Is your SN child in MS school

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If they are/were, can you please tell me if they could do the following when they were in reception:

Read basic words (cat,dog,hat)
Write their own name
Recognise numbers 1-9
Count to 20

TIA

dd3 is in ms with HI base. She won't be in reception until september but is nowhere near being able to do any of that, she can't recognise her name yet. She can count to 10 and sort of understands what it means but can't count 10 items iyswim. Hth why do you ask? [nosey ]

Dd1 (Aspergers) is in MS. She could do all the things on your list, she's now 6 and there are still children in her year that struggle with the things on your list.

Dd2 (ASD) is due to start school in september, she can do all the things on your list but can't follow instructions, can't sit still and has very poor speech so we are trying to get her into a SN school.

My DS is in a mainstream with integrated unit. He could do the last 2 in the first half term of reception ie October or possibly before for recognising 1 - 9, and could do the first two in the second term, ie January.

DS3 is in reception (asd) (aug bday). Cannot read any basic words but can recognise classmates names inc his own. Can count to 20 but does not understand quantities (ie could not count out buttons or counters IYSWIM). Does recognise some numbers 1-9 but not all of them. Can write the first letter of his name and trace it on a laminate where he follows the dot to dot lines.
Hope this helps

Dd2 is in MS, she's in Y4 now. She couldn't do any of the things on your list as far as I remember, other than write her own name (occasionally).

Ds1 (ASD):

• Could read but was flagged as possibly hyperlexic so not typical in that respect.

• Couldn't even hold a pencil so certainly couldn't write.

• Could count and recognise numbers.

Ds2 (ASD) :

Could do all those things but had a real obsession with numbers and counting.

I would also say though that at this time of year there are still NT children who won't yet be able to do all those things. There is a huge range of abilities at that age, particularly when you have children who will turn 6 this coming September in the same class as children who are still 4.

DS3 in mainstream. Couldn't do any of the above except count to 20 though he had no concept of what it meant. he has had a statement for asd since nursery school.

Now in Y7 at a small independent school and in top sets for everything except history (too much inference with all the interpreting sources)

We were very lucky with our mainstream, it bent over backwards for him and appreciate that our school was not typical in its approach to sen.

My advice? If you are opting for mainstream, know your stuff re sen policies. Find a school where they genuinely want your child rather than one where they will tolerate them because the law says they have to and if you can get a statement fight tooth and nail for it, it is your legal insurance policy.

Good luck

My SN DS1 could do all those things but my NT DS2 can't! (he's a late August birthday so I'm aware of how young he is)

DS1 could do all those things in nursery. DS2 (both boys have ASD) is starting reception in September and has some very basic and appears to recognise numbers 1-9.He has little interest in drawing or writing, but can recognise his own name and tries to go with the flow if you help him to write it, hand over hand.

Both boys have statements with a high percentage of 1:1. DS2 has very little, very rudimentary speech and would be lost without it and DS1 has severe behavioural issues which mean he needs to be watched like a hawk, all the time. I wouldn't even consider mainstream with most schools, and may re-consider as the boys get older, but this one is working hard for them, at the moment.

And just to add that DS2 only just turned 4, this week, so will be one of the youngest in his reception class, anyhow.

Ds had real problems with phonics to start with, speech delay ie c was t etc and he couldnt get that when you said c-a-t, it sounded like cat. Now year one and can read brilliantly, seems to be sight vocabulary, as oppose to phonics.

Write their own name - still writes the 'c' backwards.

Recognise numbers 1-9 - yes but still writes 9 backwards.

Count to 20 - mistook teens for twenties ie twenteen instead of 20, 14 was 40.

Ds was on ms reception learnt numbers 1-12 but none of anything else but think more was to. Do with not understanding language

DS could do all in your list in reception.

DS (4) is in reception now and can do all the things on your list although the writing of his name is well ropey!!

DS (4) is in reception, could do all these things before starting reception, so not sure if it has anything to do with school.

My dd (HFA) could do all these, but her younger brother (NT) could not. Many in her class still couldn't by end of reception.

DS2 is 7, in m/s, and can't do any of those things. He can count to 10 and recognise some letters and numbers (though he's very inconsistent). But we are probably unusual - Ds is in m/s for social reasons (and because he then gets 1:1, which suits him). He accesses a unit for the academic stuff.

ds2 is 7& in yr 2 at MS primary & could do none of those things in Reception.

He still cannot read basic words
He can sort of write his name (3 letters)although the letters are often back to front.
He can recognise numbers but this developed during yr 1 & can copy most but not write them indipendantly
He can count to 20 this has been a very slow & gradual process.

TBH I think ds2 would learn at this rate in ms or sn school but at the moment our local village primary suits him & he is happy there so doesn't need sn school.
I think often decision to use sn is based less on acatdemic ability & more about if they can cope with ms, socially & emotionally.

Yes, but his sn were not learning-related, he needed the right environment, phrasing of instructions and dialogue and so on.

I know we don't really fit in - dd1 is in SN school - but we have fought long and hard to keep her out of MS.

She is yr1 now, but when in reception she could count to 20, recognise numerals up to 12ish, recognise her name (but not consistently).

She could not write at all, and still can't - severe OT issues mean she can barely hold a pencil correctly. She is beginning to type though, and is coming on well. Reading is not really on the agenda, but she can recognise common words, and match them up (eg match typed 'cat' with hand written 'cat') but won't necessarily.know what they say, iyswim.

DD2 is in Y1 of mainstream with 1-1 support and can't do any of the things on your list.

She can recognise her name and can 'write' it on the computer. She can't write with a pencil at all.

She knows numbers 1-5 but no more.

She has only recently started reading basic words and has severe speech delay so can't read out loud, however she can recognise them and match them.

She couldn't do any of that in Reception.

Thanks everyone or your responces.

Reason I was asking is that DS2 can't do any of that. He is in MS school, full 1:1, school doing all they can to accomodate him, but I can't help feeling he shouldn't be there because of how slow he is learning.

He does love doing to school, has friends, and I suppose the reason he went to MS was that he wouldn't get the social interaction from the ASD school.

MS school have said that he would still be ok in Y1, but Y2 when they start the harder learning, he might struggle, so I'm assuming he would go back to the ASD school (I am fine with that). Also fearful that his peers will notice he isn't learning the same as them.

DD1 is almost 4.6, will start SN school in September, but goes to MS preschool now.

Read basic words (cat,dog,hat) - Not in any shape. Doesn't even recognise letters except for "M for "Mxxxx". But she thinks every word starting with a M is her name Great when we go out and she sees road signs everywhere saying her name.

Write their own name - No. Severe fine motor skills; can draw a circle and a cross. No shapes of any sort yet. Preschool says she can write "M", but it is a set of zig-zags with no beginning or end.

Recognise numbers 1-9 YES

Count to 20 No. Can count to 10 consistently, 15 occasionally, 17 rarely. Can count inconsistently up to four or 5 objects. No more.

Lou, DS2 can recognise his name, but like your DD1 thinks everything starting with D is his name.