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amber32002 · 10/03/2009 09:30

As part of a thread on signs of ASD, people noted that one of the Big Questions is always about 'eye contact'.

What does it mean?

Most people have automatic signalling between them and other people using their eyes. They don't have to think about it. It helps the person they are with to know if it's their turn to speak, if the person is angry or happy, if the person is the leader or a follower in the group, if the person is telling the truth or not. All done automatically. The bits in the middle of the eyes also change size if they love someone, or hate them, or fear them, and the other person will 'read' those signals and react automatically to them.

To start a conversation with someone, you normally need to first establish eye contact. If that person looks back, "permission" has been granted by them to begin speaking.

As soon as the conversation begins, you will find that if you're speaking, you look away from the listener glancing back only occasionally to 'read' their body language, facial expressions etc and adapt your own conversation to match these tiny signals.

When you are done speaking, you automatically 'give permission' to speak to the other person by giving them some good eye contact. If you don't want to be interrupted by someone, you avoid looking at them.

Without eye contact, your listener will find it more difficult to interrupt you.

As a listener, you'll find you automatically look more at the speaker to show you are interested. Listeners typically look at the speaker about three quarters of the time in glances lasting 1-7 seconds each, no longer than that otherwise it's 'staring' at them, which is a threat signal. You find it hard to interrupt until the speakers looks at you again.

In group conversations, you have to signal with eye contact to all others that you want to speak, and if that doesn't work, you move around a bit or raise your voice a bit to get attention, again automatically.

That's the absolute basics of it.

It's like a whole amazing 'piece of music' going on between the two people who are talking to each other, taking turns to swap information about each other using their eyes.

Us with an ASD can't do this stuff. We can learn to do bits of it by being told to do it, but it's learned, not automatic, and people who naturally 'speak' eye contact and body language will always find our eye contact to be bloomin' weird compared to that of natural body-language-speakers. none of us can control the size of the pupils in our eyes to show emotions in the way that you do, so even if we practise the rest of it and get fairly good at it, it'll seem weird to others from time to time because our eyes will be displaying what looks like fear instead of love, etc.

Just teaching a child to look at someone is only a hundredth of the skill, and if they stare too long, they may actually be giving that person a threat signal or a signal to shut up. Not good things for friendships and turn-taking.

It's why 'does your child make eye contact' is a completely meaningless question. What you need to work out is how they're using eye contact, is it working, can they use it to stop and start conversations and tell people how they're feeling?

If not, can they learn the basics of staying safe with eye contact - learning not to stare etc? That's a good start, and better than being taught to stare at people, to be honest.

When people with an ASD look into the eyes of someone, all the info goes straight to the bit of our brain called the amygdala, which is a bit at the back that is very automatic and does its own thing. Normally it has a quick look at the person, gets the brain's filing clerk to get the info on that person, works out if they're a threat or not, then uses the eyes to signal "hey, I like you" or "sod off!". Not with us it doesn't. Ours sees the person, and because there's no filing clerk for the info about people, we have No Clue At All whether the person is a threat or not, so our eyes display 'fear', just in case they're dangerous.

It's why making eye contact with us is a very odd experience. People can't work out why we seem scared of them. That's why.

I worry about teaching eye contact to us. There's some research to suggest that if we make a lot of unnatural eye contact, all we end up doing is burning out the wiring to that bit of the brain and making it even more dificult for us to recognise people and do social stuff. Early days for that research, but it's something to bear in mind.

I know that years of doing all the eye-contact stuff for me has resulted in me getting worse at recognising people, not better. Interesting.

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cyberseraphim · 10/03/2009 09:45

I agree - not many ASD children are totally avoidant of eye contact in the way imagined ( well they do say NT folks have good imaginations) but the difficulty is more in using eye contact to send/recieve the 'secret signals' . I don't think you can teach using and liking the 'secret signals.

TotalChaos · 10/03/2009 16:06

Fascinating post amber - I struggle with eye contact - and struggle in group situations with know when to speak - I never knew the two were connected! I share your qualms about trying to force eye contact - as I know from my personal experience that sometimes maintaining eye contact can be too difficult when trying to think hard about what to say next. Sometimes I wish I lived in a country where there was less of a fetish for eye contact!

Saker · 10/03/2009 16:15

We have worked on "facial gazing" rather than specific eye contact as part of our RDI program. Ds2 didn't understand that our faces often convey information that would be useful to him (this is called referencing). We used a lot of exaggerated expressions, and methods to highlight our faces during activities so he started to understand that they convey meaning. It is interesting that now he often reaches out and touches my face like a young baby does - it is as if he is "seeing" it properly for the first time. I was really pleased when we saw his OT yesterday who we haven't seen for a while to see how much more he looked to her face for a response. I think this strategy is a natural way for an ASD child to learn to use facial expressions rather than trying to teach them individual meanings.

HelensMelons · 10/03/2009 19:54

Saker, that's really lovely.

Interesting and informative!

mrsturnip · 10/03/2009 19:59

ds1 has very good eye contact when he's initiating communication! He uses it to communicate more than anything else, especially when he's being naughty (looks straight at us checking for reaction laughing as he reaches for the microwave/back door/biscuits/something else he's not allowed).

stressa · 10/03/2009 21:31

I found eye contact very difficult until I was treated for prosopagnosia (face blindness) with green specs from Ian Jordan. I was 36 years old. Up to then I knew that I often didn't recognise people but had no idea that I wasn't seeing faces properly. I only needed the specs for 18 months.

Eye contact comes naturally now and social interaction is much easier. I'm seeing the same with my sons (both ASD) - they had similar problems and both have tinted specs.

I'm not saying prosopagnosia is a factor in all cases but it can be linked with ASD and people can be unaware that they have it.

mrsturnip · 10/03/2009 21:45

oh interesting stressa. My son has red glasses. Although he's non-verbal so there was a bit of guess work in that. He does seem to have better depth perception when he wears them.

TotalChaos · 11/03/2009 20:55

i know a little about prosopagnosia - but never knew that specialist optometry could help, how interesting!

sphil · 11/03/2009 21:35

DS2 often appears not to be looking at things/people, but in fact he is, just using peripheral instead of central vision. He also seems to be able to pick up visual info from a very quick peripheral glance. Before I realised this (well, his therapist at Growing Minds pointed it out to me) I was always asking him to 'look' when in fact he was! It must have been bewildering for him tbh. And sometimes when he uses central vision his processing is really off - today he was mistaking an elephant for a snake, for example (the trunk??) and he finds it almost impossible to recognise photos.

Like Mrs T's DS, his eye contact is great when he wants something or when he's doing something he shouldn't be doing

amber32002 · 12/03/2009 06:35

The coloured lenses work for some people, not for others. Depends whether the problem is to do with the control of eye movements, or with the bit of the brain that processes them, I think. Worth a try, though.

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stressa · 12/03/2009 07:52

This was where I got my specs -

www.jordanseyes.com/

Yes I know I'm advertising but I think everyone should look at this website - relates to ASD, dyslexia, auditory processing etc. Ian Jordan is incredibly helpful and knowledgeable, you can phone him, and children's assessments usually NHS (cost of travel there usually less than private specialists).

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