asd and cleaning own bottom sorry tmi

[wonderif]

my daughter is 6 and needs help with toilet, she forgets to clean even after a p flush due to noise, and only washes hands when i make her.
she wont clean her own bottom and god love her she has tried but she just doesnt understand what way to go no matter how many times she has been shown.

what worries me is that she becomes smelly when outside of my contact she is bathed every morning anyway fresh pants etc etc, but i just worry she has came home from school soiled before not very bad but obvious from not cleaning.

she wears the pj pants in bed at night time but would never do a poo in them

advice anyone? or should i just keep cleaning her

my daughter has problems wiping too, she tries to clean heself and it just makes it worse tbh!!! I spoke to the OT and he came up with games that we could play to make her more aware of where her hands are when they are behind her, putting a 'tail' in her waistband and her trying to pull it out and putting stickers on her bum and her having to take them off, she also has a frame around the toilet to help her balance when she is wiping, don't know if any of that may help x

Oh dear, my DS (8) with ASD is the same. TBH I haven't really stressed about it too much, but reading your post made me think that I need to tackle this too.

Any ideas, anyone?

Thanks.

thanks maybe sumthing
i can raise with the ot sizeclan

its not a hugh issue but maybe when dad had her and she is a lot older it could be, i work nights so he will have to do it when i am not here.

should be interesting tipsycat!

My ds who we are waiting to be assessed with asd is ott with wiping his bum he wont leave the toilet untill he is 100% sure he is clean he also used half a roll of loo roll a time.. whereas my other two ds's aged 5.5 and 10.5 yrs are similar to your dd they just dont bother even trying tho tbh it as if they forget that part of using the toilet i have and still am trying all sorts to get them to wipe after the loo specially adam as he starts high school in september and currently he comes hhome smelly cos he not wiped himself in school.. both boys are adhd tho not asd xx

Hi

I had this with my son who is nearly seven.

We were given ideas about using wet wipes etc but what worked for us was to get him to stay on the toilet ( he used to jump off and couldn't work out how to reach behind himself) and get some loo roll and then reach underneath and wipe. He then does it gain and has a check of it (grossarama!) and if it is pooey, he does it again. Repeat until bum appears clean.

This seems to avoid the coordination/balance issue.

He does just save it for home though and never goes at school. I don't know how he manages it but he does!

I have been working on this for a year with my DS , and to be honest I think it is just a matter of doing it with him again and again "pull the loo paper, scrunch it up, wipe wipe. Pull more loo paper, scrunch it up, wipe wipe. Flush loo, wash hands with soap". All of this I've had to show him visually too. Only very very recently has he started doing the wiping bit himself, and I've found insisting on 2 wipes means it's done (sort of) effectively. Now I have to get to him before he goes from bathroom and insist on handwash/flush loo. But I don't think there are any shortcuts, it's just that my DS takes so much longer to learn things like this - due to his autism.

LOL my 6yo DS2 w/asd is the same, the sheer amount of pants I have to buy him (most are unsaveable!!) is ridiculous. I tend to keep 10 in use, when he gets down to 5 pairs, I buy a new pack. He won't let you use any sort of wet wipe on him, wouldn't even from a very young baby (he explains that it feels 'wrong' now he's bigger). It's ok at home when I can make sure that he is fully 'clean' before pulling his pants up, but the amount of SEN DC's in his class sharing ONE TA (5 children sharing one TA, all on SA+, none with full statements),means they just haven't got the time to help him with this. I have to carry a set of pants in my handbag, and often change him in the school loos before we catch the bus home, as I don't think the other passengers wish to smell him for half an hour!!

Ds has the same problem, at home wet wipes, a full length mirror and a visual sequence chart in the toilet do help him. We have managed to cut down on the amount of changes of trousers.

I havent found a solution for school yet.

lots of helpful hints

lucky you can get pants so cheap, well she will let me use wet wipes but just wont herself i will get a visual board for the back of the toilet.

thanks

Wonderif, do you have room for a full length mirror?

Ds would refuse to even attempt to wipe his own bottom before we got one. He is often in a mess as he doesnt seem to feel the sensation of wanting to go and doesnt know he needs to go 'until it pops out', he then rushes to the loo. He was worried about not being able to see what he was doing and it getting onto his hands.

Now he gets up off of the toilet, bends over and looks in the mirror, not a pretty sight! but seems to have taken some of the anxiety away.

what about moist toilet tissue i know andrex do it as unlike wet wipes these can be flushed down the toilet

we have only just got ds to poo on toilet and i get him to wipe first and then i clean him up he actually does not like to clean himself up big poo phobia but i can get him to wipe so hopefully the more we do it the better he will get im considering getting the andrex moist tissue for him for school if he starts pooping on the toilet there i know he wont wipe at all otherwise

I have used Andrex moist tissue and have now down graded to cheaper wet wipes, ds uses sooo many.

Arent they exactly the same as wet wipes?

they are but wet wipes cant be flushed so not ideal for school wet wiped clog the drains so moist toilet tissue is better when at school other wise ds would have to bag up the wet wipes etc and dispose of in special bin not very private for him at home its ok

I see what you mean wipes are thicker. Ds takes Asda own brand toilet wipes into school, he has yet to use them though.

hope your ok anyway claw having problems with e mail at moment but will mail you when problem sorted can receive but cannot send at moment for some reason

Yes bubbla thanks im fine, plodding along.

Hope all is well your end and ds is still enjoying school?

Yes do, drop me an email once you are up and running again, would be lovely to catch up.

just wanted to update you all

after a few days i decided to try visual clues so now on the back of the downstairs bathroom door

i have from start to finish what she is meant to do and she is loving it, hasnt called me i go in to check she is clean but hasnt called me to clean her bum

until this morning in the upstairs bathroom so i guess that tells me i need one for there too.

might be worth a go i havent used visual clues before but i guess she does need, them school uses them a lot .

ds responds great to visual charts im glad she is too well done to both of you

My 6 year old is the same. Struggles with executive functioning and sensory issues related to wiping herself and washing hands after toileting. I dred to think what happens at school. I know we go through many pairs of underwear due to stains and accidents. She needs constant supervision on the toilet and she's just not aware of when she's done a "good" job. In the past we've had some poo smearing walls, sink, toilet seat because she didn't know what to do. But she's getting better now that she knows poop is meant to stay in the toilet. If I don't remind her to wash her hands she forgets and I have to supervise this also otherwise its suits soap, turns on tap, soap falls intonplu hole,

*suits soap, turns on tape, soap falls into plu hole and then wets hands and forgets which way to turn the tap off or which tap she turned on originally.

It's hard work! But she tried her best.