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josey · 25/06/2008 22:53

Has anyone been through something like this?

I had my DD 3 weeks ago today and she was born with the cord tightly round her neck, she didnt breath for a long time and suffered a hit to the central brain.

She has been suffering seizures and has only started to wake up slightly from the sedation.

MRI suggests Cerebal palsy.

We are preparing to take her home and she will be tube fed for the time being, she seems to be recovering her gag reflex, can swallow and we have been given a little dummy for her to learn to suck properly, she can such but doesnt seem to know why she would want to IYKWIM

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theheadgirl · 02/07/2008 13:24

Just wanted to say welcome to the SN board Josey, and congratulations on the homecoming of your girl. My DD3's needs are very different to your LO, but I can relate to that early days feeling of things not being what you were expecting.
Wishing your family all the best, keep posting on her progress. And she WILL progress! xx

LMAsMummy · 03/07/2008 08:54

Am so glad your dd is home x

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Ladytophamhatt · 03/07/2008 14:31

Oh Josey, I saw your thread when you started it but I have no experience and it felt alittle intrusive to post.

Seeing your beautiful girl is home now is fantastic news, so I had to post.

She's adorable

Romy7 · 04/07/2008 09:43

josey, how wonderful to have her home - wishing you all the best xx

josey · 14/07/2008 22:31

Just wanted to post to day things have been good since DD has been home.

The hardest is she doesnt cry, if she gets really pissed off she mews a bit.

We have seen the community consultant ped and seem to be seeing her every 2 weeks, also the physio and Speech Therapist are coming to the house on Friday.

The community consultant was quite pleased with DD said she was alot better than what she was told to expect. Her aim is to keep her seizure free at the moment and hope she doesnt take chest infections.

DD is really starting to control her eyes as went she first started opening them she kept them rolled back, for longer periods she is holding them as she should,(consultant pleased with this and the way she moves them) Also she has started rooting before she is due to be fed. Her suck is getting better so hopefully one day we will get rid of her NG tube. Her movements are quite good as well she grips your finger and has started to raise her head when on tummy, better than DD1 did. Her range of movements are different.

The biggest problem I have come across so far is with the pharmasist being unable to get her meds, so I now have to travel into the hospital to get more insane!

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jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 14/07/2008 22:49

I'm glad she's progressing well josey. She really is utterly adorable. I'm glad all the services are kicking in early.

Romy7 · 15/07/2008 10:41

that's great - she sounds like she is doing really well. are you just topping her up with the ng? we used to suck feed each time to start and top up with what was left when dd2 got too tired...
good luck with physio and SLT - our feeding SLT was truly fantastic. and great news on the eyes too, and head control! clever girl!

josey · 15/07/2008 21:25

No unfortunately she is still fully NG fed, they wouldnt let us try at the hospital as they thought she aspirated milk at one point, as there was a slight cloud on an X-ray,even though someone said it wasnt milk. We will get there though I think that is why the CCP is keen on the SLT....apparently she is the head SLT for our area and is meant to be fab. If Im honest I dont think her suck is stronge enough yet...the main thing is her mind is linking them all together now.

Can I ask, those of you with LO's that suffer seizures, how do you deal with night time? DD seems to get colic after her midnight feed which makes her flap about, when the wind and grunting goes she then protests at being put down, which makes her flap about. I suppose I will get used to trusting my instincts but it scares the S**T out of me!

Sorry long post x

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Romy7 · 16/07/2008 10:09

hopefully the SLT will have a look on friday. dd2's suck was non-existent when she was born, but gradually developed. they wouldn't let us feed her for quite a while, but then slowly we managed to build it up from just a couple of sucks and the rest down the tube, to fully oral fed. we did go backwards briefly and have to have the ng put back in again, but it was only for a short period. hopefully you will be able to ask the SLT whether you will be able to try, or whether they are going to do a proper investigation... i'm pretty sure her swallow wasn't really safe for quite some time - lots of panicking and gargling and coughing/ choking, but we got there in the end. these days she argues with me about whether she can have an apple... good luck, hope she continues to do well!

AliceRosesMum · 16/07/2008 16:34

Hi- Im new here , and in a situation not too dissimilar to yours- my daughter is 5.5 months old now though. Dont give up ever- we were given so many 'she cant' 'she will never' and she has amazed them all. Very best of luck to you xxx

time4me · 16/07/2008 21:05

Hi - my son is 20 and is severely brain damaged following a brain haemorrhage at 5 days old.
It has been a long journey but my son has given me more joy than I can write down here.Good Luck xx

josey · 16/07/2008 21:58

Thank you everyone that had posted its good to know that achievements can be made and im not living in my own fairyland

Romy7 that is very incouraging thank you.

Had a different HV in today, she very quickly said oh what good head control, oh what a good suck reflex (dd was sleeping with her mouth going)

And she cried tonight only a very short spell but hey how to melt your mummy.

I had my 6week check today she was exactly 6weeks this morning, I got chocked leaving the house and was a mess at the docs. Especially as the doc didnt read my notes until he had started the questions, hows sleep hows feeds blah blah "oh your Olivias mum"hmmm

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Romy7 · 17/07/2008 09:12

lol josey - my gp used to panic and send me to the hospital every time i approached the building...

good news on the HV then - hope the SLT visit goes well! clever girl on crying (but not too much thank you - don't take a leaf out of my dd2's book and just do that for the next year now you've mastered it!)

you might find new-vis.com interesting - it's all about feeding and poor oromotor - our SLT recommended it to us. i think if you click on the 'feed your mind' link there's lots of interesting stuff... may be more useful later, but sometimes helps to decode what the SLT says...

good luck!

AliceRosesMum · 17/07/2008 10:18

josey- my doctors are terrified if I go there, they have very little understanding of my daughters condition and are a very small rural practice. We are considering moving to a different practice ( who dont call me up telling me off for missing appointments when actually we have been rushed back to ICU) and have some interest in understanding my daughters condition. If you can find a good HV / Doctor hold on to them tight, and if you feel like you arent supported- look elsewhere xxx

TJuice · 17/07/2008 11:44

hi josey -i'm from the june 08 thread. congrats!

glad you lo is home all cosy with you. she is so gorgeous!

hope you get all the support you need around you. xoxo

josey · 19/07/2008 10:20

Well shouldnt really diss my doc's to be honest some of them have phoned and asked if there is anything they can do just to phone-we are new to the area and some of them have never met us before!! I was just amuzing, maybe it will teach him to read his notes prior lol!!

Well DD slept soundly when physio and slt were in lol, they going to come into the pead appointment next week see if she is awake!

And she passed her newborn hearing test yesterday which they forgot to give her in hospital which if a relief.

The last couple of days have been strange as DH is away back to work,he works away so is currently in Norway. Im finding nights hard as im thinking too much or surfing hoping to find answers I will never find.

Im really pleased with DDs movements, head control and she is stretching arching her back pulling up her arms and legs in the cute new born way. Suck is getting better also.

What confuses me though is she has started doing these things, but as she gets older will she stop, will these movements be taken away by the condition, or would she just never have these movements full stop?

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brere1 · 19/07/2008 11:39

Hello Josie

I have been through a similar experience to you and wanted to tell you my story, in order to identify with what you are going through. My little boy suffered from profound brain injuries, which caused profound quadriplegic cerebral palsy, although this diagnosis does not do justice to the true nature and severity of his brain injuries!

My son was born at the North Staffordshire Maternity Hospital in Stoke ?On ? Trent on the 4th September 1987 and within thirty minutes was diagnosed with severe brain injuries, which was later refined to a diagnosis of CP. Like you, the doctors discussed turning all life support off, but fortunately for us, they coud not agree.

We were warned by the paediatrician that the fact he was able to make such an early diagnosis indicated a high degree of severity of the condition. ? He was not wrong and within a few weeks it became clear that I would be forced to give up my work as a chemist in the ceramics industry, in order to help my wife look after him. - Daniel rarely slept, he could stay awake for days and nights on end. This was an impossible situation for my wife to deal with alone and soon she was struggling to cope, whilst I went out to work.

Although in the early months of Daniel?s life, I was largely at home, I became increasingly interested in Daniel's problems and in human cognitive processes, so I decided to enrol for a university degree in psychology / child development at our local college of higher education, which is part of Manchester Metropolitan University. The structure of my chosen courses meant that I only had to be on campus part of the time, so I was still largely available to help with Daniel's care. Three years later I passed my degree with upper second class honours, my final dissertation being on the subject of 'Programmes of rehabilitation and their effects upon brain - injured children and their families.'

The three years of my degree studies paid off in more than one way, - not only did they foster in me a greater understanding of the difficulties Daniel faced, they also highlighted some useful techniques which we could employ in treating some of those difficulties; some of these techniques really had an impact upon his quality of life. My success in my studies also further fuelled my interest in this field and so I enrolled on further courses, eventually gaining post graduate qualifications in ?child development,? 'language and communication impairments in children,' and ultimately an MSc in cognitive neuropsychology. I was also fortunate to be involved in several research projects such as the construction of neural networks to mimic cognitive processes in children, the design and employment of sociocultural learning programmes with children who experience learning difficulties and the design and employment of various communication therapies for children who experience language and communication difficulties.

My studies at university also opened our eyes to alternative therapeutic interventions which were available and consequently, over time, we not only travelled the globe to seek help for Daniel's difficulties from these approaches, but I was given the opportunity to study at various clinics. We studied and employed alternatives at clinics in the UK and internationally. Some of these approaches we found useful and productive, - others we did not. In fact, more accurately, I would say we found some techniques within most approaches to be beneficial, whilst finding many other techniques within each approach to be of no benefit. We also found the intensive philosophy of some alternatives to be detrimental to Daniel and to us as a family. I guess what I am saying is that there is an element of truth in all approaches, but no one approach has a monopoly on the facts!

Our employment of many of these alternative approaches created a great deal of hostility within the ranks of the medical professionals who treated Daniel and over the years of his life we were subjected to a constant tirade of enmity. We arrived at the conclusion that this was as a consequence of their perceived loss of powers; - they seemed to think that any approach which we chose which was out of their circle of control, was a direct threat to their perceived competence, and they acted accordingly towards us. In truth, all we were trying to achieve was greater quality of life for Daniel by enhancing his developmental prospects. We found it amazing that we were subject to so much criticism for seeking answers to Daniel?s difficulties from a group of people who possessed no answers to those problems themselves.

Although throughout his lifetime, Daniel remained very severely handicapped, our efforts at helping him were far from fruitless. At birth, Daniel was cortically blind and deaf. This meant that although his eyes and ears were working normally, his brain was not interpreting the sensory information, which they were collecting. However, gradually through our utilisation of alternative methodologies, we restored both his vision and his hearing. This may sound small beer in the global picture of overwhelming global handicap, but for Daniel it meant that he could now see his Mum and Dad; - that he could see, hear and begin to interact with his two younger brothers. ? This revolutionised Daniel?s whole being.

Sadly, Daniel passed away four years ago last month from a rare and unforseen complication of his condition. We miss him terribly and there will always be a massive hole in our lives. How do you get over the death of a child? However, the snowball of enthusiasm and interest, which he created in me, - interest in helping to solve the problems many children face, rolls on.

Using all of the knowledge, which my son passed to me, (despite all my qualifications and research experience, he remains my most astute tutor), I am in the process of setting up a child development consultancy called 'Snowdrop.' www.snowdrop.cc It is in its infancy, but it aims to take all the knowledge and experience amassed over the years and to utilise it for the benefit of children and families like ourselves.

I just wanted to tell you never to give up. You CAN acheive miracles with love and determination. Good luck to you Josie, I was very moved by what has happened to you and I just wanted you to know that. If I can be of any help, you know where I am.

josey · 21/07/2008 11:23

Brere1 Thank you for sharing your story, what a remarkable journey you went on. I am very sorry that you lost Daniel. Thank you for the link to your website I will have a good look when I get some sparetime haha!!!

I think the main thing in my daughters case was she avoided being ventilated, if she had reached that stage then they would have told us not to continue, and Im sure some of the medical team hoped it would come to that IYKWIM.

I want to share a little good news, DD smiled at me yesterday, It wasnt a full beam but a half oh I recognise you!! If a little unsure It was there and Im so proud of her. Not bad considering they said she wouldnt make any developmental milestones!!

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Seuss · 21/07/2008 20:10

Lovely to hear you got a smile!

brere1 · 22/07/2008 07:39

A smile; - Wow! What did that make you feel like inside? There are some things which are simply priceless. I remember Daniel, - he went for such a long time not being able to see. - When we did develop his vision and he made eye - contact with mefor the first time, it was like time had stopped and he was looking directly into my soul.

Enjoy your smile, you earned it.

josey · 22/07/2008 23:16

I was just amazing I thought I would burst, though I did dame in my feeling quickly incase I was wrong. I have been getting alot of the time standing still looks, it is like she is staring right into me looking for something.

Community Pediatrician today, went really well, she saw a good improvement in 2 weeks. Said she has very good movement and she has become calm and handles well, the involuntary movements have calmed down and the range has increased. Head control good, she couldnt get her to fix/follow her black and white finger puppet though. She wants to get a new EEG to check for seizure activity so we can see where to go with the drugs and check there isnt anything underlying. Though very please she has stayed seizure free while she has been home.

And I have to say that a pediatrician tell you you are doing a good job/and giving possitive feedback makes you feel a bit better with life.

SALT coming to the house next week at her most awake feeding time so see what to do.

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Seuss · 23/07/2008 11:07

It sounds like you a both doing really well - keep up the good work.

Romy7 · 23/07/2008 11:39

that's fantastic news josey - she sounds like she is doing so well! my dd didn't manage a smile for a long time but it was well worth the wait - we had a lot of totally blank looking too. in our case facial expression was an effort for a long time, but she's pretty able now. good news on the hearing test too - we had about 6 recalls! how clever your dd is!
keep up the good work! and good luck with SLT next week!

manuka · 23/07/2008 11:52

Hello josey I haven't read the whole thread but I wanted to let you know about a wonderful girl with cp I had the honour of treating. (I do lymph drainage massage)
A was born with cp and put up for adoption. Her new mum is wonderful and has done LOADS of complementary therapies with her like massage etc and its helped A enormously. She is moving better and is learning to walk which was deemed impossible. Her mum takes her swimming and riding for the disabled which massively helps and she takes her to music concerts and theatre. All of this stimulation helps her and she is a really special girl my favourite patient! Lymph drainage helps her body to process waste more efficiently and helps her to move her bowels.
You may come accross some negative medical professionals who will predict only doom and gloom but that's their problem. People like that probably have a negative life so just leave their negativity with them and know that your dd can be as able as anyone. Just keep stimulating her and her brain will compensate in other areas which will lead to physical improvements.
Lots of love xxxx