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"Allowing ADHD 'queue jumpers' causes more harm than good"

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Glitterknickaz · 01/09/2009 20:28

according to Professor Katya Rubia

I'm wondering if Prof. Rubia has stood in a queue (for example at the Post Office) being bitten, hit, screamed at or even the child in question running off out of the post office into the road?

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jjones · 02/09/2009 10:35

I agree with you trout. Queuing is the bain of sn. My opinion is that we wouldn't force our nt kids to do something that distressed them so why do it to our sn kids.

IUsedToBePeachy · 02/09/2009 10:35

So how should people tell between ASD and ADHD in a queue? Do I need a letter from the Paed stating' Its OK, it's ASD so I can have your palce'?

Er no, becuase mostly ds3 is apssive about queues (beginning to wear of I note). OTOH someone with ADHD may well ned that favour- it's all very well being supercillious about it, but if siblings / Mum / you are at risk of a push / thump / red amrker pen swiped from counter all over you, why be a prick and cause them extra misery?

daisy5678 · 02/09/2009 10:55

I really wondered what the DM would be making of this story (why? sick curiosity - the sort of story they love) , and wish I hadn't looked at the comments . Stuff like, keep them at home them; take them to a big field; leave them at home and give us all a break.

Why is it so hard for 'normal' society to make tiny tiny changes to allow people who are already disadvantaged something easier or nicer?

J is more caring and considerate to others than those fucking idiots.

I need to develop a thicker skin maybe.

IUsedToBePeachy · 02/09/2009 10:56

Me too GMS

rosie39forever · 02/09/2009 11:31

out of curiosity i just read the DM comments and was then that people can be so vile, having said that we have taken dd to disneyland paris a couple of times and used an access pass and had the most foul comments and looks, this year we took our place in the disabled area to watch the parade and had to fight off people trying to push kids in wheelchairs out of the way so that they could nick their spaces! there is no hope for the human race

magso · 02/09/2009 12:45

We have not yet used the sn place saving facility because we avoid situations where queuing would be intolerable for ds and all around him and only have one child so can organise our own queue saving system. I like the system of place saving that was in place at Legoland last time we visited on a quiet rainy school day ( ds sn school had a training day) so I did not need to use the system. This still involves waiting - but away from the contraints or overstimulation of the queue for those who would find it too difficult. It also can be seen to be fair. It allows families and friends to enjoy attractions together rather than exclude the person or child who struggles with standing in a long queue.
I agree totally that a busy theme park is not the place to teach a child with severe adhd and autism to cope with queues.
I would like to make the point that the queue jumping systems are there for severe disability.

bonkerz · 02/09/2009 12:54

GMS.....i must say that we went to gullivers at milton keynes 2 weeks ago and we didnt bother with the queue letter as DH was with me and we didnt have a buggy etc so felt we were in a better position to cope with DS. There were no queues! we went at 10 when it opened and it wasnt till about 2pm when we noticed a few queues at rides and by this time we were ready to leave anyway cos it had got too busy for DS anyway! We wont go to any other place although ds went to drayton manor with his school before the summer hols and they all had bands and he loved it!

Jaxx · 02/09/2009 12:55

I am really quite shocked at how anti these people are. Particularly the teachers on original TES post.

We were going to visit Legoland on Saturday - but I think I may delay it a week or two.

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Glitterknickaz · 02/09/2009 13:09

Jaxx.... Legoland really is brilliant for exit passes, you only need a paed report or similar.

Shame I missed the troll but I bet I can guess what they said.

I would so love all the antis to take one of our kids to one of these places for the day without the benefit of an exit pass.

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mimsum · 02/09/2009 14:00

ds1 is not much good in queues (TS/AS/ADHD/anxiety) or crowds, but loves Legoland - my solution when he was in primary school was to take him out of school for the day - usually in October, when there's hardly anyone there (light drizzle was an extra bonus!). Occasionally there'd be a queue of 5-10 mins which he could just about cope with, but nothing more than that.

I've never gone down the SN pass route even though we'd qualify as ds1 hates people thinking there's anything different about him and the idea of queue jumping fills him with so much anxiety that we've just had to bypass the whole issue.

saintlydamemrsturnip · 02/09/2009 14:00

DS1 has severe autism, and severe learning disabilites. His queuing/waiting has got a lot better very recently (he's 10 now) after years of work from us and his school (using things like wait buttons - can pass on that info if useful to anyone). We are amazed at how much he can (usually) cope with now.

A theme park is pretty inaccessible to him anyway tbh, but I would never attempt one without an exit pass. That would make it completely inacessible.

2shoes · 02/09/2009 14:01

not going to read the link as I know it would make me steam.
you know folks you a=have just got to lol at the vile people who are "jealous"
I remember going to drusilas, every one had to que for the train, we didn't as we went on the wheelchair bit.
ds(nt) loved the look on a child he knes face, as he went first
the grown ups who get arsey about stuff like this are the ones with the problems, not our beautiful children.

smallwhitecat · 02/09/2009 15:03

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2shoes · 02/09/2009 15:20

too true, they are the same people who resent money being spent on sn schools, but don't want sn pupils near their children.
just think what they miss out on, yes they should deserve our pity.

smallwhitecat · 02/09/2009 15:39

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flyingmum · 02/09/2009 16:04

Jaxx - I'm going to Legoland on Sat. It will be fine. You need to take your statement with you and some sort of confirmation of diagnosis from a Paed. They are really good. We are going as our annual passes are up soon. Get there for 10.00 am. Go through the barriers and then go to the last customer services desk. If you see us I'm with the big ginger one and the medium very blonde one!

mumslife · 02/09/2009 22:05

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prees · 03/09/2009 09:19

What they don't realise is that these queue jumping rules in theme parks are atually to help the PARENTS and the SIBLINGS go on outings sucessfully without having a miserable time. How many siblings have to miss out on exciting trips to theme parks because of their ADHD or autistic brother/sister. This enables the whole family to have a nice stress free outing together. Siblings often have to miss out as do single Mums.
I do agree that a lot of these children could learn to queue properly eventually (my son did) but ths should be done slowly, at a local shop maybe and in school in the dinner queue. Alton Towers with all its buzz and crowds is not the place to attempt this teaching!!

masonicpixiesreadthedailymail · 03/09/2009 13:10

We never do queues. Always jump them

Lucky us eh?

My sn dc prob wouldn't care about being in a queue - as long as it wasn't a bright day. I see it as a complete and utter waste of precious time - time not in hospital, or having some perfunctory need met

a bit staggered that someone could think that was a bit arsey and unfair. Think the dying child thing's a bit more unfair really

MaryBS · 04/09/2009 08:25

We do queuing with DS. Not always easy, and people are so judgmental.

Which is why its a pleasure to go to Legoland and just for once get a respite from the endless problems involved with trying to keep my lovely son occupied in a queue.

I'd also like to praise the lady at the science museum, who helped us when son was "kicking off" because of queuing for launchpad. When I mentioned his dx, she told me she was the disability co-ordinator, understood completely, and we were able to go ahead of the queue.

Phoenix4725 · 04/09/2009 10:45

I think chessington are pretty good they do exit passes with right evidencel.

but for their biggest 7 rides you get given a yellow card and you still can miss queueing but if wait time is a hr theystamp your card with time and you cannot go on any of the other big ridest till 1 hr is up.So queueing but not queuing and in meantime there is lots of other rides for dc to go on worked well for ds and we still manged to do all he wanted by default of getting their early

smallwhitecat · 04/09/2009 11:26

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r3dh3d · 04/09/2009 12:06

I've heard rumours that Chessington are timestamping with the current length of that queue. Or maybe the average queue that day. So if it's a busy day, you go on your ride but you can't get on a "big" ride again for 2 hours. If your disabled child is too big for the less popular kiddy rides or isn't interested in the zoo, that means you have 2 hours to kill, somehow. Then another ride, another 2 hours to kill. OK it's better than being in a queue, if only because you get to choose where the meltdown happens, but there are still a lot of kids who will struggle to access Chessington under those conditions.

Phoenix4725 · 04/09/2009 13:32

They do have the system in place but to be honest we went in the summer holidays park was fairly quiet at start of day .But even when very busy later on rides were between 30 and 45 mins for most popular.so not to much time to wait and was only in place for 7 of them.ITs the ride that you are currently on .So my tip is to pan ahead and work out big rides you wnat that are time stamped and do them first before queues get big eg bubbleworks at 10.30 was 15 min wait by 1 was 45 mins

We went with mixed age group mixed needs and there was still a fair few of the bigger rides that did not need time stamping.

bigcar · 04/09/2009 17:06

Chessington gives you a little yellow card with their big rides listed on, when you go on one of those rides, they write the time you got on the ride on the card. You're then supposed to wait the length of time of the queue before going on any of the other rides on the card. We went on a saturday 2 weeks ago, the only ride that had a queue of over 1 hour was the bubbleworks, vampire was 25 mins, dragons fury was 45 mins which I didn't think was too bad. r3dh3d, we were expecting 2 hour wait times but it just didn't happen.

We also went to legoland last saturday (must be mad!) and to be fair they did ask that we waited an hour before going on another of their big rides when we got the stamps, it's just they have no system in place to check you do it.

A fun day out with the whole family once or twice a year at the most is supposed to be just that. That's what every other family there gets, so why the hell should it be turned into a screaming meltdown learning experience for kids with adhd. AND why pick on kids with adhd, what makes them so different from other kids that don't have the ability to stand in a queue?

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