ASD bad behaviours again... (a bit gross sorry)

[mysonben]

For the past 3 weeks , ds (4), had been fairly easy going, lots of NT , no majorly obvious asd behaviours other than vocal stims, and creeping doubts over whether asd dx route was needed, but as last weekend started DS seems to have entered a renewed asd phase.

On saturday he was a nightmare, hard to engage, lots of stimming, toe walking, noises, 'playing' at turning the tin opener again , he had a bad moment on friday evening when a couple of friends we had invited for dinner turned up, he was screaming in the bath, kept having tantrums after trantrums, and was... fairly constipated.

The last straw, saturday night, he was still awake trashing about in his bed and running around upsatirs at 11pm.
Three times we went to see him. First time he was whining for the loo, (he 'd already spent 20 mins there before bedtime), so i took him again and he did nothing.
Second and third times, DH asked him if he wanted the loo, DS said no, so dh put him back to bed.
Sunday morning, when i went to get them up (ds shares a room with 19m old dd), DD in her cot was caked in poo!!! It was all caught in her hair, on her sheet, on her sleeping bag,... absolutely gross!...but her nappy was still place and clean.
DS 's bed however was spotless,....buthis bottom was a bit dirty and his fingers had a suspicious aroma!....

Does else notice more asd ehaviours when your dc get badly constipated ??

Yep. Not as dramatic as that (your poor DD!!) but behaviour takes a down turn when she's constipated. Do you give lactulose or anything similar?

Yes, we give lactulose.
Was wondering about the link 'constipation-brain' ...as my step bro works in nursing and once said that when people gets really constipated it has an effect on the brain!... he noticed when some of his older patients were 'cleared up' they had more clarity and sense. He explained it better than that but you get the idea

Yes poor dd...had to wash her hair twice and could still smell it!

my ds has had his 2nd bout of rectal prolapses this time getting worse (bigger). finally spoke to the paed today and going to try movical. I don't understand it all as ds seems to go daily and reasonable size. Anyway on the time his had the issues his behaviour been v. asd (probably the worse i seen in the last week). he was v. similar on fri late afternoon with a playdate - felt terrible as i drag him off his friend kicking and screaming (obviously the other mum was there just for touching his car).

currently his not talking to dad - as his bad . but i've heard that constipation can be caused by anxiety/stress...

i'm just wondering if i should start keeping a diary, see if any patterns emerge. am going to try linseed when the prescription runs out, as seems more natural way to keeping bowels in check.

Jasdox, is the linseed a tablet or syrup ?
DS hates taking lactulose , and i don't give it to him daily only when things grinds to a halt!
Not sure what cause ds's conatipation but i suspect a good part of it is due to his bad diet.
He won't eat any veggies other than a few peas and sweetcorn, hardly no fruits other than banana.
He only likes dairy products, cereals and pasta, meat is also a big problem. Argggh!

....constipation, don't know where that 'conatipation' comes from

What is 'rectal prolapse' exactly? Sorry for asking... (maybe i could google it).
DS often bleeds a bit when going is difficult.

Yes, my ds2 (asd) gets very out of sorts when constipated as does my dd3 (nt). We do the poo plan - movical and would lactulose if not completely horrendous and obviously bunged up x

sounds like ds, but he does likes porridge, so currently putting in mashed apricots/apple and telling him it's jam (apricot is a pusher food). linseed can come in oil and prob tablet. I use it for me, and i can tell when i haven't, but the type i use is crushed sprouted linseed (sorry name of make alludes me at the mom), but you can find golden linseeds in most supermarkets, but it is best crushed/grounded for best results, easier to digest and also get the omega-3s. but you need to drink liquid with it as it expands in your stomach, (i'm giving watered down apple juice). can be put in yogurt, cereal, infact sprinkled on any meal - to me has a mild nutty taste.

and luckily hidden veg tom sauce with pasta. and hidden courgette in pesto and pasta! but can't hid much else as cheese is generally order of the day.

Thanks Jasdox for tips.
Will look for it, and try it for ds.

Ds (10) certainly has more challenging behaviour and regresses slightly during a serious constipation episode. (Ds has suffered since age 2 dispite loving fruit and most veg - its part of his asd/ disorder). I do not know why exactly but as he has got older he is more able to tell us for instance that he has tummy ache or a sore bottom - I suspect he did not recognise why he felt so unwell (ie aware of pain but not sure where) when he was younger! Even when he had some language at5 -6 he was not able to answer questions - he just seemed seriously out of sorts. We tried cutting out cows milk and had a half hearted attempt at glutenfree and noticed no difference but perhaps we gave up too soon ( ds is a pasta and bread lover so it was hard).
Incidently ds was changed to paediatric movicol and for some reason it seems to suit him better than the lactulose + senna he had for half a decade. Movicol is a powder (the paed form is fairly new)that can be mixed with juice ( or milk but has a slight taste in milk) so might suit better.