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Children with SN - participation in church services and other worship etc

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SixSpotBurnet · 03/06/2008 17:29

I've been asked for help by someone who works for Barnardo's and who is doing a project on inclusion of children with SN in worship etc .

I've just jotted down a few things that seem to be to be barriers to inclusion - this is just about autism as that's what I know about. I'd really like some more input though, so if anyone has the time, I'd be very grateful!

? Environment ? children with autism often have a very strong dislike of strange/new environments. It is often difficult to get my son even to enter a new and unfamiliar place.
? Noise ? many children with autism are hypersensitive to noise ? organ music being the obvious example in a church context.
? Music ? children with autism often love music (although perhaps not loud organ music!) and react positively to it ? however they may become very upset when the music finishes!
? Lighting ? children with autism may have strong dislikes of both dark rooms, particularly those which are rather claustrophobic and don?t have windows and natural light, and rooms which are brightly lit with artificial light particularly if it is of the harsh, strip light variety.
? Joining in ? children with autism are unlikely to want to join in with group activities. Even children who are quite high functioning (such as children whose diagnosis is Asperger Syndrome rather than ASD) are likely to find this difficult, at least at first.

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NineYearsOfNappies · 04/06/2008 15:23

my eldest had a personal relationship with God on a level I couldn't begin to understand. We visited a church once which was very very "high" Anglican. Didn't do a thing for me but she just glowed throughout the whole thing. In our regular church dd is welcomed. Sunday school has been adapted and relocated and additionally staffed to include her - I sat in with them for a few weeks to teach them her communication and now they've got it. The other children are really happy to include her more or less. Gets a bit "ah bless" at times but she quite likes that...

amber32002 · 04/06/2008 16:04

I'd be really interested in finding out more about his work, since I'm writing/co-ordinating the Church of England autism guidelines.

Many excellent points here. I'd say for anyone with an ASD, flickering lights, intense smells, sudden loud noises, very complicated language, the place of worship being rearranged without notice, instructions that are just assumed rather than spoken, people making unexpected physical contact...loads of things that are really difficult to cope with in a standard church service. Easier if it's very structured, quite quiet, or very aspie-friendly and well thought out.

sphil · 04/06/2008 17:12

Ah yes - DS2 loved shouting in church! (And looking up to the ceiling to see where the noise had gone . And saying SHHHHH very loudly when the organist started playing. But we didn't have the roaming problem so was far easier to manage.

nikos · 04/06/2008 17:42

We're in a big church at the moment (over 1000) and we have a sn creche during one of the morning services. It only has one child in it which is all the more wonderful.
It's reallyimportant to look after the parents of children with sn. Make sure they are comfortable, someone else takes the child out if necessary so the parents can have a spitritual break.
Our last church was a small village church and there was a severely autistic young girl attended and the lovely vicar used to let her run around the altar when he was giving his sermon. It was truly inclusive

SixSpotBurnet · 04/06/2008 22:28

thank you all for your contributions on this thread

amber - email me on [email protected] and I will put you in touch with him

we had a good chat at lunchtime and he emailed me this afternoon to say he had read this thread and found it very interesting and would like to use some of your comments in a Barnard's newsletter - so if anyone has any objection to that please let me know

thanks again everyone

i think this is going to be a very interesting project to be involved in

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SixSpotBurnet · 04/06/2008 22:29

yurt/jimjams - that is helpful in that one of the points I made to this guy today is that the churches need to do some serious outreach work if they want to reach those who are interested but at the moment think it would be impossible for whatever reason to take their child with SN to church

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PeachyWontLieToYou · 04/06/2008 22:40

Our old vicar barred ds1 as he had a noisy tic- it wasn't that loud but it iritated her. Our current Vicar is much much mroe tolerant (I love that man).

My 8 yr old ASD child is very into religions as a study but not religious despite attending a faith school; ds2 nt is religious, ds3 couldnt tell us what he believes but will no doubt believe what he's told which at his school will be Christianity.

temperature in church very important for a range of sn; as is lighting for kids (and parents!) with vi

Anything can be overcome with the right Vicar or faith leader, ours doesnt bat an eyelid whatever ds3 does, even when he startedyelling yay and clapping everything in a very un- CoW way lol.

DS3 being Baptised soon we hope

Of curse there are also technical issues with things such as confirnation etc and how essential the Vicar considers it for membership if an SN child can't participate.

its an interesting debate anyway how much sn kids should be inolved- mine go to a Church school and attend sometimes; I know that as ds3 cant make reasoned judgements atm, some would class that as unfair brainwashing.

amber32002 · 05/06/2008 07:05

Would people mind if I used some of the comments (anonymised) in helping the Church of England, too? If so, please say and I won't.

PeachyWontLieToYou · 05/06/2008 12:42

feel free with mine- we're c of w (Church of Wales), so it's just geography lol

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