Grateful for any SALT advice - we had a "pop-out"!?!

[JoMaman]

Hello,

By way of quick background my ds1 has GDD, mainly affecting gross motor and language and some ASD traits although 2 different paeds have now told me they think the ASD traits may be more symptomatic of the delay rather than the other way round.

Anyway, his speech has never taken off, he is now 2.2yrs and non-verbal, never babbled much, says the odd consonant but mostly vowel sounds, has very few gestures but seems to understand quite a lot of language, certainly a lot of vocab. He doesn't mimic sounds or gestures although has recently learned to say "gagag" on request, although he only does this about 50% of the time you ask. We never had serious feeding issues, although he still doesn't like lumps.

Anyway, this week there was a very bizarre occurance: he was hiding under his blanket and my friend said to me "look what ds1 is doing", at which point ds1 said "hiding", as clear as anything. We were both in shock but as there were 2 of us, I know it really happened. A similar thing happened about a month ago, where he was crying, and I couldn't figure out why, so in frustration I looked him in the eyes and said "why are you upset, why? why? why?". Then he said "because...", he seemed to be shocked that he had said it, and then just did more whining as if nothing had happened. I thought I was hallucinating and/or cracking up so thought nothing more of it.

The reason I'm posting is this morning I was looking through the archive on GDD and I came across someone who posted the 'early signs of apraxia (oral dyspraxia)' from the nancy kaufman website and one of the signs was "pop-outs", fully formed words or sentences that are in context that come out with no warning and then cannot be repeated again on command.

I should also mention that SALT input to date hasn't seemed to do anything so we are seeing a new independent SALT this week, I tried pecs with him myself and that is going well, however, he never took to makaton.

My questions are: have any of you had a similar experience?, does the "pop-out" happen with any other s and l problems or does it mean he most likely has oral dyspraxia? NK website says this is treated differently to other s and l disorders, does anyone have any experience of helping their dc with oral dyspraxia?

Sorry for rambling back story, I'd be really grateful of any info

x

Hi one of the types of verbal dyspraxia is known as devlopmental verbal dyspraxia it means that they might say it perfect one time then the next time Its all jumbled up

ds has this on top of oral dyspraxia and at 4.8 is mimally verbal more often not is total gobblygook

Oral is more often seen with the muscles around the mouth not moving correctly ds struggles to chew and some good are just a no go

hope it helps

We get pop outs too - they come and go over time but we usually gain more than we lose gtg

Meant hth. Must get used to this key pad

my DS had the odd pop-out and he never had dyspraxia, but language delay without any pronunication issues.

thank you everyone - am now more confused than ever about what is causing ds1's speech/language delay, but the Nuffield website certainly has loads of really useful info, has given me lots to think about! x

DS2 has lots of these pop outs. Some things we even hear 2 or 3 times, then never again. Mostly, he hums to the "tune" and rhythm of words and phrases, but we get the occasional word blurted out. This morning, he was singing along to his VTech lion and actually sung "yion" for lion. DS1 and I just stopped in our tracks at that one!

Meant to add, DS2 is almost 4 and has autism with some hypotonia but no formal diagnosis of dyspraxia, even though it's been talked about by professionals as if he does have it. He has eating and drinking difficulties, as well as being pretty much non-verbal.