her decision but we’d support her with whatever she decides. She fully understands that not everyone gets played all the time, but the lack of obvious reasons and non-existent communication frustrates her. She never experienced anything like this before. Also to add - this is not one of the top tier teams where you would expect managers to be super selective - it is women’s grass roots football.

Interested in thoughts and experiences from others who may have had children/young adults in similar situations.

Sorry for the long post!

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Stereoworld · 14/10/2025 15:39

Fabulously · 13/10/2025 15:33

To be honest I don’t think you gave her entirely right advice. Yes it’s women’s football but there’s a male manager here, who probably would listen to other men above your daughter. So getting a teenage girl to try and reason with a passive aggressive male coach, will have the same result it’s had so far ie him doing what he wants and her feeling sidelined.

Whereas he might change his behaviour if her dad spoke to him, as unfortunate as it is. Some men listen to other men - the fact it’s women’s football doesn’t really change much when there’s a male in power.

I think if he was teaching her a lesson for missing the game and letting the team down, surely she’s learned that lesson now so I’m not sure why he’s still dragging it on. To me it doesn’t suggest he’s a reasonable man that will listen to reason.

Hi @Fabulously - your reply really made me reflect on how to approach the situation. There is definitely a significant power imbalance between the manager and my daughter, and I think he is the type that will listen to other men more than to young women/teenagers. I think I’ll ask her dad to go with her and support her during the discussion.

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Stereoworld · 14/10/2025 15:46

Btp · 13/10/2025 16:01

My son was in a similar situation, he was 16 playing for the first team , his manager was an ex England player, another team came in to sign him, the manager refused to allow him to transfer but also refused to pick him , so the only team he could play for was the under 18s for the rest of the season

@Btp That’s terrible, I am sorry this happened to your son. Hope he found a new team that values and plays him more once he was able to transfer.
They did suggest to my daughter that she could play with their U18s if she wanted more game time but she is already playing in a U18 JPL team for another club on Saturdays so decided not to.

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Stereoworld · 14/10/2025 15:54

JamieCannister · 13/10/2025 17:25

Fair, I'll shut up.

But however much I was wrong to post without reading in full I do stand by my basic point.

If you want to take sport seriously then you need to give it everything. If you're not neglecting friends, pulling out of commitmnets, and exploiting your familities generousity of time / money to the point you are taking the piss, then you're not dedicated enough.

@JamieCannister I agree with your comment that you need to be dedicated if you want to play sports at a higher level, and my daughter definitely is. She hasn’t missed a single training session or match, apart from the one I mentioned. It was an A- level course trip that had been planned (and paid for) before she was signed by the club. Plus she gave them plenty of notice that she wouldn’t be available. Using this as a reason for not playing someone for 6 or 7 weeks just does not feel right.

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RoverReturn · 14/10/2025 15:56

Sadly sounds like the manager has taken against your dd.

I had experience of this aged 17, not football, but it was a group situation the older male (probably aged 30 or 40) trainer just took against me and I couldn't do anything right. As pp have said its a power imbalance. I put up with stuff at that age, no way would I now.

Can she move clubs? Or as someone suggested possibly he would listen to your dh.

Skybluepinky · 14/10/2025 16:00

Not the right team for her.

Stereoworld · 14/10/2025 16:03

DoggerelBank · 14/10/2025 09:47

My daughter found age 16-18 very difficult for football, but found her groove again at university. Support her to work hard in her studies and choose uni carefully for its football set up as well as its academics.

My DD was at a uni where the girls' team was more successful (higher league etc) than the boys' team, so had better funding and fantastic coaching, team weights sessions etc. Boys' team supported girls' matches and vice versa. !st team and lower teams were very well integrated, with mobility and support between the teams. DD learned a lot from US students there on a sports scholarship. Some students were also playing for the top-tier (in Scotland) local city team. Director of football was adored by all.

Contrast with another uni she went to after this. 1st team women's coach hated 2nd team coach, 2nd team players who 'abandoned' the team to play for the 1sts were vilified, boys' and girls' teams had nothing to do with each other. A shit show in comparison with her first uni and she preferred to play for a town team instead.

@DoggerelBank That’s interesting- we still have a couple of years until she starts uni, but we will definitely do some research. Which uni did your daughter enjoy for its good women’s football setup if you don’t mind me asking?

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mumonthehill · 14/10/2025 16:04

We have had similar with ds and a national coach and it really chips away at their self esteem. For ds it was actually the support of others playing his sport that made him realise it was and is not him it is the coach. This coach has a reputation amongst others too. Ds is now moving clubs and will compete at uni but it was hard as parents to navigate. I really wanted to say something but did not. Ds has used it as motivation to show this coach how good he is, just in another setting. He is still aiming for the national squad. So i would move her and give her a chance to flourish, it is terrible that this is happening to her and should certainly be flagged by her as the reason she is moving on.

JamieCannister · 14/10/2025 16:46

Stereoworld · 14/10/2025 15:54

@JamieCannister I agree with your comment that you need to be dedicated if you want to play sports at a higher level, and my daughter definitely is. She hasn’t missed a single training session or match, apart from the one I mentioned. It was an A- level course trip that had been planned (and paid for) before she was signed by the club. Plus she gave them plenty of notice that she wouldn’t be available. Using this as a reason for not playing someone for 6 or 7 weeks just does not feel right.

My post was a bit pointless give I had not read your whole OP.

I stand by my point that if you want to take sport seriously you really do have to take it 110% seriously (whereas by the sounds of it your daughter is more like 105%!!!) but the fundamental problem sounds like the personalities of some of the staff involved, not your daughter.

JollyLilacBee · 14/10/2025 18:43

Stereoworld · 14/10/2025 15:04

@JollyLilacBee - they do have a reserve team. When she went for her pre-season trial (which was for either team) she was offered a place in the first team but she would have been happy with the reserve team too. We discussed moving to the reserve team now but she said it would feel like a ‘failure’ to her if she moved now. Agree that minutes aren’t guaranteed, she knew that when she signed up, I think she is mostly frustrated by the lack of explanation from the manager about what to improve or do differently…despite asking for feedback several times in training.

I think if she is unwilling to move to the reserve team, or the u18 team she has been offered a place in, the only thing she can do is fight for her place. I think the fact that they’ve offered her a place in the U18 team for her to get more minutes, shows that this is where they see her playing atm. I would encourage her to take their offer, or look for a lower ability women’s team where she will be guaranteed minutes

HoppyToad · 14/10/2025 19:57

I'm really sorry to hear this, it is unacceptable. I don't have kids, but I have been on the periphery of caring for 16-18yos playing for a Premier League club. Does the club have safeguarding you could talk to - she's under 18 and shouldn't be treated like that. The big club I've been on the outside of listens to parents, you'd hope someone in your daughter's club would understand that she's still young and needing support in such situations - especially given she's being punished for continuing with her education. I hope things get better for her soon.

Stereoworld · 14/10/2025 20:21

JollyLilacBee · 14/10/2025 18:43

I think if she is unwilling to move to the reserve team, or the u18 team she has been offered a place in, the only thing she can do is fight for her place. I think the fact that they’ve offered her a place in the U18 team for her to get more minutes, shows that this is where they see her playing atm. I would encourage her to take their offer, or look for a lower ability women’s team where she will be guaranteed minutes

@JollyLilacBee Sorry I wasn’t very clear. They offered her to play with the U18s for extra minutes but also expect her to play for the first team. The U18s have their matches in the morning, the 1st team in the afternoon, so in theory she could go to both, especially for home games. The dev team play at the same time as the 1st team (Sunday afternoons) so she can’t play for both.

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Whatifitwaseasy · 30/01/2026 18:00

I'd love to know what happened in the end, as we're now half way through the season. Did your daughter stay or go? I hope the situation was resolved. My own 17 yo daughter had a situation where football has been everything to her and she'd love to make a career of it (even at semi-pro level). She was approached to join a new team and didn't want to miss out on the opportunity but she is not enjoying it. She had been playing for her u18 jpl team and the women's first team at a good level, getting good minutes, but when she was approached to join a higher tier club she felt like it was a good opportunity to progress and that she'd regret it if she didn't seize the opportunity - so, although it was a tough decision, she left to join this new club. Unfortunately training hasn't been as good as it seemed at first (the girls chat so much they don't listen to the coach, which is so frustrating for those who are serious about playing and developing). They're also now playing her out of position and, although she's keen to develop and be flexible so she can contribute wherever, not getting to play to her strengths, her enjoyment has plummeted, which is such a shame given how football has been everything to her since she was 6 too. She's thinking of taking a break but it's so hard as a few months ago football was everything to her.

Whatifitwaseasy · 30/01/2026 18:02

Stereoworld · 13/10/2025 11:02

My daughter has just turned 17. She has been playing football since she was 6, the last 3 years in JPL (Junior Premier League) teams. She is very passionate about her football and a technically skilled player who plays football 4-5 days a week (training and matches). From when they turn 16, girls can play in women‘s teams, and my daughter was keen to give it a go. She went to a trial with a big club who has several women‘s teams. She was invited to an extended trial during pre-season and at the end was offered a place with their 1st women’s team. She was so happy! The team just had a new manager who had been recruited from another club.

Things were ok at the beginning, she really enjoyed the training, made friends and got a decent amount of match minutes (about half of each match which she was happy with - it is a large team). She played well and, using her technical skills, could certainly hold her own against physically stronger adult players. She hasn‘t missed a single training session so far but had to decline one match due to a school trip that had been arranged a long time before she joined the team. She informed the team manager with plenty of notice and an explanation of why she couldn’t attend. It is a big team and they have plenty of players, so she didn’t let anyone down.

On return from her trip the manager hardly played her anymore. She endlessly sat on the bench, getting about 10-15 min at the end of matches. No communication from the manager who stood next to her for 90 min everytime, totally ignoring her. Once she was asked to get on the pitch without notice, had not warmed up, and was then shouted at for not moving faster. She said she was really stiff, especially as it was a cold and wet day. I was not happy at all - this is not how you treat your players and it is also a real injury risk. She was in tears in the car afterwards. We encouraged her to speak to the manager so she understands why she doesn‘t get any game time anymore. She finally did (she is a bit shy so found this quite hard, and the manager doesn’t appear particularly approachable). He told her that he didn’t play her because she missed the one match while she was on her school trip! I must say at this point that there are others on the team who rarely attend training, only turn up to occasional (home) matches and then get played the full 90 min. Some of these aren’t fantastic players and it is obvious that their performance suffers from lack of training - yet they get played.

Someone (I think the team captain as well as some of the coaches) approached the manager and told him that he shouldn’t sign up young players and then just let them sit on the bench. After this he played my daughter for one match - she played really well (the head of women’s football for the club watched the match and spoke to both her and us afterwards and said how well she had played). After that she was mostly back on the bench. More tears and total frustration and her confidence is starting to suffer.

My husband is starting to get annoyed (matches often involve a lot of travel, sometimes 2 hours+ each way, be there 1.5 h before the match, match time, de-brief after - wiping out most of our Sundays). He wanted to send a message to the manager asking for the reason for not playing our daughter. I stopped him from sending the message - this is women’s football and I think our daughter is old enough to have the conversation herself. I didn’t think it was appropriate for us as parents to get involved at this point. I gave my daughter a big hug, told her that she played well in the few minutes she was given at the end of the last match (which is true), encouraged her to speak to the manager again (she said she would) but also said to her that this may just not be the right team for her - if it makes her so unhappy and frustrated perhaps it is time to look for an alternative (unfortunately not many options in our semi-rural area). I said that it’s her decision but we’d support her with whatever she decides. She fully understands that not everyone gets played all the time, but the lack of obvious reasons and non-existent communication frustrates her. She never experienced anything like this before. Also to add - this is not one of the top tier teams where you would expect managers to be super selective - it is women’s grass roots football.

Interested in thoughts and experiences from others who may have had children/young adults in similar situations.

Sorry for the long post!

I'd love to hear how your daughter is getting on and if the situation was resolved. (I realise it's a while ago that you posted though).

Stereoworld · 20/02/2026 19:52

In case anyone wonders where we got to: daughter decided that she wanted to stay with the team. She went to speak to the manager and asked what she needed to do to get more game minutes. Her dad was in the room for support but not close enough to listen to the conversation. Daughter didn’t share with us what was said - but from then on she started to get more minutes, and now she usually gets picked for the starting squad and often plays the whole match. She doesn’t really play any different from before, so no idea what has changed, Perhaps speaking to the manager made him realise that she is serious about her football.

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Mumtofourandnomore · 20/02/2026 21:35

That’s a great update - I replied to your original post and am glad she was able to speak to her coach directly. Hopefully she can build her confidence and that in turn will improve her performance even further.

My daughter is enjoying her team sport this year after a really tough year last year. They do learn resilience, even if it’s tough at the time !

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