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Queenie85 · 19/01/2025 14:45

Toxic class (parents) at school

Just wanted to some advice about school.

For background: My 8 old daughter has additional needs, (ASD, ADHD and dyspraxia) and has an EHCP at school. When she started reception at school just under 3.5 years ago, she had no diagnoses, no EHCP and was still in nappy pants. Dad and I were fighting hard for diagnoses but had come up against significant difficulties with HV, GP, children’s Outreach Worker and preschool, only really got the support and understanding we needed when my daughter started school. They seemed to completely see her needs and immediately applied for an EHCP assessment. Before this, the professionals who were supposed to help us continually tried to blame our parenting. It was the most stressful time, as my husband and I knew we were trying our best and implementing every parenting strategy in the book. I also have 3 chronic illnesses and we have no family near, so we were actually doing pretty amazing. There were never any reasons for their false claims about our parenting; all of them tried to get social services involved several times and it kept getting closed down immediately, for obvious reasons.

Anyway, when my daughter started school, we had a really difficult first day, in that my daughter walked in with her best friend, (my neighbours little boy)- they had grown up together and spent almost every day together including at a shared childminder. They walked in together hand in hand, and when we got to the school gates, my neighbour separated their hands, cried and screamed at the top of her lungs that we would never ever walk in together again. That was it, no explanation. I burst into tears, took her into school and then took my other Sen child (he was 3 at the time) to the childminder. The childminder got me a cup of tea, listened to me and I explained I felt she was embarrassed of me and the kids. We had been best friends for such a long time and I felt she just let me down big time. She then walked in to drop off her daughter, asked if we had been talking about her, could see our guilty faces, and walked out. The following day, she removed her daughter from our childminder and ended her contract, out of nowhere.

Anyway, my daughter started at school and quickly made friends because she is such a lovely little girl. I realised pretty quickly though that she was never invited for play dates, hardly ever invited to parties, and that other parents hardly spoke to me. By the time my daughter entered year 1 at school, there seemed to be a really heavy toxic atmosphere in her class, not from the children, but from the parents. My friendship with my neighbour had deteriorated somewhat, but she was still, in my opinion, ‘pretending’ to be my friend. I felt like I was continually getting death stares from others, blanked by other parents and treated with absolutely no respect. I noticed that some of the other children were starting to treat my daughter in the same way.

By the end of year 1, my daughter had an EHCP in place. The school have never really followed her EHCP and I have held multiple reviews with the LA and senco, put in multiple complaints.
By the time my daughter started year 2, my son started in reception. The atmosphere was instantly different in his class, he also has additional needs, was recently diagnosed with ADHD and put on medication, is still awaiting an autism assessment. He was instantly invited to parties and to extracurricular activities with his classmates, the other parents spoke to me with respect and did not ignore me. He was included wholly, other parents told us what a good job we were doing, there were kind and supportive.

It was at this point that I realised that something was just not right in my daughter’s class, I instantly expected my son’s class to be the same and they were not.
My neighbour started being indirectly abusive to me at times, she started saying awful things about me being on benefits, she supported other neighbours in harrassment of us, I started realising that the parents giving us death stares were her best friends. I also was hit by another realisation: she was the receptionist at my doctors surgery, and the care we had there was awful. My neighbour said to me several times she had read my records (and the children’s, as well as our other neighbours) she told me really unprofessional things the Doctors had said about me. I had a number of unprofessional encounters with them, including a time where they totally neglected me and I actually had multiple blood clots on my lung but they refused to examine me properly. I could not get my kids referred under them at all. My neighbour used to take a lot of glee in telling me awful things (and lies) staff had written about me. I then realised she was directly involved, and moved myself, my husband and kids straight out of that surgery.

As soon as I moved, my new GP stated whole parts of my record had been deleted, which was disgusting to start with, and I wholly blame my neighbour. He immediately referred me out to 3 specialists, and my children started being diagnosed shortly after.

Well my neighbour did not like that we had moved without telling her, and I think she felt like she had lost control over us. Shortly after this, I was not well at all, I had multiple clots on my lungs again and could hardly breathe, I was struggling getting the kids to school and started walking them another way around because I was fearful I could not control the kids properly near a main road when I was so poorly, and knew that not one parent in my daughter’s class would offer to help. So she shouted out of the window at me in the garden one day, that another parent was gossiping about me, I asked what and she continued to make up a lie about why I was walking the wrong way to school. I told her what was actually going on and she told me I was lying and she had it on good authority I was lying! I said what reason would I have to lie and slammed the door on her! I could not understand what she was trying to do. The following week, she caught me outside the house and began shouting at me, that I was an awful friend, all I wanted was a pity party, and the reason I had no friends is because nobody liked me! I told her she was an awful friend let alone neighbours and had never supported me.

We didn’t speak for a month but soon after she apologised and tried to make it up to me. I was cautious, she didn’t come to my vow renewal and made up a crappy excuse, she was obviously still spreading rumours about me. On Halloween, another parent came to her door (her house wasn’t decorated) who she knows has been awful to me and my Sen daughter in public. I offered her daughter, who was dressed up a sweet, and she replied ‘we don’t want anything from you’! I was both shocked and confused, I was waiting for my neighbour to defend me, and when it didn’t come I just shut my door and began crying silent tears. When my neighbour returned from trick or treating, I asked are you friends now then? And she replied no, I have no idea why she was there. I asked why she didn’t defend me, and she said ‘I’m sorry, I was just as shocked as you were’. I said why did she say that to me, and she replied ‘I don’t know, she is just rude’.

I didn’t really buy it, and a few days later when she snuck in this particular parent into her house for a cup of tea after school run, and pretended it never happened when I asked her why she was there, and it just sealed it for me, I couldn’t trust her and we did not have a real friendship. It totally fizzled out for me, she kept pretending we were friends but I totally switched off after that. Last summer, she approached my PA, and told her that I was not disabled, that I lie and cheat the government, she should leave her family because she deserves better. She then shouted at my husband in the street, same old rubbish, tell her we are not friends, tell her never to talk to me, and then burst into fake tears while this other Mum, who has been nothing but rude to me, pulled her away saying ‘we were not worth it’.

I have now not spoken to her for 7 months. I found out she approached my Mum and told her she was a rubbish daughter and she deserves better, and approached our neighbour and told her that I didn’t like her. Unfortunately no matter what I have said I do not think my neighbour has believed me over her lies. I feel totally isolated in my community, I know she has stepped up her lies, she has become really antisocial, and worst of all, she is trying to get her son and all her friends kids to isolate my daughter at school. This started as not giving my daughter a Christmas card, but is progressing into trying to get her to call out in class (and get her in trouble) and stealing her belongings and throwing or hiding them. I have spoken to school and nothing is being done.

I realise now that my neighbour is a manipulative narcissist. It only took me 7 years. Other parents in my daughter’s class now don’t even acknowledge me, we get death stares daily, our neighbours are weird with us. I have had enough, I am having counselling for extreme anxiety.

I have no idea what to do about her flying monkeys and how to make things better for my daughter at school, I am fed up, mentally and spiritually broken and at a loss. If I could move I would. Has anyone else had anything similar and what do you do? I am told time will reveal what she is (and to be honest, all she does is bitch and gossip about others, including her own friends and neighbours) but in the meantime I have to live here. My daughter’s mental health is at an all time low, she self harms and shows signs of anorexia. I know she is not happy in her class and it hurts my heart that other adults can get children to make her feel a certain way. People are so cruel.

Any hints on how to deal with narcissistic neighbours/ narc parents or flying monkeys on the school run?

Many thanks for reading this far. I am on edge every day.

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BrightYellowTrain · 19/01/2025 16:23

I would stop interacting with your neighbour completely. Don’t be drawn back in to interacting with her. Ignore the others in the playground.

Contact the police if the neighbour is harassing you. Did you complain to the old GP practice? If not, you can still do that. Speak to the school about DD being excluded/isolated.

If provision detailed, specified and quantified in F is not being provided, it can be enforced. The LA is responsible for ensuring it is received. The timescales of the complaints process take too long. Send the relevant IPSEA model letter to the Director of Children’s Services. If that doesn’t work, you need a pre-action letter. Then, if that fails, judicial review proceedings themselves will work. However, this is only possible if F is detailed, specified and quantified. If it is vague and woolly, it cannot be enforced and you should request an early review.

Queenie85 · 19/01/2025 16:40

Thank you for replying, yes I stopped engaging with her and her flying monkeys entirely about 7 months ago when it all kicked off with her. I know this was for the best, and this is the advice my counsellor gave me too. I feel more isolated than ever though.

I did contact the police, they said I would need to keep a log and sent me some victim support info.

I actually started a complaint with the ICB about my old GP practice a couple of weeks ago, and they said they would need to share it with my old GP surgery. I told them my concerns about this, with my neighbour being a narcissist and my thoughts about them being unprofessional, the ICB told me they would have to inform her that they were investigating her, they told me they could not keep me or my family safe, and I immediately felt she would make things even worse in our community (as if they could get much worse) and that her flying monkeys would be worse to me as a result also, and so I completely dropped the complaint out of shear fear.

I contacted my child’s Sen lead at the LA about her EHCP and they suggested a meeting last week. Tbh, we have had so many meetings about them not following EHCP, promises get made and then it never happens. So I have been slow about agreeing to any meeting. School have also done, what they so often do whenever I have complained, and blamed our parenting and her home life (this time blaming the fact that she came of ADHD meds but it was her own choice as she felt unwell and I immediately asked for a meds review which took 6 weeks to put in place and happened weds). School are always very keen to put it back on us if something is not right.

Her teacher seems so dozy, does not even appear to have read her EHCP, they do not have enough adults in class to be actively following it. I don’t think her teacher understands or cares about how the lack of support will be affecting my daughter mentally nor does she seem bothered when we told school she was getting picked on. They don’t seem to be supporting or protecting my daughter at all. I realise I need to take this meeting but I hate not having an advocate and feel overwhelmed by it all. Our local SENDIASS stopped providing advocates for school meetings a few years ago. I am not well at all on a daily basis and I have major surgery in 8 days and it feels like a lot to take in at the moment too! I feel solely like I am the only one who can advocate for my daughter. My husband is great but works full time, finds admin difficult and also has ADHD himself so gets really overwhelmed. I am finding it all a bit of a nightmare at the moment. I wish I had more support generally, from family, the community, from school. I just feel always on my own x

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Ohthatsabitshit · 19/01/2025 16:49

You don’t have to interact with her at all ever again. Just try to carry on as if she doesn’t exist.

BrightYellowTrain · 19/01/2025 17:01

Have you had social care assessments? If not, Contact has model letters you can use to request assessments. A carer’s assessment for you and an assessment via the children with disabilities team for DC. You can also request an assessment of your own needs.

The LA is ultimately responsible for ensuring the provision in the EHCP is provided. Don’t let them pass the buck and fob you off.

If the class teacher isn’t acting on the bullying, have you spoken to the headteacher and SENCO?

Have you ever considered other schools?

Queenie85 · 19/01/2025 19:01

I am trying my best to do this and ‘grey rock’ her. It is terraced housing and our kids are in the same class so unfortunately I can’t just get away from her entirely 😞 I also can’t get away from her ‘friends’ who give me evils on a daily basis.

I have had a social care assessment and i actually have 5 hours personal budget a week and hire a PA to help me. The children had an assessment but we weren’t entitled to help or respite. At one point I had a support worker from social services, she came to see us twice but said unfortunately she could not keep us open as there was nothing they could help us with.

The headteacher is the one that has fobbed me off about the bullying, but senco wants a meeting. I am considering it will have to be this week now as I won’t be able to mobilise soon and my hubby is not keen to attend meetings. Although we could always zoom I guess. I just have a sick feeling about meetings because I feel we always get fobbed off x

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BrightYellowTrain · 19/01/2025 19:36

Even if you live close to the neighbour and see the neighbour and her friends at school, you don’t have to interact with them.

Request new assessments for DC and complain if they refuse to assess or refuse support. Also look at the short breaks offer.

If the headteacher has ignored you about the bullying, have you complained to the governors?

Queenie85 · 19/01/2025 19:51

That is the one thing I haven’t done, contact the governors, mainly because I didn’t want to affect our relationship with school. But to be honest, relationship is not good now anyway.

I absolutely do not interact with any of them. I can still feel their daggers though!

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BrightYellowTrain · 19/01/2025 19:55

I absolutely do not interact with any of them. I can still feel their daggers though!

Just ignore them.

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