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It all makes sense now. Got dd's p levels for her social and emotional age and...

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Blossomhill · 11/05/2009 21:08

she came out as 3 yrs old . She will be 10 in August (she has AS). FGS how can they expect her to cope in mainstream????

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TotalChaos · 11/05/2009 21:57

how can SALT at her school have missed this issue for so long? Hope this is useful ammo re:school placement. Has anyone got any constructive ideas to help your DD with social/emotional skills?

Blossomhill · 11/05/2009 22:06

Apparently according to the asd team this is quite common. I am hoping this will help though. No way is she going to the asd unit. Guess what they said when I phoned them? If dd didn't conform she would be at risk of exclusion FFS. I said I am afraid asd and conform aren't usually 2 words that go together!!!
No ideas what so ever. Just shows how big the gap is between dd and her peers. Got lots going on to get ready for tribunal but just find it so draining. How's your ds doing?

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TotalChaos · 11/05/2009 22:13

DS has been signed off NHS SALT for the moment

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/special_needs/748680-Surprise-of-the-day

I'm not best pleased - problem is that he's fine at the "higher level skills" - the what happens next in a story stuff - which is what they do the assessments on - which masks the fact there's all sorts of issues esp. with receptive language at a more basic level that need tackling....

very at conform for the ASD unit, sounds a bit "cherry picking" to me.

Widemouthfrog · 11/05/2009 22:27

We've just had a SALT assessment too TC, and been told that DS scored very highly . He is nearly 6. He could describe a picture and say what was wrong in it, sequence pictures etc. Yes, and he has a great vocabulary.
I know his receptive language is at a much lower level though, and constantly have to decode for him, as do his TAs.

I'd be interested about the p scales too. I didn't know they could be used for social and emotional assessment - I thought they were just used for academic scaling when a child didn't reach the minimum levels for the national curriculum scales. DS is on the bottom rung of these (1c), but emotionally is less mature than 3yr old DS2.

Our local ASD unit only seems to accept children without behavioural issues, which seems a bit of a contradiction to me - sounds a bit like this 'conformity' thing too.

daisy5678 · 11/05/2009 22:57

Like, 'we like ASD kids...but only the easy ones please'

BH, not nice for you, but great ammo for Tribunal or whatever route you go down.

bullet123 · 11/05/2009 23:25

I don't know what level I would have been at, but I can categorically say that in retrospect my emotional and social age was younger than my chronological age right through my teens.
Ds1's pscales have just (as far as I know) been done for his academic abilities. They range from P5 through to P8.

magso · 12/05/2009 08:50

Surely an ASD unit is best able to support a child in learning how to take part, accesss the curriculum and eventually choose to 'conform'? Ds was initially said to be 'too autistic' ( ie too challengin) for the local asd/mld school but thank goodness the HT interveined and they really have worked wonders. I hope you can argue similar.
Emotionally ds (9)is very young too. He has also lost his salt because he now has a good vocabularly. They are including him ( after I insisted) in a social salt group.

Blossomhill · 16/05/2009 16:13

Hi everyone. Tbh I don't want dd in a unit at all, I want the lovely specialist school that I think all children like my dd should have automatically!!!

TC ~ The local asd team did mine but I am sure you could ask the ep (even if they just sent the paperwork to school and you). Sorry to hear you have such a long wait

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Littlefish · 16/05/2009 17:11

Not sure if these are helpful at all, but I've just found the P scales for PHSE.

P1 (i)
? Pupils encounter activities and experiences.
? They may be passive or resistant.
? They may show simple reflex responses, e.g. startling at sudden noises or movements.

P1 (ii)
? Pupils show emerging awareness of activities and experiences.
? They may have periods when they appear alert and ready to focus their attention on certain people, events, objects or parts of objects, e.g. turning briefly towards another person.
? They may give intermittent reactions, e.g. beginning to tolerate some activities, but ?switch off? if the activity becomes too intense.
P2 (i)
? Pupils begin to respond consistently to familiar people, events and objects.
? They react to new activities and experiences, e.g. withdrawing from a person who is new to them.
? They begin to show interest in people, events and objects, e.g. watching as they bring their own hands together.
? They accept and engage in co-active exploration, e.g. sharing a hand massage with an adult.
P2 (ii)
? Pupils begin to be proactive in their interactions.
? They communicate consistent preferences and affective responses, e.g. expressing their immediate needs and feelings.
? They recognise familiar people, events and objects, e.g., vocalising or gesturing in a particular way to another member of the class.
? They perform actions, often by trial and improvement, and they remember learned responses over short periods of time, e.g. making similar responses several times during an interactive sequence with an adult.
? They co-operate with shared exploration and supported participation, e.g. handling personal belongings passed to them.
P3 (i)
? Pupils begin to communicate intentionally.
? They seek attention through eye contact, gesture or action.
? They request events or activities, e.g. prompting a peer or adult to continue an interaction.
? They participate in shared activities with less support.
? They sustain concentration for short periods.
? They explore materials in increasingly complex ways, e.g. reaching out to touch the hair or face of another person during an interactive sequence.
? They observe the results of their own actions with interest, e.g. listening as an adult imitates their own vocalisations.
? They remember learned responses over more extended periods, e.g. co-operating with support for frequently repeated personal care procedures from day-to-day.
P3 (ii)
? Pupils use emerging conventional communication.
? They greet known people and may initiate interactions and activities, e.g. prompting responses from another pupil.
? They can remember learned responses over increasing periods of time and may anticipate known events, e.g. taking a place at the table when drink time is signalled.
? They may respond to options and choices with actions or gestures, e.g. eye pointing to their choice of play or work partner.
? They actively explore objects and events for more extended periods, e.g. prolonging an interactive sequence by producing new behaviours and triggering new responses from a partner.
? They apply potential solutions systematically to problems, e.g. vocalising repeatedly to request an interaction with a peer or adult.
PSHE and Citizenship
P4
? Pupils express their feelings, needs, likes and dislikes using single elements of communication (words, gestures, signs or symbols).
? They engage in parallel activity with several others.
? Pupils follow familiar routines and take part in familiar tasks or activities with support from others.
? They show an understanding of ?yes? and ?no?, and recognise and respond to animated praise or criticism.
? They begin to respond to the feelings of others, e.g. matching their emotions and becoming upset.
P5
? Pupils take part in work or play involving two or three others.
? They maintain interactions and take turns in a small group with some support.
? Pupils combine two elements of communication to express their feelings, needs and choices.
? They join in discussions by responding appropriately (vocalising, using gestures, symbols or signing) to simple questions about familiar events or experiences, e.g. ?What does the baby need??
P6
? Pupils respond to others in group situations, playing or working in a small group co-operatively, e.g. taking turns appropriately.
? They carry out routine activities in a familiar context and show an awareness of the results of their own actions.
? They may show concern for others, e.g. through facial expressions, gestures or tone of voice, and sympathy for others in distress and offer comfort.
P7
? Pupils communicate feelings and ideas in simple phrases.
? They move, with support, to new activities which are either directed or self-chosen.
? They make purposeful relationships with others in group activities and attempt to negotiate with them in a variety of situations, e.g. if other pupils wish to use the same piece of equipment.
? They judge right and wrong on the basis of the consequence of their actions.
? They show some consideration of the needs and feelings of other people and other living things, e.g. offering food to a visitor or watering a classroom plant.
P8
? Pupils join in a range of activities in one-to-one situations and in small or large groups.
? They choose, initiate and follow through new tasks and self-selected activities.
? They understand the need for rules in games, and show awareness of how to join in different situations.
? They understand agreed codes of behaviour which help groups of people work together, and they support each other in behaving appropriately, e.g. while queuing in a supermarket.
? They show a basic understanding of what is right and wrong in familiar situations.
? They can seek help when needed, e.g. assistance in fastening their clothes.
? They are often sensitive to the needs and feeling of others and show respect for themselves and others.
? They treat living things and their environment with care and concern

Blossomhill · 18/05/2009 23:41

tc ~ good luck with that

LF ~ thank you they are very helpful. Have saved this to my pc

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