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debs40 - non SN question - law

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AngryWasp · 18/04/2010 18:53

is this something someone can get into much later in life? I know nothing atm. Will it involve fostering out your kids in the first few years or does that depend on what kind.

I'm thinking about areas such as community type david and goliath law, where the small people take on local authorities big organisations.

Is it is silly idea?

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debs40 · 18/04/2010 19:13

No, the legal services market is really changing and I think it is all about specialism and carving out your own niche.

I have been quite successful at doing that although I don't have the time to put into really pushing my freelance work at the moment as I'm still completing my PhD.

What would you need to do to qualify? Are you looking to qualify or work for a charity? I would say that to start out you often have to do freebies for people or volunteer but this will pay dividends and is good experience on your CV.

Go for it. I love what I do - mainly human rights research and writing - and even though it is really hard to motivate myself late to finish projects late at night or at the weekend, it is worth it because I have the flexibility I need.

CAT me!!

AngryWasp · 18/04/2010 19:25

Oooh, thanks for replying. I don't have CAT though. Are you on TTR (or CAT?)

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AngryWasp · 18/04/2010 19:31

I don't really know enough to know about whether I need to qualify or work for a charity. I am looking to do put in some hours now (volunteering would be okay) and get relevant experience/qualifications in order to do something when the children are back at school. However, I like qualifications and whilst an expert procrastinator am usually get good grades. (says she who never got any A-Levels )

Ideally for me it would be something completely absorbing for me but also somthing that 'matters' iyswim.

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WetAugust · 18/04/2010 20:34

Hi wasp

At the height of my many battles I decided I needed to know more about law so did an A Level at night school (one year course).

The A2 element was Contract law but I learnt many general principles which were helpful to my own battles at that time such as the criteria for damages, vicarious liability, Alternative Dispute Resolution, remedies etc.

Had I been younger I would like to have continued to study and perhaps become a paralegal (hate that American term)

lingle · 18/04/2010 20:36

are you SAHM atm angry? What did you do before?

AngryWasp · 18/04/2010 20:39

Oh what a fab idea WetAugust. It would give me experience of the area before any longer-term and costly comittments. It would also give me a very much needed hobby/break.

I'll look around with a view to September, - or perhaps look into a basic level with the OU if can't get out,

Thanks again.

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AngryWasp · 18/04/2010 20:50

Oh good grief - the COST of the OU law modules!

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WetAugust · 18/04/2010 20:56

That's another reason why I never continued with it.

google ILEX - that's another path.

AngryWasp · 18/04/2010 20:58

There's an OU course Law: the individual and the state - £2k

I'll check that out thanks.

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lingle · 18/04/2010 20:58

Angry,

When I was at law school (93-95) we were encouraged to do advocacy in tribunals (sounds grand but it was just a few people in a room) for asylum seekers.

And there are people who are consultants who do things like represent people at school appeals committees.

Might that sort of thing appeal?

As for solicitordom, I knew a few trainees going through their two year solicitors' training contract in their late thirties and forties (I had been 25 when I did it). What was very very hard for all of them was spending two years saying "yes" to people with less life experience than them. It takes enormous self-esteem to calmly go from being told to do filing one day to taking a key witness statement the next day to going back to the filing on day three - often by someone ten years' younger than you who is not very efficient and then doesn't give you credit or let you find out what the case was about. There was also a huge culture of presentism.

However, these were the big commercial firms which are notoriously hierarchal. It might be different in the areas where you want to work.

AngryWasp · 18/04/2010 20:58

It is one 6th of a degree btw.

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WetAugust · 18/04/2010 21:04

Still think ILEX is the route if you just want to do advocacy. From their website

What is a Legal Executive lawyer?

A Legal Executive is a qualified lawyer specialising in a particular area of law. The role of a Legal Executive lawyer is so similar to that of a solicitor that the average client is unlikely to be able to distinguish between them.

On average the cost of the four years study leading to the ILEX level 6 Professional Higher Diploma in Law and Practice is around £5.000

And as a qualified Legal Executive Lawyer and Fellow of the Institute of LegaL Executives you can go on to become a partner in a law firm; train to be an Advocate, appearing in court behalf of your client; or you may decide to become a judge. You can also use the route to become a solicitor if you wish.

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You can study their courses at night in FE College.

I found that if I went doen the LLB route I woudl have wasted a lot of time doing European Law which didn't interest me (although I agree that the EU is making most of our laws these days).

AngryWasp · 18/04/2010 21:05

Lingle, I was a public sector management consultant. Despite no A-levels I did manage to get a first in Psychology.

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debs40 · 18/04/2010 21:16

Human rights is the way to go....it comes into everything in public law and there is an ever widening choice of jobs in the field. I am on CAT so you can CAT me.

AgnesDiPesto · 18/04/2010 21:22

Legal Exec is probably the way to go as otherwise you need law degree or conversion course+post qualification experience of up to 2 years which if you did part time would take at least 4 years. ILEX is good as you get experience as you go and some firms will pay your training.

I would suggest you think about IPSEA as you can volunteer for them and they do pretty good training I hear - once you have worked for a while as a volunteer you can then apply for caseworker job (which I think you can do from home) - you might not get to be qualified in terms of becoming a solicitor or legal exec but would be able to work in the field without the outlay / time commitment:

Volunteering with IPSEA
Volunteers are the heart of IPSEA. Every year they advise and support over 2,000 callers, ringing for advice about their children with special educational needs (SEN) / disability.

Demand for IPSEA?s advice and support is high. Every day our main advice line receives more than 100 calls that we cannot answer. We are always keen to hear from anyone interested in helping us to meet more of the demand for our advice and support. We are currently recruiting volunteers for:
our general advice line; and
our tribunal support service.
All our volunteers work through the IPSEA training programme as part of their induction. Once this thorough training is completed, they work closely with a more experienced volunteer as they begin to advise and support families.Volunteers who choose to cover our help lines can work from their homes. Volunteers who choose to provide tribunal support will need to travel to meetings.

The training consists of 30 hours of preliminary home study followed by a two-day course to consolidate this study and introduce practical work. This is followed by further supervised practical work supported and supervised by a mentor.

In view of the time and costs involved in recruiting and training new volunteer advisers, IPSEA asks that all new volunteers commit to a minimum of two years with the organisation. IPSEA reserves the right to request all or part payment of training costs (around £1,500 per volunteer) if a volunteer leaves within two years of joining IPSEA.

All volunteers will be required to fill in and submit the necessary paperwork in relation to each parent they advise. Volunteers will also be required to comply with IPSEA?s monitoring procedures which enable us to quality control and evaluate our services. These procedures will be explained in detail during the volunteer training.

AngryWasp · 18/04/2010 21:27

Thank you Agnes, that sounds very interesting indeed. How can I find out more?

debs40 I meant could you pretty-please CAT me as I can only receive not send.

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debs40 · 18/04/2010 23:07

Consider it done!

AgnesDiPesto · 18/04/2010 23:08

Its on IPSEA website - under how you can help us

lingle · 19/04/2010 10:38

agree legal exec. route much better than solicitor route for most people at "our" age.

angry - funnily enough, I pine to do a degree in psychology! Maybe we could tutor each other

AngryWasp · 19/04/2010 17:18

That would be GREAT Lingle. I didn't much cover asd and related though but it did give me a good enough general background to identify rubbish provision and to have the confidence to ask for evidence of approaches etc.

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debs40 · 19/04/2010 18:13

Have just CAT you. It wouldn't let me do it last night. There are other non-qualified routes e.g. with a law degree - for example working for charities/NGOs but email me when you get a chance

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