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adhdpunchbag · 03/04/2023 19:15

Sorry it’s a bit long but I’ve tried to remain to the point. DS14 has ADHD/ASC with PDA profile. He’s not attended school for a year but is still on roll and has been accepted into a Specialist School starting next September. He just has a tutor from school for a hour a day.

Last October DS got caught in possession of a knife. Cannabis was also found when he was searched. He had been hanging out with a lad a year older, like him not in school (well, 1 hour a day) same anxieties and waiting for ASC diagnosis. He’d not known the friend that long. This friend only ever went out on his own locally or not at all because he was afraid of interactions with other lads, I think there had been some trouble in the past. The knife was his which he asked DS to carry for him until they had got to the place they were travelling to on the day they got stopped. Yes, DS was stupid for agreeing but I believe what he told me to be true.

So I got “the call” from the police and they dropped him off. We went into the station a coupe of days later, DNA taken, fingerprints etc. Lovely helpful PC and Duty Solicitor. Was told to expect Youth Justice involvement and a Youth Caution was on the cards. All fair enough. Also contacted by a SW who said she didn’t need to get involved but explained about services that would likely be involved once YJ were onboard. To be proactive, as I knew if it dragged out he would be less likely to engage, we contacted these services (one drugs, one knife based crime). Had one session with the drugs counsellor and the youth worker for the knife crime was involved over 3 months with him basically being a mentor and taking him out an afternoon a week. It was beneficial as it was practically the only time he left the house.

SIX months down the line YJ got in contact. I explained on the phone everything we’d done and they arranged to meet DS. Visit went well, really good chat. DS engaging begrudgingly (par for the course) and what appeared to be lots of help from the bloke for future support and discussions about Community Resolution. We got left some forms for us to fill in and a visit was arranged for the following week.

I completely forgot about this next visit. I’m wfh full time, dealing with DS, having to micro manage him because of his demand avoidance, single mum with inattentive ADHD. It’s draining. I hadn’t completed all of the forms and because DS hadn’t been forewarned about visit because I forgot wouldn’t engage or even come down as he was gaming. If I’d have forced him it would have been pointless, he would not have engaged in any meaningful way. YJ said to email the forms back as DS’s panel review was the following week and he needed to write up a report.

I sent the forms back explaining that I’d had to scribe DS’s responses to anything other than the YES/NO questions as he hates writing, refused to do it. He also wouldn’t answer the last few questions about his future because he wanted to get back to what he’d been doing (gaming, quelle surprise..) and to be honest he hasn’t a bloody clue about what he wants to do and has filled out so many forms like this over the last four years with no apparent improvement in his life. I explained in the email I was disappointed with him.

Anyway, to get to the crux of it I got what I thought was a really snotty email back. He said he didn’t think he could support Community Resolution given DS’s lack of engagement/apparent lack of remorse/not fully admitting fault. I was really pissed off because AT THE TIME, DS had fully engaged with the Police and I was really proud of the way he handled himself given what he is normally like. He fully co-operated, accepted what he’d done etc. But in his autistic mind all this happened 6 months ago. He has never seen this lad since, never goes out (he has no friends) so doesn’t get into trouble. The bloke doesn’t seen to appreciate that it’s not that he won’t engage but that he is really struggling to after this length of time.

Yes, if it needs a Youth Caution fair enough, but after discussing Community Resolution at some length in the face to face meeting to not take then into account DS’s disabilities and offer him the opportunity to avoid a Youth Caution by going down this less formal route I think is unfair and really disingenuous. The bloke has had one meeting with him and has come to this conclusion. DS is so removed from most social interactions at the moment I think CR could really help him.

Am I being unreasonable/excusing DS’s actions, not letting him take responsibility? Or am I right to feel pissed off?

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FloatingBean · 03/04/2023 20:43

Community Resolution does require engagement. It isn’t about the YJS not understanding, it is about policy and procedure. In many areas/cases anything involving a knife would automatically not be eligible anyway unless exceptional circumstances, therefore the fact it was even considered an option shows they did take DS’s circumstances into account. They have given the opportunity to avoid a youth caution. That isn’t disingenuous.

I know that’s not what you want to hear.

Separately, DS should be receiving more provision than 1hr a day. You need to email the Director of Children’s Services threatening judicial review. The LA must provide a suitable, full time education and anything specified and quantified in F of the EHCP. If this fails you should contact SOSSEN fro help with a pre-action letter.

Are there therapies in the EHCP?

Has DS had an assessment from the disabled children’s team? Is he receiving any support from them? Have you had an carer’s assessment?

adhdpunchbag · 03/04/2023 21:21

Thanks for your comments. I wasn't aware Community Resolution was an option anyway so it seemed odd to positively talk about it and then dismiss it after one meeting with DS. It takes a while for DS to trust someone and open up.

I may have had a carers assessment, there's been various people involved. No direct involvement from disabled children's team. There's a Local Offer but it's pretty useless as he won't engage with anything on offer.

I'll have to re-read the EHCP with regards to therapies. We got the plan just before he started to disengage from school with his attendance dropping until complete refusal so even if there are any in there he hasn't participated in any.

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adhdpunchbag · 03/04/2023 21:22

Also EHCP currently under review, awaiting the draft back to review.

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FloatingBean · 03/04/2023 22:01

so it seemed odd to positively talk about it and then dismiss it after one meeting with DS.

It isn’t really. They thought it was a potential option, and all options need to be discussed, but lack of engagement, and I’m sorry to say this but from their PoV from you as much as DS, means it wasn’t an option they could move forward with.

It sounds like the EHCP isn’t fit for purpose. When was the AR, is the LA sticking to the timescales? It sounds like you are going to need to appeal. The EHCP needs to include far more support than DS is currently receiving. Even if DS isn’t in school he must still receive the provision specified and quantified in F. And a full time education. You can enforce his rights. You need to fight for support. Unfortunately DC whose parents advocate and enforce their rights get better support.

You need to request a carer’s assessment and an assessment from the disabled children’s team. You both need support. On their website Contact have model letter you can use.

adhdpunchbag · 03/04/2023 22:50

Annual review last November. Letter to say plan being updated beginning of March, have already chased this week for a response. Yes, it's a joke regarding timescales but this contact at the Council is at least moving things forward with us, consulting with different schools whereas 10 months ago the person involved was an absolute shower and refused to do anything after an emergency review.

I've engaged at so many levels with so many different bodies. I miss work meetings and health appointments for myself so forgetting to prepare for the second YJ meeting is no surprise to me. I could only apologise which I did but I can see how it looked.

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FloatingBean · 03/04/2023 22:55

If the AR was last November the LA are in breach of the statutory timescales. Email the LA’s Director of Children’s Services threatening JR. If that fails contact SOSSEN.

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