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Help me to encourage DS2 to eat less messily

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sphil · 05/01/2010 22:54

He is 7 with ASD. Eats everything with his fingers. Takes a single bite out of each piece of food, puts it down, takes another bite out of another piece, puts it down etc. While he is doing this he is crumbling the food with his fingers. Sometimes he takes some of the food back out of his mouth again.

When he's eating food like chips, sausages etc it's not too bad, but crumbly foods like fish cakes, his gf bread and shepherds pie go everywhere. He drops bits on the way to his mouth, on the way back from his mouth and then wipes his fingers down his jumper. Often about a quarter of his food ends up on the floor.

Up to now we haven't worried about it too much tbh - there are other things we see as more important. I also know how lucky we are that he eats fairly well - his diet is limited but mostly healthy and he has a good appetite. But now he's seven, we feel that his eating habits are marking him out as even more 'different' - in private we can cope, but in public.....well, I wouldn't want to watch him eat tbh!

We give him a spoon every meal time and he will use it once or twice if we ask him to - but then he just refuses. We tried giving him a very small portion that he had to eat with a spoon before he got the rest - he would do this, but we never ever progressed from this point.

So lovely ladies......over to you!

PS: DS1 said tonight that we 'have to teach DS2 to eat properly because if he wants to have children when he's older he'll need a wife and girls don't like messy eaters'.

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sphil · 10/01/2010 15:54

Yes, I'm using oven chips. He doesn't appear to be taking any notice of the click atm, but I guess it may be a subconscious thing?[hopeful].

You are so right about praise overload - I used to find it very hard to find enough different ways to say 'well done' when we were doing a formal ABA programme and sometimes it sounded strained and false. DS2 had a tutor who was excellent at it, but he used to put his hands over his ears sometimes when she got too enthusiastic!

I find it very hard to keep my lip buttoned when doing the tagging though - when DS1 was doing his 6s today he was looking at me questioningly when he didn't get tagged and rather than just waiting for him to work it out, I found myself saying 'it's not on the line' etc.

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moondog · 10/01/2010 16:39

You need to think about reducing size of oven chip portion obviously.

Yes, the language overload thing is so impotant and it is really hard for us to stop ourselves using it, but we must always question how helpful it is.

I really don't like the sort of singsong way praise is given by ABA therapists-they all seem to have the smae intonation
'Nice talking!'
'Hands down!'
'FanTASTic'

How bloody annoying it must be for the child (prob. even worse when peopel then try and introduce 1001 different ways to socially reinforce.)

As I often say to people
'Here's a thoguht-why don't we all just shut up and give the child a bit of breathing space?'

The TAG is like a lighthouse beam shining through the darkness-simple, clear, precise, stripped of unnecessary embellishment'

ouryve · 10/01/2010 21:12

Nikos - I don't know where the loud clickers you get can be bought, but knitting counters are easy to obtain and quite similar - Clover make one that you can hang around your neck and which is quite loud.

I'm going to have to look more closely at this Tag stuff, because I get sick of the sound of my own voice, sometimes, never mind DS1.

moondog · 10/01/2010 23:29

lol ouryve So do I (yours not mine, obviously)
Knitting counters! What a great idea!
Off to google!

moondog · 10/01/2010 23:30

Just the ticket!

sphil · 11/01/2010 19:49

Putting food on spoon and into mouth tonight. Not all the time and sometimes a mere crumb but even so . We've had more progress in 4 days than we've had in a year!

Nothing to do with tagging, but he also did a poo on the loo for the first time tonight (see my other thread) The Sphil household is celebrating.

Come to think of it, although we're not using tagteach for the toilet training, I wonder if it's to do with greater confidence? Or is that stretching things too far?

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moondog · 11/01/2010 23:05

Who knows?
It would be nice to think so.

Wonderful newss.I'm so excited gettingb the latest instalment. Keep posting! (Are you reducing size of oven chip?)

What does your dh/dp think, or anyone else seeing you use it?

sphil · 12/01/2010 14:19

Yes, I'm reducing slowly - we're on quarters now. DH thinks it's amazing too. I'm thinking of videoing DS to show my parents' support group, as many of their children have issues that could be helped by this approach. In fact, I'm in danger of becoming a bit evangelical about it

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moondog · 12/01/2010 15:32

How wonderful!
(I was talking about you today to some colleagues I am doing research with.All very excited for yuo too.Lots of people waiting for next instalment.)

Have you other children?
Try it on them for fun too!
We've used it to learn components of juggling, tennis, netball, shoelace tying and lots of other stuff. My next plan is to get someone teaching a dance class my dd is involved in to use it (some good footage of it being used with cheerleaders on Youtube.)

Teresa Makeown (founder) came to this through her work as top level gymnastics coach.

sphil · 12/01/2010 22:58

Two - Ds1(dyspraxic) is the one doing the writing; Ds2 (ASD) the one doing the eating! The difference is that whereas DS2 is happy with oven chips, DS1 has worked out and written down a complicated system of tag currency, where 5 tags = a sweet, 500= a mini Bionicle, 1000 = a large Bionicle, 9999(the largest number our clicker goes up to)= a DS game and 99999 = fish tank + fish . As he can't resist the sweet option I think it's unlikely we'll ever have to fork out for the top two

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moondog · 13/01/2010 00:45

That's great!
Another recommended strategy (and of course with the number clicker thing, it keeps automatic count!)

Teresa talked about this a lot with her gymnasts.They earned points which they could trade for a night off practice for example, or use of mobile phone (these were serious dedicated gymnasts with rigorous system).She said they loved the idea of 'playing the system' but of course all sides were happy as they worked like hell to echieve these rewards!

sphil · 17/01/2010 23:41

Moondog - what do you know about the UK accreditation? I can't find any details. There's an online course ($325 - gulp!) but no mention of UK training.

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moondog · 18/01/2010 09:12

They haven't been over to UK yet (we are pioneers) but we are working on it. Write to them (ie Teresa) to express interest
[email protected]

I don't want to give personal details over this site, but she will know who I am!
How is it going?

sphil · 18/01/2010 14:20

Very well with DS1 - he's very motivated and although it took him longer to learn his spellings using Tagteach I really feel that they are more 'embedded' this way as he had to work out what was wrong for himself. He relies very much on rote memory for spellings usually - gets them all right for the test then forgets them immediately.

DS2 - good but slower. He's now using a spoon spontaneously but the sensory issues with too much/wrong texture of food in his mouth still gets in the way. I've made the pieces of chip small, but I don't think he'll do it yet if they aren't there at all.

I'll contact Tagteach about training - thanks.

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moondog · 19/01/2010 22:16

Sounds good. Keep at it!

sphil · 19/01/2010 22:42

I spoke too soon - chips ran out tonight and he continued to use spoon intermittently. I I think he IS registering the click

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moondog · 19/01/2010 22:43

Wow!!!!!

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