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Football frustrations - 17 yo daughter - anyone with similar experiences?

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Stereoworld · 13/10/2025 11:02

My daughter has just turned 17. She has been playing football since she was 6, the last 3 years in JPL (Junior Premier League) teams. She is very passionate about her football and a technically skilled player who plays football 4-5 days a week (training and matches). From when they turn 16, girls can play in women‘s teams, and my daughter was keen to give it a go. She went to a trial with a big club who has several women‘s teams. She was invited to an extended trial during pre-season and at the end was offered a place with their 1st women’s team. She was so happy! The team just had a new manager who had been recruited from another club.

Things were ok at the beginning, she really enjoyed the training, made friends and got a decent amount of match minutes (about half of each match which she was happy with - it is a large team). She played well and, using her technical skills, could certainly hold her own against physically stronger adult players. She hasn‘t missed a single training session so far but had to decline one match due to a school trip that had been arranged a long time before she joined the team. She informed the team manager with plenty of notice and an explanation of why she couldn’t attend. It is a big team and they have plenty of players, so she didn’t let anyone down.

On return from her trip the manager hardly played her anymore. She endlessly sat on the bench, getting about 10-15 min at the end of matches. No communication from the manager who stood next to her for 90 min everytime, totally ignoring her. Once she was asked to get on the pitch without notice, had not warmed up, and was then shouted at for not moving faster. She said she was really stiff, especially as it was a cold and wet day. I was not happy at all - this is not how you treat your players and it is also a real injury risk. She was in tears in the car afterwards. We encouraged her to speak to the manager so she understands why she doesn‘t get any game time anymore. She finally did (she is a bit shy so found this quite hard, and the manager doesn’t appear particularly approachable). He told her that he didn’t play her because she missed the one match while she was on her school trip! I must say at this point that there are others on the team who rarely attend training, only turn up to occasional (home) matches and then get played the full 90 min. Some of these aren’t fantastic players and it is obvious that their performance suffers from lack of training - yet they get played.

Someone (I think the team captain as well as some of the coaches) approached the manager and told him that he shouldn’t sign up young players and then just let them sit on the bench. After this he played my daughter for one match - she played really well (the head of women’s football for the club watched the match and spoke to both her and us afterwards and said how well she had played). After that she was mostly back on the bench. More tears and total frustration and her confidence is starting to suffer.

My husband is starting to get annoyed (matches often involve a lot of travel, sometimes 2 hours+ each way, be there 1.5 h before the match, match time, de-brief after - wiping out most of our Sundays). He wanted to send a message to the manager asking for the reason for not playing our daughter. I stopped him from sending the message - this is women’s football and I think our daughter is old enough to have the conversation herself. I didn’t think it was appropriate for us as parents to get involved at this point. I gave my daughter a big hug, told her that she played well in the few minutes she was given at the end of the last match (which is true), encouraged her to speak to the manager again (she said she would) but also said to her that this may just not be the right team for her - if it makes her so unhappy and frustrated perhaps it is time to look for an alternative (unfortunately not many options in our semi-rural area). I said that it’s her decision but we’d support her with whatever she decides. She fully understands that not everyone gets played all the time, but the lack of obvious reasons and non-existent communication frustrates her. She never experienced anything like this before. Also to add - this is not one of the top tier teams where you would expect managers to be super selective - it is women’s grass roots football.

Interested in thoughts and experiences from others who may have had children/young adults in similar situations.

Sorry for the long post!

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tripleginandtonic · 13/10/2025 11:31

If she's that good I'd just find another team where she csn be the big fish.

Stereoworld · 13/10/2025 12:04

tripleginandtonic · 13/10/2025 11:31

If she's that good I'd just find another team where she csn be the big fish.

I don’t think she wants to be ‘the big fish’ - she wants to continue to improve her football and develop as a player. She thought this team would give her the opportunity to do so - women’s football is quite different from youth football so lots to learn - but you can’t learn and develop if you never get played. Agree with you that moving her may be the best option - it has to be her decision though.

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853ax · 13/10/2025 14:51

Sounds very frustrating for her
Does she still play with an U18 team also ?
Does this club have a player development officer who she can speak to also?

FlyingFox · 13/10/2025 14:58

That is frustrating and I can so understand your husband wanting to get involved, I would too, but like you say she's old enough to have the conversations herself. The Manager is totally out of order for dropping her because she missed one game she had given plenty of notice about! Do the club have a player welfare officer? Or is there a 2nd Manager/Coach of the team who maybe more approachable for a chat? To be honest I'd look at other clubs around too and see what else there is. Alternatively I'd ask the Manager (she would need to ask I guess) for a meeting and talk it through in more detail.

RiseYeSunkenShips · 13/10/2025 14:58

I think you’ve given her good advice, my brother has worked in football teams with players for the last 15 years and I do get the impression that the managers can get a bit of an ego and come across almost manipulative in the way they treat players and staff.

As you have said as this is the women’s team it’s your daughters responsibility to discuss this directly and you can just coach her as best you can to have those difficult conversations. I can see there could be scenarios with her being a young player where it may be appropriate for you to speak to them directly as her parents but I wouldn’t say this is one of those. And if she generally gets the feeling this isn’t for her then definitely look around for other options, no point wasting time being unhappy when there might be something better on the horizon :)

good luck, hope it all works out

ClawedButler · 13/10/2025 15:09

The manager sounds like he sees himself as the next Arsene Wenger. He needs to be reminded that this is a minor, and she has other commitments that trump his wishes for an imaginary professional team who have only the team to think about, ever.

Silly man, bullying a teenage girl because she won't prioritise his team over her schooling.

I'd say to find a different club where they have experience of managing minors and working around their needs.

JollyLilacBee · 13/10/2025 15:17

I would advise looking for a different team, for whatever reason, this manager isn’t wanting to play your daughter. A club will usually back the manager regarding things like this in adult football. Does this club have a reserve team that she could move to? If so, that could be an option for her.

Minutes are rarely guaranteed in adult football unfortunately

Bex071509 · 13/10/2025 15:19

I’m so sorry to hear your daughter is going through this.
we haven’t had exactly the same, but I have to say- kids grassroots footballs has been one of the most political things I have been involved in. Between one of my daughters, & one of my sons playing- I have seen the good, the bad & the damn right awful coaches/managers.
my daughter is actually the same age as yours. She has stuck with her team for U18s, & has decided against women’s for this season.
The reason why I comment is because she did go through a similar season (or actually 2 seasons) that it sounds like your daughter is experiencing. No match game, always subbed (with little/poor explanation). The knock on her confidence was unbelievable, & actually went through to other things in life. When we moved teams, it was like watching a different player. In her old team she lost all confidence- it even appeared she had lost her speed in running, she was making poor choices on the ball & just was like a headless chicken. Once she moved teams, she was back. Playing very well & loving every moment.
if I knew when she was struggling with her old team, that she would be back to her old self once moved, I would have done it sooner.
the issue is with these coaches, although most are ‘volunteers’ they are in a position of power & influence. I’m not saying they go out of their way to make a child’s life miserable, but they don’t have the understanding of how their choices can truly impact the players. & these teams do not have the back ground, welfare staff to support the players.
if I was you, I would move her. It’s still early in the season, Even if the standard isn’t as good, happiness is the key to keep them in sport & encourage their hobbies.
failing that, speak to the club directly. A 16 year old, although coming up to being a young adult, still needs support from their parents at certain time.
Good luck

Fabulously · 13/10/2025 15:33

To be honest I don’t think you gave her entirely right advice. Yes it’s women’s football but there’s a male manager here, who probably would listen to other men above your daughter. So getting a teenage girl to try and reason with a passive aggressive male coach, will have the same result it’s had so far ie him doing what he wants and her feeling sidelined.

Whereas he might change his behaviour if her dad spoke to him, as unfortunate as it is. Some men listen to other men - the fact it’s women’s football doesn’t really change much when there’s a male in power.

I think if he was teaching her a lesson for missing the game and letting the team down, surely she’s learned that lesson now so I’m not sure why he’s still dragging it on. To me it doesn’t suggest he’s a reasonable man that will listen to reason.

Cardinalita90 · 13/10/2025 15:34

How long has this been going on for? If a few weeks I'd give it time but longer than that there's a bigger question of whether you want her having that manager and being in that environment. Other things are bound to come up in future so can she expect to be benched every time?

But yes she needs to have the convo herself.

BanditTheCat · 13/10/2025 15:39

You’re best off finding her a new team. Unless players in her position go on holiday for a couple of weeks or get injured, meaning she’ll get another run in the first XI, sounds like she is (unfairly) consigned to the bench. It’s not worth waiting half or a whole season to find out if things will change, she should change clubs to somewhere that appreciates her, even if they’re not as good a club. If it’s a stepping stone she’ll shine in her new team and an even better one will come along.

Btp · 13/10/2025 16:01

My son was in a similar situation, he was 16 playing for the first team , his manager was an ex England player, another team came in to sign him, the manager refused to allow him to transfer but also refused to pick him , so the only team he could play for was the under 18s for the rest of the season

rockstuckhardplace · 13/10/2025 16:29

I have sporty daughters but not in team sports so not sure how helpful I'll be. I have a friend with a 17 yo footballer DD who has moved to a specialist sport academy for sixth form. She plays in the academy team with others of the same age, but the team seems to play against local women's teams - sounds best of both worlds. I'm not sure an adult team sounds the best place for your daughter.

JamieCannister · 13/10/2025 16:35

No chance of me bothering to read all that, but from the beginning on the post my opinion is that your daughter needs to understand that if you want to take sport to a very high level you need to show 110% commitment, and if you don't then the coaches have no reason to believe you have value.

Danioyellow · 13/10/2025 16:43

JamieCannister · 13/10/2025 16:35

No chance of me bothering to read all that, but from the beginning on the post my opinion is that your daughter needs to understand that if you want to take sport to a very high level you need to show 110% commitment, and if you don't then the coaches have no reason to believe you have value.

Maybe if you had read the post you could have commented something actually relevant.

EarringsandLipstick · 13/10/2025 16:43

JamieCannister · 13/10/2025 16:35

No chance of me bothering to read all that, but from the beginning on the post my opinion is that your daughter needs to understand that if you want to take sport to a very high level you need to show 110% commitment, and if you don't then the coaches have no reason to believe you have value.

Might have been worth reading OP's full post, actually, then you would have the facts.

Janus · 13/10/2025 16:45

JamieCannister · 13/10/2025 16:35

No chance of me bothering to read all that, but from the beginning on the post my opinion is that your daughter needs to understand that if you want to take sport to a very high level you need to show 110% commitment, and if you don't then the coaches have no reason to believe you have value.

If you had read it all it says she’s turned up to every single training session and game except one because she had a school trip booked months before signing for the team. Many other players choose to not go to training and only play home games so they don’t want to travel. Who do you think is more dedicated then?

Hellohelga · 13/10/2025 17:14

I’d move. Football at all levels can be very political. The manager isn’t going to stop being an arse just because you have a chat with him.

Edited to add sorry your daughter had this experience and I hope it doesn’t put her off football.

JamieCannister · 13/10/2025 17:25

EarringsandLipstick · 13/10/2025 16:43

Might have been worth reading OP's full post, actually, then you would have the facts.

Fair, I'll shut up.

But however much I was wrong to post without reading in full I do stand by my basic point.

If you want to take sport seriously then you need to give it everything. If you're not neglecting friends, pulling out of commitmnets, and exploiting your familities generousity of time / money to the point you are taking the piss, then you're not dedicated enough.

Mumtofourandnomore · 13/10/2025 21:16

I think you have two options - your daughter can take a different approach and ask her coach what she needs to work on to get more minutes, literally, after every training session, ask him what went well and what she can develop. I.e. flatter his ego a bit, tell him that she finds his coaching valuable and wants to improve - ask him for very specific feedback. Even if that means gritting her teeth because he’s an arsehole.

Alternatively, look for a new team, because it’s hard to perform well if you aren’t happy and sometimes moving sideways or downwards can move upwards in the long-term, there are plenty of ways to climb a tree.

My daughter plays a different team sport and has had good and bad coaches (from obvious safeguarding risks to sideline volatility) and she’s always played best for coaches who praise and encourage - whilst setting really high standards and specific goals.

Stereoworld · 14/10/2025 08:47

@853ax - Yes she also plays for an U18 JPL team. No problems there at all, she gets plenty of game time.
The women’s team are supposed to have individual player development discussions (I think with the manager) but nothing has happened yet. I will find out whether there is a player development officer at the club, thanks for the suggestion.

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Danioyellow · 14/10/2025 09:44

JamieCannister · 13/10/2025 17:25

Fair, I'll shut up.

But however much I was wrong to post without reading in full I do stand by my basic point.

If you want to take sport seriously then you need to give it everything. If you're not neglecting friends, pulling out of commitmnets, and exploiting your familities generousity of time / money to the point you are taking the piss, then you're not dedicated enough.

And that’s still not in any way relevant to anything that’s happened? Is it your hobby to spout shit to women on forums? No one asked for your opinion on ‘basic points’ of things we aren’t talking about

DoggerelBank · 14/10/2025 09:47

My daughter found age 16-18 very difficult for football, but found her groove again at university. Support her to work hard in her studies and choose uni carefully for its football set up as well as its academics.

My DD was at a uni where the girls' team was more successful (higher league etc) than the boys' team, so had better funding and fantastic coaching, team weights sessions etc. Boys' team supported girls' matches and vice versa. !st team and lower teams were very well integrated, with mobility and support between the teams. DD learned a lot from US students there on a sports scholarship. Some students were also playing for the top-tier (in Scotland) local city team. Director of football was adored by all.

Contrast with another uni she went to after this. 1st team women's coach hated 2nd team coach, 2nd team players who 'abandoned' the team to play for the 1sts were vilified, boys' and girls' teams had nothing to do with each other. A shit show in comparison with her first uni and she preferred to play for a town team instead.

Stereoworld · 14/10/2025 15:04

JollyLilacBee · 13/10/2025 15:17

I would advise looking for a different team, for whatever reason, this manager isn’t wanting to play your daughter. A club will usually back the manager regarding things like this in adult football. Does this club have a reserve team that she could move to? If so, that could be an option for her.

Minutes are rarely guaranteed in adult football unfortunately

@JollyLilacBee - they do have a reserve team. When she went for her pre-season trial (which was for either team) she was offered a place in the first team but she would have been happy with the reserve team too. We discussed moving to the reserve team now but she said it would feel like a ‘failure’ to her if she moved now. Agree that minutes aren’t guaranteed, she knew that when she signed up, I think she is mostly frustrated by the lack of explanation from the manager about what to improve or do differently…despite asking for feedback several times in training.

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Stereoworld · 14/10/2025 15:30

Bex071509 · 13/10/2025 15:19

I’m so sorry to hear your daughter is going through this.
we haven’t had exactly the same, but I have to say- kids grassroots footballs has been one of the most political things I have been involved in. Between one of my daughters, & one of my sons playing- I have seen the good, the bad & the damn right awful coaches/managers.
my daughter is actually the same age as yours. She has stuck with her team for U18s, & has decided against women’s for this season.
The reason why I comment is because she did go through a similar season (or actually 2 seasons) that it sounds like your daughter is experiencing. No match game, always subbed (with little/poor explanation). The knock on her confidence was unbelievable, & actually went through to other things in life. When we moved teams, it was like watching a different player. In her old team she lost all confidence- it even appeared she had lost her speed in running, she was making poor choices on the ball & just was like a headless chicken. Once she moved teams, she was back. Playing very well & loving every moment.
if I knew when she was struggling with her old team, that she would be back to her old self once moved, I would have done it sooner.
the issue is with these coaches, although most are ‘volunteers’ they are in a position of power & influence. I’m not saying they go out of their way to make a child’s life miserable, but they don’t have the understanding of how their choices can truly impact the players. & these teams do not have the back ground, welfare staff to support the players.
if I was you, I would move her. It’s still early in the season, Even if the standard isn’t as good, happiness is the key to keep them in sport & encourage their hobbies.
failing that, speak to the club directly. A 16 year old, although coming up to being a young adult, still needs support from their parents at certain time.
Good luck

@Bex071509 I am so sorry your daughter went through this for so long. I can see the same effect on my daughter’s confidence. The combination of that and the pressure of feeling like she needs to show everything she can do in the 10 minutes she gets to play does not bring out the best in any player.
Unfortunately there aren’t many other options for women’s (and girls’) football where we live. We spent a season travelling back and forth to London to allow her to play for a JPL team there. She was super happy there, the coaches were good (and fair), and the other girls were nice. She really grew in confidence and played great football. This really highlighted to me how the right environment (and player happiness) can have a massive impact on confidence and performance on the pitch. Unfortunately we couldn’t do all the travel anymore, it left us all exhausted juggling endless car journeys alongside work and school… We will try to speak to her current manager & club again.
l am glad your daughter has found her love for football again!

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