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Do meds. help with impulsive behaviour?

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Blossomhill · 12/08/2005 21:36

Dd has always had lets say "adhd/add tendencies" along with her language/communication disorder.
Had a really impulsive today and even though we are targetting this kind of behaviour I do sometimes winder if medication is maybe the answer.
I have had an awful day today, too much to go into detail. A big part of me thinks maybe I am being cruel not giving her the meds. I mean maybe if she just calmed down then it may help everything else.
We have been offered medication before and when we are having a good day I think oh god no wouldn't touch the stuff with a barge pole. On a day like today I would have given it to her in a shot!
I would appreciate hearing from anyone whose children are on it.

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Jimjams · 12/08/2005 21:42

The people I know who are on have tried it after getting desperate - and now wouldn't go back. It can help definitely- but do you want to be in it for the long haul because it may be hard to stop...

Blossomhill · 12/08/2005 21:44

God knows jimjams. I have been in floods of tears today to my mum as I feel like my relationship with dd is severly affected by this behaviour. It's so hard enjoying being a mum when your day is a battle (as you know too well)!

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Jimjams · 12/08/2005 21:47

oh yes. For the first time in about 3 years I have started to feel like a Mum again rather than a carer. I even enjoy, rather than dread my time with ds1 now- and that's a very new feeling - so I know where you are coming from. In our case the change of schools was what ds1 needed- but he's not remotely ADHD so meds weren't so on offer. If it resulted in a change like I've had with ds1 (even without meds- I'm too pissed for this!) then yes I'd say go for it.

Blossomhill · 12/08/2005 21:54

That's lovely to hear Jimjams

Dd has come on loads too since being at her school, we experienced a similar improvement to you. However the impulsivity takes over but not everyday. We have at least 1, usually 2 very hyper days per week. I mean today at a birthday party (main reason I am posting, how u feel about hiding from 5-7 yr olds)
she was literally bouncing on the spot and flayling her arms around, trying to talk to another child. Luckily they all know her but how on earth can she form relationships when she is too hyper to take in what they are saying.

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Jimjams · 12/08/2005 21:57

Maybe she was just excited? DS1 when excited can barely stand up - so just goes all rigid. These days happpens when the teletubbies come on (please tell me he won't still be watching them at 16). Or was it after food or drink?

Blossomhill · 12/08/2005 21:59

Jimjams - I do think she was excited at the party. It was a magic show and she really enjoyed it in the beginning. Then about half an hour in she was holding her ears saying she wanted to go. Then she kept hugging the magician.

She was hyper from the minute she got up. We had loads of shaving foam all over the bathroom half an hour after I had just cleaned it!

That is so sweet about ds1 and the teletubbies. Dd is into Jetix and likes Power Rangers and Robot wars LOL!

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Jimjams · 12/08/2005 22:40

Not so sweet when he's been watching them for 6 years!

Chocol8 · 13/08/2005 20:23

Hi Bloss - my ds gets really hyper - in public places mostly - lots of people, especially a party or a barbeque just send him in to hyper mode. He IS on meds (Strattera 25mg) but the consultant has upped it by 3mg to 28 as he definitely needs it.

I too have days like you (and we all no doubt have) where I feel like ripping my hair out...his behaviour is just so rude these days, and yet he is very polite in public usually, just hyper. He doesn't seem to care nowadays that people are watching him and staring. He is AS too, so obviously not all behaviour is down to ADHD, but agree, it can be very hard.

I didn't want to put him on medication, but I did my homework and spoke to other Mum's of ADHD children and decided to trial Ritalin. After the first week, I had decided that this was really benefitting him and me. School became easier and every day life - until he seemed to "out grow" it. The Strattera seems to work quite well and has an added bonus that it is only one a day, although I may try splitting the dosage with the new strength - 18mg in the a.m and 10mg in the afternoon.

Good luck with whatever you decide - it is a hard decision, but i'm sure you'll make the right one. x

Davros · 14/08/2005 12:09

Its a very tricky decision BH and I know what you mean about whether you are being cruel by NOT giving her the meds. The only way you will really know though is by trying it which is a big commitment. Have you discussed it with her Paediatrician or anyone else? That might be the first port of call. You know that my DS is on meds and it has been a life saver for us, despite the continuing problems. Its a big step but really something that can be so beneficial. Good luck, its not easy.

Ronnie701 · 23/08/2005 13:53

Imagine if you will - living in a world where the rules are always changing... where nothing is in your control... nothing happens as you expect it.

Where there are two kinds of people: those who can remember, and those who can not remember...

You are one of the ones who can't remember things... you're constantly having to remember new things and every day there are more and more things added to that list... ouch, what a headache.

Welcome to a world of ADHD

You can't remember things because your brain doesn't produce enough Serotonin - which also happens to be the brain chemical that inhibits impulsivity - your natural 'brakes' - you've probably experienced this feeling yourself when you've purchased that 'impulse' buy, or eaten that extra peice of cake when you 'know' that you didn't need/want it & it may even do you harm (finacially, emotionally, health & safety)

Imagine these impulses every moment of every day - your sad & frustrated because nothing that you attempt goes right - people around you, those who are supposed to care for you, understand you, nurture you, love you, don't get what it;s like to be you.

Your frustration turns to anger - you express this anger either externally (hurting others, damaging property etc) or internally (self harm, isolating yourself, depression).

left untreated, ADHD can be a life full of disappointments and misery - you know that you are different but no one seems bothered to try and find out what you are really like.

It's painful, because you also have the ability to be spontaneous, good at problem solving - you think 'outside of the box', you can be funny and charming, careing and helpful - but no one see's this and they only ever remember the negative 'mistakes' that you've done ... just becuase it's taken many failed attempts before you've gotten the knack to the rules.

This is how my ADHD feels. I was distressed when I noticed that my second child was having problems and I didn't want her to experience the same or similar problems that I'd had.

Yes, I was a handful, boisterous, had an odd sence of humour, talked 'ten to the dozen', only opened my mouth to change feet - but I'm not horrible, uncaring, rude or worthless - I have ADHD that was undiagnosed and left untreated, but I am blessed too... blessed that I have the compassion to care about my own childs feelings and her future. This is not a condition to ignore, action is required.

Action for you is important because as the carer/parent you have the desire to help your child, you are good, loving, caring and the perfect parent for your child who needs you.

Take action and you take control. Learn about ADHD and you enable yourself to help your child (and yourself) to grow into a person who understands their abilities and disabilities.

(eg: I know that my memory is terrible, especially when I am under alot of stress, so I take pressure off of myself by carrying a notebook, in which I write down anything from appointment dates, activities, ideas, feelings etc. This simple act allows me to relax, becuase I know that I have everything recorded permenantly... and when I relax I can have fun in life - this fun attitude overflows onto the children, who in turn have fun with me, this gives me respect from them, they want more of this person and are willing to behave better to get more of that from me.

Children want to get things right for others - they want/crave and desire to please...but very quickly they learn that adults don't appreciate their hardest attempts - becuase it takes them practice to get it right - so they make plenty of mistakes - but it's all to do with their memory... so it's easier to give up - to say 'to hell with it', if they're gonna blame me then what's the point in trying to do my best?'

Educating myself in the who, what, when, where and why's of ADHD helps me to help my child and myself - I learn new things everyday which help us both cope... I in turn teach these things to my daughter.

But there's a catch - you can't magically give someone serotonin. Yes, you can buy natural remedies (5HTP aka Serotonin) from herbal remedy shops (holland & barret), couple that with the right kind of diet (higher that average protein, regular meals with complex carbs) and physical activities (woodwork)and things will improve. But without a doubt, initiating Ritalin was the move in the right direction for us.

Instantly, my daughter suddenly had a concentration span of hours compared to the 3 mins she had prior to meds. I was amazed, overjoyed & crying with tears of happyness.

If you're worried about the negative stories you've heard about Ritalin and the other meds, then perhaps you could explore all of the other more natural options. Are you worried about what others will think of you? What's more important - your childs health or what others may think? You don't actually have to tell anyone that your child is on medication (other than those also involved in your childs wellbeing), would you be worried about telling people that your child had cancer and that he/she was having treatment for that? or Nits, our school seems infested with the little blighters - I have no control over her 'picking them up' but I'm there every night, combing the little blighters out.

Please don't worry about the stigma. If you're at the end of your teather - try the meds... if ADHD is the problem, then they can help in some cases. But I've found that diet, exercise, meds and ADHD education have helped profoundly.

If they don't work (in some cases they don't - possibly because the childs doesn't have ADHD but they do have the same external behaviour that looks like ADHD) then you stop with the treatment and look at other options... but what if they do work? Are you longing to 'see' your child, work with them, teach them, love them, respect them for the individual human being that they are? I did - and now, I wouldn't change a thing.

ADHD is a huge and complex condition. Initially, the consultant needed to rule out Autism, Aspergers, Dyspraxia, Dyslexia, ODD, OCD ...(oh, and of course, my own pet personally hated on - bad parenting!!!) these are all conditions that are being affected by the same area of the brain (the frontal lobe).

Now, did you know that ADHD's first diagnosed case was in 1901 (approx) - his was an extreme case and so he was institutionalised (nice)

In pre-historic times, the members of a clan/tribe with ADHD would have been the first to have noticed intruders, prey etc. eg - security guards - we would have been as essential to the growth of humanity as everyone else - some people are natual born diplomats, healers, carers, hunters etc, not alot of good of course if non of the others pick up the signs of dinner rummaging through the undergrowth tho! or barbarian's sneaking up on the settlement! ha ha - we do have our uses afterall

of course, today we expect everyone to be able to read & write, sit down and concentrate by the age of 5! Is that realistic?? Don't think so ... we all have our own skills ... my family line are more 'get out and explore to learn'types Trial and error teaches us how to survive - our brains are working in overdrive all the time, processing taste, touch, smell, noises and visual clues.

The ability for me to sit down, chill out and relax is very disconcerting - I don't do it like other people ... ok, it's not always great being hyper... I run around like a busy bee all day long and when I crash - well, I crash! I sleep like a baby, don't hear a thing, don't notice the earthquakes that they're all talking about from the night before but I've had to accept that that's just me - my body chemistry is different from yours - why can't you keep going as long as me? why can't you chop and change your conversation as quickly as me? Why are you not as artistic/creative as me? Why don't you want to know things the same way as me?

Well - that answer is simple - I'm different from you and your different from me. Perfectly obvious really ... but not fare - my brain was not meant to learn to read and write at such a young age - by brain is meant to learn through doing stuff, experimenting, touching etc. But by the time I arrived into my mid 20's I was ready to study ...

It's convienient for society to get us all educated by a certain point in our lives but that's not possible when we all develope differently and at differing rates. Society expects it and that's what I beleive is unfare.

I apologise for going on and on but I am passionate about ADHD.

To summaries what I'm getting at here: Try the meds, if they will work with your child, then you are helping your child today, tommorow and way into the future. If they don't work, you'll be able to say you tried that option, you've ruled it out, nothing ventured, nothing gained...

I've found these sites useful, but there are plenty of others around.

have a look at \link{http://www.radiantrecovery.com/}
{http://www.healthology.com}
{http://www.addiss.co.uk/}
{http://www.adhdnews.com/}
{http://www.adhdhelp.org/}

With Kindest Regards, Ronnie

Blossomhill · 23/08/2005 22:27

Thank you Ronnie. I really appreciate the amount of time and energy you took to post

Your post makes so much sense, it really does. With my dd it isn't just straightforward add/adhd. It is co-morbid to her language/communication difficulties.

She can sit and her attention is actually getting a lot better. At school she is very academic and it isn't affecting her work at all, since she has been in the unit. However it is the impulsiveness that continues to cause the most problems. Would meds help with that?

Thank you for all of the links and again all of your advice xxx

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tigi · 24/08/2005 21:35

Just wanted to say what a great post. Thank you so much for posting. A lot of what you say sounds just like my son. We are waiting for his appointment to come through. I've had a really bad couple of days with him.

MrsEffervescent · 25/08/2005 00:40

ronnie...what a fantastic insight you have!

My son has ADHD and Asperger's...and is on meds.

sometimes i wish he wasn't...but as you so clearly described any ADHD is a miserable experience...and the meds work well for my son...so to give him the life he deserves...i choose to med him.

we are about to probably increase the ammount too...as he has gained 2 stone in weight in 18 months (so shows they don't always cause weight loss!!!) and lately i've noticed that his 'long acting' dose is not 'as long acting'!!!!

blossom... i really feel for you.....and know this is something you have been thinking about for so long.

the worry i have for your little petal is that the longer she goes on getting into difficulties 'because' of her difficulties...IYSWIM9!!!!)...then she will develop low self esteem

however i know deciding to give meds is not something easy to do.... but honestly.... tom is now at the point where he asks for the tablet when i am late giving it... he says he feels better and less muddled.... at 7 he described having 'mixed wires' in his brain.

I hope in 10 years time (if there is nothing better for ADHD)...that he will choose to carry on taking it ...as then i will know i made the right descision....as the parent WE have to decide what is best for our child.... and it's hard ...as an adult we'd hate being 'told' what to take etc.....but when we are advised that we need a med to help us...we usually take it...we see a benifit...so we keep on taking it.... this i feel is true of medicating our kids.... we look closely for results/side effects etc..... then we decide what to do.

you have done far more 'dietary' stuff than i have ever done... but if she is still suffering (as she must be if she keeps getting in these pickles...as tom was only too aware at your daughter's age that he was always doing things wrong....he once said "but mummy it's so hard to be good"

as you know i am sure alex is 'like tom too'...and i recently threw out the 'low dose' tablets i still had as i actually gave one to alex...and it was scarey how well it helped him...that i flushed the rest down the loo...as i knew it was wrong to 'test' him on them...but also to see an instant reduction of his symptoms was great too....

as i have said b4...the meds that tom has taken are not addictive... can be taken on a 'trial' basis...on a 'take or leave it basis'...so you could give her one tablet ...then no more...or try a second a few days later..... so you can see if any improvements are 'real' and not 'wishful thinking'.... some people only med on school days as they find they manage ok at weekends...but i am afraid to say tom takes his 7 days a week.

i know i am biased blossom.... but as you know I am probably an undiagnosed ADHD/AS myself...and am trying a 'med free' break myself...but not because i disagree with meds...but because i want the RIGHT med..... the psych i am seeing in a few weeks has met Tom and was actually interested (not critical) about the fact that I had tried tomes ADHD meds on MYSELF...so i am hoping that at last someoone is listening to ME...as ronnie says...to be a child with ADHD can be so hard....trying to remember...trying to control etc...but believe me...to become the adult who has had a life of faliure because of it...well that is difficult to put into words.

i wish ther was an easy answer...i sat with toms 1st ever ADHD tablet in my hand for nearly an hour b4 i plucked up the courage to give him it...then sat there panicking for the first hour incase it 'took away my quirky son'...but he just 'improved' ...nothing worsened...and i know that i made the right choice.....

happymerryberries · 25/08/2005 08:05

I teach student who are helped a great deal by meds for adhd. You can tell as soon as they are in the room if they have not taken then that day....not a different child, thatyou be inaccurate but a different scale of child, if that makes sense?

It can make all the difference in the world.

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