sorry got to post in here before I loose my temper

[2shoescoveredinhearts]

as I as I have posted in the past ds was badly bullied a few years ago, and we have been the target of a hate crime.......what word is often used, yes the spaz word...

yet there they are on here saying oh it is ok it is normal for your lovely child to use that word...........WTF

I agree that idiot and stupid are different. Regardless of their original meaning they are now figures of speech and don't refer to any one section of people. After all how many of us have said something like "I did something really stupid today", or "what an idiot I am". It's just a way of saying you've made a pointless mistake, which we all do now and again, whether we are disabled or not. I hope that makes sense.

yes, of course that makes sense.

Butthere are people who extrapolate that if stupid is ok then moron and reatrd are fine ecause people also use those when they are refering to simple errors. But they are not the same. And the linkeage is offensive.

I know those threads get heated and I recognise that I contribute to that. But after the last thread where some familiar names were defending "fucktard" as reasonable to use, and where one twatthen went off on several subsequent and unrealted threads and made huge jokes about my being "mental" - I have decided not to back down any more.

If someone uses idiot I tend to shrug. There are lots of words I shrug at . But people then say "well if idiot is fine then I intend to use retard - and if you don't like it I will shout about your inhibiting my freedom". Which is both lazy and bollocks

I see your point, (absolutely loathe 'retard' so don't want to give anyone an excuse to use it) but what words should we use to convey the meaning I've just described? I think perhaps 'foolish' would be better. "I've just done something foolish" wouldn't offend would it? I might be wrong but I think of a fool as like a jester.

Pixel
most people really don't have a problem with idiot or stupid. They have been around so long that people associate them with a moment of foolishness, not with learning disability.

the line for me is with words that most people will automaticaly link with SN rather than with normal range foolish behaviour.

so idiot twit, numpty, stupid, fuckwit are all fine in my head

retard, moron, mong etc are all bad.
they are the words where people are knowingly evoking ( through common modern useage) SN

Its an awful word and I always challange it when I hear it along with retard and mong. Theres no need for it.

pagwatch I think you have managed to remain very calm.
I just don't get why people can't understand that using a word causes upset so why use it.....
fed up with trying to convince *** that letting thier kids use words like spaz is wrong

2shoes
honestly ..?

I have drunk an awful lot of champagne today

if we dont challenge these words when people use them they will never know that we find it deeply offensive they can like it or lump but let them be aware that i WILL pull them up for it