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2nd MMR Jab

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monkeypie · 25/02/2008 21:20

My DS is due his "nd MMR Jab in next yr and as much as i am 99% convinced that it has no connection i was just wondering if any of you with ASD kids had second thought about NOT giving it? Am i just being silly or is it quite normal to feel this way as DS is due assesment for ASD in few weeks time?

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TotalChaos · 25/02/2008 21:22

I feel exactly the same way. I had just about steeled myself to get DS done tomorrow, but he is at the tail end of a virus, so GP felt I should postpone the booster.

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monkeypie · 25/02/2008 21:29

GOD it's so hard isn't it. As much as i have convinced myself it is genetic i still can't stop myself from wondering would it have made a difference if i had not given MMR. So now the booster is looming i feel sick at the thought of it. I had a tough time deciding whether to give first MMR and that's when i had no concerns about DS. Thanks for reply TC i thought i was going to be shouted at for 'going there' with the MMR convo.

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TotalChaos · 25/02/2008 21:32

omg yes, I am thinking it's genetic too, me and DH are probably floating pretty close to AS, we have lots of OCD/people with fanatical interest in maps/records/transport in both our families!

DS was MMRed at about 15 months - and I feel the problems only really came about when he was 2 - that the language development stagnated between 2 and 3. So I can't honestly say that I feel the original MMR caused the problem.

noone on here will mind you wibbling about the MMR - I spoke about it on a thread recently, a few other posters had very similar worries.

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monkeypie · 25/02/2008 21:48

My DS had MMR at 13months and i had a few niggles which i now know were signs, like him not smiling till later than normal, he was always called a serious child. He was the worst sleeper in the world and due to my job i couldn't give him a routine for bedtime- i do believe that made a massive difference to him. I packed in work and had his bedtime rountine sorted in about 3 months, now he is an angel at going to bed. But in spite of all the things beofre MMR there is still that little voice in your head saying 'hmmm is it or isn't it going to make things worse'?
As a single mum it seems to be more of an added burden as there is only me to make decision, so only me to blame

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monkeypie · 25/02/2008 21:49

I meant i had niggles before MMR btw.

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nightcat · 25/02/2008 22:08

I didn't give my ds a booster (he is 15 now)

sphil · 25/02/2008 22:32

I've decided not to give either of my boys the booster. But DS2 started his regression immediately after having the first one. I know Yurt gave me some sensible advice when I was deciding - if you search archives you might find it. I can't remember it in enough detail to do it justice but I know it made sense at the time!

That sounds awful doesn't it? But I did go to bed at 1.30am last night, in my defence...

PipinJo · 25/02/2008 23:32

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TotalChaos · 25/02/2008 23:34

Yurt has recently recommend a book by a GP called Richard Halvorsen about the jabs. Trying to remember the title.

twocutedarlings · 26/02/2008 08:01

Ive also agonised over the MMR booster. DD is now 5.5 (AS) and she stated school in september.

My main issue is that there is not genetic link in either sides of our familys.

I posted a thread here about it at the time ill have look and bump it for you as the advice i got was excellant,

Shes still not had the booster btw.

I think im going to have single, but im still not totally convident with this option either tbh.

macwoozy · 26/02/2008 08:11

Ds didn't have the booster even though I'm convinced the MMR didn't cause his autism. I didn't want to take even the smallest chance that the booster could make it worse.

needmorecoffee · 26/02/2008 08:20

I didn't know they got 2. Why is that?
None of my kids are vaccianted.

MaryBS · 26/02/2008 08:31

DS wasn't diagnosed with Asperger's/ASD until after he'd had both jabs. I don't believe they made any difference in his case. I believe he inherited it from me (as I have so many of the same traits he has).

DD on the other hand did not have the second vaccine as she had a bad reaction to the first when she was 2 (was like a zombie for 3 days, about 2 weeks after the jab). DD does not have ASD.

NMC - the second is because the first is about 90% effective.

yurt1 · 26/02/2008 08:36

PipinJo - type cry chame autism into google then have a read of the GMC hearing diaries. Even with the reporters obvious beliefs it makes for some pretty grim reading (as in why on earth are these doctors on trial). Although to be honest I've been stunned at how many people haven't taken the opportunity to stick the knife in. Richard Horton for example, editor of the Lancet and apparently no friend of Wakefields said that the original paper was excellent science or words to that affect and that it still stands today. I can't imagine that he'll get off (too much fall out if he does), but I can't actually see what they can do him on at the moment. It all seems above board. Really worth reading although you need a spare day.

The trial restarts next month. Quite a few friends are predicting report of 'mass measles outbreaks' between now and then. Those reports started right before the beginning of the trial.

The get because some people don't get immunity after the first needmorecoffee. It wears off though- in the States they give a booster at an older age to protect into adulthood.

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monkeypie · 26/02/2008 10:09

Thanks as usual ladies all your comments much appreciated and PipinJo you are absolutely right about trusting my instincts, thanks for reminding me that. I really don't think i will allow him to have it. Those of you that didn't have the booster for kids, did you get alot of hassle for not having it from GP/HV etc?? Not that it will change my mind but it might prepare me for getting some stick.

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yurt1 · 26/02/2008 12:37

ds2 and ds3 haven't had any jabs. DS1's last jab was the single measles at 15 months (he's now almost 9). Never had any hassle at all.

MaryBS · 26/02/2008 14:59

MP, the GP kept sending me appointments and I kept cancelling them. The last appointment which came through, was for while we were on holiday, and I didn't cancel it - but we moved house the following week, so never got any more stick.

When DD (now 8) had a rash last year and we went to the GPs (it was chickenpox), we found out that the previous surgery had said she HAD HAD it, the date being the date we were on holiday! . So no, I don't get any flack!

macwoozy · 26/02/2008 20:49

I didn't get any hassle neither, I explained my concerns and they accepted it.

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monkeypie · 26/02/2008 21:02

Well he turned 3yrs last month and is starting nursery in 5 weeks time so i'm sure the letter will arrive fairly soon. Thankyou all again as you have helped me feel at ease with the fact that i really wasn't happy about the booster being given. I had no idea about the 90% covered with the 1st injection, so that helped me make my mind up too. I may look into DS having the single measles jab but atm i'm happy for him to not have anymore Jabs.

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CaptainPlump · 26/02/2008 22:54

I wish I'd read this thread before yesterday! I had already voiced concerns about my DS having autism before he had his MMR at 13 months and he didn't seem to react to it at all, so when we got the appointment for his booster jab last month I couldn't think of any logical reason to refuse it. He had the jab yesterday, and I think that my feelings of unease and guilt are more connected to having immersed myself in all of the issues surrounding autism since his diagnosis. I'm 100% sure that the first MMR shot didn't cause his autism, but it still felt wrong getting the booster.

PipinJo · 27/02/2008 00:06

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yurt1 · 27/02/2008 08:57

here pipinjo

Do read the GMC hearing diaries as well and of course JABS

heartinthecountry · 27/02/2008 13:38

Yurt recommended Richard Halverson's book to me and I would definitely pass on the recommendation for anyone with concerns about any vaccination. There's quite a lot to read and digest but I found it really informative and has helped my make decisions about vacs for my dds.

Noticed that his thoughts about MMR are on yurts GMC link above, so could just see that rather than buy the book!

PipinJo · 29/02/2008 17:28

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