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PouffeGalore · 10/05/2010 19:45

Ds (10) is suspected AS, awaiting Ados test and been on SA+ for almost 4 years apart from a term on SA in Yr 4 when it seemed things had improved a bit. Had review meeting today and Behaviour Support will go and observe some playtimes and report back on strategies. I mentioned to Senco that I was considering putting in request for SA and she said that if we did it noiw it would be refused. The reason would be lack of evidence from school and so it would be best to wait another month when the next review meeting would be held. I said that as LA take 6 weeks to consider request that the evidence would probably be available in time but she said that LA would make decision quicker than that. Anyway, I know from other threads here that lack of evidence is not a reason to refuse to assess but is this written down anywhere so I can point this out. Concerned about timescales re. secondary school. Any advice please?

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silverfrog · 10/05/2010 20:02

So, your ds has been on SA+ for 4 years - has he had IEPs in that time? HAve they been effective?

The school are presumably woried about his behvaviour despite the SA+ as they are carrying out further observations.

I can't remember the exact wording, but I think all that is supposed to be "wrong" for want of a better word, in order to initiate SA is that it is suspected that without further support, your ds will not be able to keep up. (Don't take my word forthis. Thankfully my LA agreed to assess dd1. the problems came later!)

If you think your ds will end up needing a statement, you must have your reasons. this is your evidence. the fact that the school does not have evidence will, in the end, only strengthen your case - it just shows how little they understand your ds's needs, tbh. If they are missing all the rpoblems, and not finding solutions, this just proves that your ds needs further support.

If you thin this support is needed, then start the process asap. If you do not get backing form the school, you may well get refusedand need to appeal. THis can be standard practice in some LAs. You, as a parent need to make the request because then you have the right to appeal if turned down. the school do not have this rigth, I believe.

HAve you had a look at IPSEA or SOS!SEN? They ahve lots of info on what to do and how (and why!) Sorry no links, am on my phone.

lou031205 · 10/05/2010 20:06

"5:64 By the time the head teacher considers asking for statutory assessment of a child?s
special educational needs, the school should be able to provide written evidence of or
information about:
the school?s action through School Action and School Action Plus
individual education plans for the pupil
records of regular reviews and their outcomes
the pupil?s health including the child?s medical history where relevant
National Curriculum levels
attainments in literacy and mathematics
educational and other assessments, for example from an advisory specialist
support teacher or an educational psychologist
views of the parents and of the child
involvement of other professionals
any involvement by the social services or education welfare service."

"7:13 When making a request for a statutory assessment, the school or setting should state
clearly the reasons for the request and submit the following evidence:
the views of parents recorded at Early Years Action and Early Years Action Plus
or School Action and School Action Plus
the ascertainable views of the child
copies of IEPs at Early Years Action and Early Years Action Plus or School
Action and School Action Plus
evidence of progress over time
copies of advice, where provided, from health and social services
evidence of the involvement and views of professionals with relevant specialist
knowledge and expertise outside the normal competence of the school or
setting
evidence of the extent to which the school or setting has followed the advice
provided by professionals with relevant specialist knowledge."

"7:34 In deciding whether to make a statutory assessment, the critical question is whether there
is convincing evidence that, despite the school, with the help of external specialists,
taking relevant and purposeful action to meet the child?s learning difficulties, those
difficulties remain or have not been remedied sufficiently and may require the LEA to
determine the child?s special educational provision. LEAs will need to examine a wide
range of evidence. They should consider the school?s assessment of the child?s needs, including the input of other professionals such as educational psychologists and specialist
support teachers, and the action the school has taken to meet those needs. LEAs will
always wish to see evidence of, and consider the factors associated with, the child?s
levels of academic attainment and rate of progress. The additional evidence that
authorities should seek and the questions that need to be asked may vary according to
the child?s age and the nature of the learning difficulty."

"7:49 In the light of evidence about the child?s learning difficulty, LEAs should consider the
action taken and, in particular, should ask whether:
the school or setting has, in consultation with outside specialists, formulated,
monitored and regularly evaluated IEPs and whether the child?s progress, measured
by criterion referenced or standardised tests, continues to be significantly and
consistently less than that which may be expected for the majority of children following
such programmes
the school or setting has sought the views of, and involved, the child?s parents
the school or setting has actively sought the views of the child, as appropriate to their
age and understanding
the school has, where appropriate, utilised structured reading and spelling
programmes, and multi-sensory teaching strategies to enhance the National Literacy
and Numeracy Frameworks
the school has explored the possible benefits of, and where practicable, secured
access for the child to appropriate information technology ? for example word
processing facilities (including spell-checkers), overlay keyboards and software,
specialised switches and provision of training in the use of that technology for the
child, their parents and staff ? so that the child is able to use that technology across
the curriculum in school, and where appropriate, at home
the school has implemented its policy on pastoral care and guidance and sought
external advice to meet any social, emotional or behavioural difficulties
the school or setting has, with the parents? consent, notified and sought the
assistance of the school doctor and/or the child?s general practitioner, as appropriate.
84
Chapter 7: Statutory Assessment of Special Educational Needs
7:50 Where the balance of evidence presented to, and assessed by, the LEA suggests that the
child?s learning difficulties:
have not responded to relevant and purposeful measures taken by the school or
setting and external specialists
and
may call for special educational provision which cannot reasonably be provided within
the resources normally available to mainstream maintained schools and settings in the
area,
the LEA should consider very carefully the case for a statutory assessment of the child?s
special educational needs."

This is all from the SEN code of practice.

Lack of evidence is not in itself a reason to refuse to assess. However, in a child of school age, you need to be able to show that the school have taken measures to help the child, and that those measures are not working. Also, you may find that the LA looks at the help school have been giving your DS, and decide that they have been giving insufficient help, or the wrong help. In that situation, they could refuse to assess, and say "the school needs to do this". Then, they would have to wait another 6 months before another request to assess.

PouffeGalore · 10/05/2010 20:19

Thanks for the advice. He has had IEP's in that time and various different strategies have been tried including input from behaviour support a couple of years ago. School are supportive but it just seems that strategies are tried,work for a while and then we're back to square one. request was put in for SA at infants 4 years ago but was refused as had not been on SA+ for long enough and they wanted EP to see him again. EP has seen him a couple of months ago and think he has been on SA+ long enough now.

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claw3 · 10/05/2010 23:35

"The test for a statement in law is whether the school can provide for the child from it's own resources with the help of the LEA R v Secretary of State of Education ex parte E FLR 377 Court of Appeal 1989.

The LA should be considering whether a statement is necessary under the Education Act 1996, sections 323 and 324, not according to the availability of information."

Hope this is of some help.

sugarcandymountain · 11/05/2010 10:23

Is he in Year 5 now?

If so, you are right to be concerned about the timescales for secondary. If he had a statement already, you would have already visited secondary schools and be having discussions about the most appropriate one at the Year 5 annual review. For children with statements, the secondary application process runs parallel to normal secondary admissions.

In our LA, the panel meets to decide on placements around December of Year 6. So if, say, you are thinking of a unit place for him, they could already be filled by the time your DS gets a statement. It makes sense to get things going now - we applied for a statement in Year 5 and it took 11 months in total because they initially refused to assess.

It's worth thinking ahead and begin calling and visiting schools now to discuss your DS's needs. I visited a lot of mainstream schools during the 'normal' school tours and it was very difficult to get useful information about SEN provision - they're too busy showing off their shiny new labs!

So I would recommend making appointments to see SENCOs as early as you can - it often takes some time to arrange a visit and you might want to visit a couple of times.

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