'Jargonning' in speech and lang. delayed child, for how much longer???

[genieinabottle]

Hi, haven't been posting a lot lately.
DS is now 4.6y old, speech and language delay (exp & recep) and unclear sounds + lots of ASD traits/symptoms, DS is waiting for full asd assessment.
He has made good progress with spontanaous speech in the past few months, still struggles to answer questions, still uses some echolalia, and still jargonning.

This jargonning of his has remained more or less the same as it was 2.5 years when he was non-verbal. It's total gibberish, made up sounds/words that mean nothing.
Although he is using it a lot less than before he still persists with it though, some days it is worse than others.
This afternoon was bad. He'd start a sentence properly than end it with his jargon or put jargon mid-sentence.

I'm at loss with understanding this. Why does he do this when he can say the words? ... and for how long will this carry on?? Anyone with a dc doing or did the same? How long did it go on for? I know all kids are different but it might just give me an idea of a time scale.

Sorry forgot to preise , DS can now do about 6-7 words sentences when he is in the mood
so you'd think he wouldn't need to use the jargon anymore wouldn't you???

My dd 4.10 does the same. She is not ASD but has expr/recep lang problems. Like your ds, dd has days when there's far more gobbledygook and others when there's none (or very little). I think it's a bit of habit and a bit because it's easier than the effort of finding & using the correct words. When dd is tired or chatting away without concentrating - that's when she'll slip into her old habits.
Funnily enough dd is learning a second language and speaking this far more easily than English. How strange! Maybe it's because she's being taught it from the basics like you do with a foreign lang, rather than trying to cope with English where the basics got scrambled somehow.

Hope you don't mind me asking but my DS who is 3 has same issues you have both mentioned so wanted to ask you both a of question.

How do/did you manage behaviour issues when they don't seem to understand its the wrong thing to do.

Sorry to hi-jack but am desperate for advice from people who have had similar experiences all I get from HV SALT etc is oh yes it must be difficult.

Sorry to hear that you are have frustrating times.

Thanks Kissingfrogs for reply. Now you've mentioned it DS does a lot more jargon when he is tired or unengaged. Maybe it is a bit of a habit then...

Kurly, by behaviour issues do you mean challenging, 'won't listen or understand anything' type behaviours?
Well for DS we give short one at a time instructions, we use Pecs pictures and a visual 'now, next, later' board to let him see what is planned. Basically visual supports help DS understand verbal language. We try to demonstrate as much as possible especially with new tasks.
We also use sandtimers to help him wait as his concept of time isn't great (although it is improving), we have a calendar and cross off each day at bedtime to help him figure out today, tomorrow, now i think he has got that, we are starting to work on yesterday.

There are no quick fix and he is still delayed and below average, but in comparison to last summer DS has made huge progress. So don't despair out dc do progress in their own time

Just wanted to let you know you are not alone- sounds exactly like my ds. I too wonder what it all means and when it is going to stop. He has a dx of asd. Am trying to teach him the concept of time at the moment (soon, later, today, tomorrow etc). Speech has come a long way but still feel he is struggling IYSWIM. Def seems worse when he is tired or unwell. Has your ds started school yet? Mine started reception last Sept (he will be 5 in Aug). School have been great really supportive and have applied for statement. I really worried about what his classmates thought of his jargon and funny speech patterns but he has loads of friends and everyone is very accepting of him which is lovely.

My DS is going to MS reception in september, no statement, just IEP and action+.
We are hoping that will be enough.

Thats interesting about tired or unwell as we definitely have better days also much better when engaged.

Genieinabottle yes do mean wont listen understand type behaviour hard to know if it is typical 3 year old behaviour or something else. Thanks for the ideas the time thing is great idea as that is a big problem. One bit of advice I have had is it reward attempts to speak but I bet you are already doing that!! Am glad to hear that your DS is making progress its sometimes hard to see the positive. How does he manage at school/nursery?

Does anyones DC loose words? For example my DS has stopped using his sisters name now just a jargon word also did know fish now lost that.

Genieinabottle didn't see your post when I asked about nursery/school. I guess you don't know how they will get one until you try . Will the school start statmenting process if IEP not enough? Can I ask what ASD type traits are? My DS is starting to show obessive type behaviour eg humming unzipping cushions on sofa all the time. So just being nosy really.

Justaboutupright, DS doesn't repsond to raised vioce, have three DC so might be too much of me shouting for impact .

Hi Genie,
My DS is 6.2 and sounds very much like yours was at 4. He has pretty much stopped 'jargonning' altogether now. He speaks very clearly, although very basically and can't understand complex concepts. I agree with the others that I think its a comfortable habit, and good to fall back on when you want to communicate but can't quite summon the words.

iv just joined mums net this week and just realised there are a lot of people with children simular iv got 2 other children that done everything by the book so now to have a dd that has development delay and oral dyspraxia is quite challenging. She was 4 in april and can only say about 5 words but understands most things but having tantrums daily now if we dont understand what she wants or doesnt want

Kurley: yes I understand. Dd had a hard time with understanding at 3 and was a handful to say the least. I knew it was all because of communication problems and misunderstandings(she was undiagnosed at the time). Nursery struggled with her, I struggled with her. Dd matured and had gained a little better understanding of right/wrong by the time she started Reception purely because she was that little bit older (this was prior to any SALT). As language improves so does behaviour (in my dds case), and she though she has her difficulties it's not with behaviour anymore - in that she has changed enormously for the better.

My ds is 6 speech delay and jargon. The jargon has never stopped really, now he just uses words, but still doesnt make sense iyswim.

He has very muddled ideas and rambles, finds it difficult to follow anything other than simple conversations. Although he can be logical and make sense.

Suppose this goes back to Genie's original point, has anyone ever been advised if jargon ever stops or is this something that is likely to always be with them?

Have found that docs SALT etc are reluctant to make ccomments about the future but I feel it would be useful to have some idea of what to expect.

Kurly, now they put the 'jargon' down to word finding difficulties ie he doesnt know the name of something so he makes one up.