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Greensleeves · 06/02/2008 11:23

have been advised to post this in special needs - hope nobody minds.

I had a meeting with ds1's teacher a couple of days ago about his behaviour/progress, he has had an IEP since nursery which relates partly to the need to adapt the literacy curriculum a bit because he can already read, but is mostly to do with social interaction difficulties.

I said I was concerned that his behaviour was deteriorating (much more flapping/bouncing/squeaking/inappropriate behaviour than previously). The teacher agreed and told me that his interpersonal relations with his peers were not good at all - he approaches other children inappropriately (no idea of personal space, shouts in people's faces even when being friendly etc), is unable to take on board their reactions or wishes, can be verbally unkind without seeming to realise it etc. I said that he had been telling me nobody likes him and that he had no friends. The teacher told me that that very day he had said "I hate you!" to another child and then been surprised when that child didn't want to sit with him. She said that he was not aggressive, liked the other children, wanted to please and was not the worst behaved child in the class - but that he was very hard work (he is very difficult to control when he is in one of his twisty flappy squealy moods, even if all the other children are sitting down and the adult is cross - I know this behaviour very well from home) and socially his progress is very limited.

The teacher then shocked me a bit by saying "we really feel that our strategies are running out and the time has come to bring in someone from outside". I said (nonchalantly, because I didn't want to put words in her mouth) so would you say in your opinion - because you know more children than I do - that this is the result of some sort of emotional trauma or disturbance, or something intrinsic to Greencuff's personality?". She said very definitely "In my opinion this is not nurture, it is nature, and whatever parenting you had given him Greencuff would still be as he is". She then proceeded to tell me that she would like my consent to immediately talk to the senco and arrange assessments by ed psych/paediatrician. I said (again, trying to sounds in the dark, so as not to influence her response) "So are you thinking he ahs a particular condition, like - I dunno - something on the autistic spectrum, or ADHD, or something like that?". She said (looking a bit surprised) "Well, yes, actually I think in my opinion that he does have some form of autism, obviously I'm not a specialist but I do have some experience and I had an autistic child in my class last year - he wasn't identical to Greencuff, but there are some significant parallels". She then said that the TA who also had experience agreed with her and they weren't in much doubt. Then she said lots of nice things to make me feel better (don't blame yourself, there's lots of halp if we flag things this early, etc). She gave me a copy of the referral form they use, to take home and show dh, and said she would set things in motion immediately.

The next morning I went in and the new teacher (current teacher is going on maternity leave in 2 weeks, so new teacher is kind of job-sharing atm to get the children used to her) asked me very kindly whether I was OK. She said current teacher had spoken to her last night and told her what was happenening with ds1. She also said "I have been teaching for longer than I care to remember - I taught that mum over there - and I have thought since I met Greencuff that he was autistic"

They asked me to go to my GP and let him know that they would be writing to him to ask for a consultant paediatric referral. They also have already spoken to the school senco and she is going to assess him briefly herself and then get an ed psych to assess him.

I did go to my GP and he didn't bat an eyelid at the suggestion ds1 might have ASD - I ran the idea by him myself six months ago when the nursery first suggested the IEP, but the nursery staff weren't suggesting ASD so I decided to leave it until he started school and see what happened. The GP at the time seemed surprised that they hadn't considered ASD - his words "bright child, obsessions, social/communication dificulties - it's an obvious thing to at least rule out".

They are all behaving as though he deifinitely has it and it's a fait accompli - how seriously should I take it? I didn't feed them the idea, they had already had it, separately from one another (new teacher said she hadn't mentioned her concerns to anyone).

I know it will take ages to get the referral, and I have heard a bit about how long and horrendous getting a diagnosis is - can anyone give me a better idea of what to expect? And am I jumping the gin by being in bits about this, even though I had had my own suspicions for years and shouldn't be surprised?

Sorry this is a bit of an epistle.

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Greensleeves · 08/02/2008 15:49

no yurt, his initials are DM - I wonder if you've heard of him?

Thanks for your support on this and the other thread, I genuinely appreciate it.

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yurt1 · 08/02/2008 16:11

No, different LEA. I only came across AW because ds1's mainsteam school was in your LEA and he came out to see ds1, and since then I've met him through work. Hopefully your will be good as well!

aefondkiss · 08/02/2008 19:15

greensleeves I hope it goes as well as it can telling your Dad.

Greensleeves · 08/02/2008 23:42

well it didn't go too badly - he wasn't as surprised as I thought he'd be, and his lady friend is a deputy head (primary) and said she wasn't at all surprised . My dad just launched into a long rambling speech about his own childhood, he is convinced ds1 gets it from him.

I am stupidly upset though, I can't think why, nothing has really happened - he hasn't been diagnosed, and I knew it was on the cards anyway...

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aefondkiss · 09/02/2008 00:00

I can't really help you with the upset Greensleeves, it is like you have to go into mourning, I still get those moments, I know my ds is healthy and happy but ....

TotalChaos · 09/02/2008 09:20

glad your dad didn't go in for weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth!

It takes time to take it all in - we all want to make everything perfect for our kids, the possibility of a diagnosis can pull the rug under all our naive assumptions. So unfortunately I think it's only natural to be feeling as you do Greeny.

yurt1 · 09/02/2008 09:59

Gawd greensleeves ds1 was diagnosed in 2002- five and a half years ago, and it's only now that I feel like I've actually picked myself up off the floor. Remember- you are allowed to feel shit about it all.
Glad your dad (and lady friend ) were supportive.....

ALMummy · 09/02/2008 10:07

Feeling a bit tearful as I read this thread. Firstly because it is such a relief to read that so many others are in the same place as me and DS.

aefondkiss - You could be writing about my DS. I have spent the past years trying to convince myself there is nothing and then another day being sure there is something but never quite knowing. Has been an awful year, especially as ex DH refused point blank to accept anything could be wrong. Have felt so alone. ex DH is coming round now though. He had to really as two schools have now expressed concern.

DS is being referred to SENCO. Could anyone tell me what else I can do to get things moving. I took him to my GP and he said he seemed fine so I am not too sure of the next step. Sorry to hijack Greensleeves didnt see much point in starting a new thread because this one was so similar to me and DS.

Greensleeves · 09/02/2008 15:27

You're not hijacking ALMummy, your post is completely relevant and very welcome Sorry you're going through this too, it is stressful.

yurt1 that's interesting, I suppose it's easy to assume 'other people' cope much better with this sort of thing.

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catok · 09/02/2008 15:41

ALMummy - suggest you keep a diary - just a comment when things don't seem quite right. I gave mine to the doctor when DS was doing angelic act while I was stressed out, and he suddenly agreed that there was a pattern over a year and more which was worth further investigation. Hope that helps!

yurt1 · 09/02/2008 16:19

well ultimately you have no choice, so you do cope and get on with stuff and live life. But I would say it's only recently that I feel more at peace with ds1 being severely autistic.

Greensleeves · 11/02/2008 14:07

ds1's teacher has asked me to come in after school today so I can read the letter the school has sent to my GP. Does anyone know what I can expect here - will it be a report of some kind with lots of information/comments about him? Or just a covering letter with nothing much to it?

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yurt1 · 11/02/2008 16:48

Greensleeves why are they sending a letter to your GP? Is it for a referral to CAMHS? If so I would imagine it will be brief.

Greensleeves · 11/02/2008 19:01

OK the letter is basically a long list of his behaviours - about 30 points. The teacher warned me "it is quite hard-hitting" - which it bloody well is inevitable it reads as quite damning to my eyes - but it's very thorough and covers everything I would have thought relevant.

She said the letter is to put the GP in the picture as to what's happening at school. She told me to make an appointment with my GP and request a referral to a consultant paediatrician as soon as possible.

I am feeling a bit lost now, I don't know the system - I know who CAMHS are, but is that a separate route from going via the paediatrician?

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yurt1 · 11/02/2008 19:18

We avoided CAMHS as we saw a paediatrician etc though the child development centre. I think once you hit school age you can no longer access CDC's for new referrals (although I really could have that totally wrong) and so you go via CAMHS. If you can avoid CAMHS I would, just because I've heard of so many problems with them. I have no experience myself though so that's just hearsay.

yurt1 · 11/02/2008 19:19

The diagnostic/service seeking reports are always horrible. We didn't get a nice report about ds1 until he went to SLD/PMLD school. His mainstream annual review report made him sound like an animal.

Greensleeves · 11/02/2008 19:22

yurt1 that must have been awful to read

this one makes ds1 sound like a spoilt, uncaring, sociopathic loon. Which he isn't....but all of the things in the report are true of him, I can't say they aren't.

My GP is supportive though, I think he will make the referral without a fuss. I suppose I will have to develop thicker skin quite quickly.

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Greensleeves · 11/02/2008 19:28

LOL, he's just appeared at the top of the stairs stark naked with his handz on his hips amd said "Right, this is IT - I want one of you to reach up and pull down the night and put it in the BIN"

and is now rolling around on the landing squealing and squeaking [head-in-oven emoticon]

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yurt1 · 11/02/2008 19:33

I did cry when I read the mainstream school one. BUt the one that came a few months later from the special school was so lovely it almost made up for it.

I don't know if you ever get a thicker skin. I think I stopped reading them with anything other than a 'is this going to get him help' type head on.

twocutedarlings · 11/02/2008 19:34

www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1045&a=3275

www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.j sp?d=1348&a=2239

www.info.autism.org.uk/Pages/Browse.aspx?gn=80&ar=1&hi=-1

These pages from the NAS website will explain things a little better, this first 2 are all about the assessment process. The last one is a search facilty for the UK, if search your area, you should be able to find out where your son will be seen.

Hope this helps xx

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