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Engaging Autism - Greenspan's 3 Primary Characteristics. ..... need help understanding :(

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mum2fred · 22/06/2009 14:51

I?ve started a new thread here (sorry) cos I didn?t want to hjack the other one with my very specific query! In Greenspans ?Engaging Autism? He writes:

^The core, or primary components of autism involve difficulties in the areas of relating, communicating, and thinking. Parents and professionals should consider the following:

? Is the child having trouble establishing true intimacy and warmth; seeking out those adults they are really comfortable with like the mother, father, or key caregiver? Can he show some warmth in that relationship?

? Can the child communicate with gestures, with emotional expressions? Can she get into a continuous flow of back-and-forth emotional signaling with smiles, frowns, head nods and other interactive gestures?

? When the child uses words, can he use them meaningfully in emotionally relevant ways? In other words, are the words invested with emotion or affect so it?s ?Mommy, I love you? or ?I want that juice please? rather than ?This is a table?.

If these three components are not present ? the capacity for intimacy, the capacity for exchanging and reciprocating different types of emotional gestures in a continuous way, and the capacity for using emerging words or symbols meaningfully with good emotional intent, then we should consider that the child may be showing a form of an autistic spectrum disorder.^

MY CONCERN: is that for DS1 (2.5 with a dx of ASD) we can answer ?Absolutely!? for the first 2 primary components. The third one is harder as he is very limited verbally. I would lean towards saying ?no? at this stage. What I don?t understand is that if 2 are present and 1 is not ? is he still (by greenspans definition) ASD? Or much he have all 3?

We have been struggling with understanding all the ?grey? in ASD, struggling to understand how exactly the dx was made,and what are the key underlying issues that we need to address are (NOT knocking the dx as we are estatic to be in the system and know that time will be the greatest indicator)

OP posts:
blossomhill · 24/06/2009 15:09

really sorry but i was generalising and would never personally attack or single out anyone. we are all in the same boat after all and i would hate for anyone to feel they couldn't come on here because of me

lingle · 25/06/2009 11:44

mum2fred, still on your OP, I think I "know" my DS2 was ok on 3 (though not, sadly, on 2) because his first words tended to be things like

"DS1!" (meaning DS1 please let me come too)
"wait!"
"let's go!"
"no!" (upset)
"there's doggie" (wanting comfort toy)
"daddy!" (meaning both mummy and daddy)
"where's DS2?" (used for any number of people)
"who's first?" (meaning I'm going to run and you have to catch me)
"help!"
"I love you too" (in reply to "I love you")
"there you are!" (said at 2.4 when seeing DS1 again after a fortnight apart, rushing up to give Ds1 his teddy bear in greeting)

  • Association words used to invoke a time when I had spoken proudly about him on the phone
  • my pet names for him like "sausage", said whilst looking in my eyes
-"ahhh" (the noise you make when you pick them up and they feel nice) -"I love you" - said when I was holding him and crying (about his language - what else?) - he knew it was something you say when people are upset. "its alright" - when recovering or when brother crying.

So he didn't understand the meaning of the words as we would, but he understood their emotional content perfectly.

he did have the "other" words too - the lists of Thomas the Tank engine trains, the numbers, the colours, all those things. The looking at a car and saying "that's a wheel". But they never dominated.

Does that help?

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