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'Behaviour support' woman out to get me...or am I being paranoid?

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daisy5678 · 11/01/2008 17:40

When J started at the school, in Reception, he had a fortnightly social skills group (1 hour per week) with a teacher from the Primary schools Behaviour Support Service. She was very positive about him and also very supportive in terms of offering us advice for his behaviour at home. He had full time support in Reception, 23 hours from the statement and the rest subsidised by the school.

In Year 1, the school and I disagreed about how much support he needed - I felt that half an hour a day unsupported to try to build independence was OK but only if there was a back up to make him safe, but when the school wanted there to be much more than that, we disagreed. I was also told by a parent who helped at the school that this cutting of hours was a money saver as they wanted to use his TA elsewhere . They got this PBSS woman in to a review to state that J needed more independent time and then at the next review, she sent her colleague (who'd never met J), who was really unpleasant to me and said how lucky J was to have 23 hours support and most children didn't have that much and did I want him to be statemented forever? errr no, but if he needs it, he needs it!

At subsequent reviews, the first woman (who I'll call Emma) was very dismissive of me and openly scornful about things we were trying with J, like reading books with him about ADHD. She just kept stating that J needed to learn to risk take and needed to be more independent. I kept saying that wanting him to be that way doesn't make him so. She was unimpressed and showed it. I was slightly bothered, but not massively; I know that I know my son best!

Emma doesn't work with J anymore BUT she is on the panel who makes the decisions about SEN statementing hours. I know that she has been instrumental in keeping his hours down because she wants him to 'risk take' and he made so much progress in Year 1. Yeah, but what: risk-take out into the road? Risk-take scissors into someone's face? Risk-take to the extent that he gets permanently excluded? Yes, he did make some progress in Year 1, but the school are now even more concerned at his behaviour and dangerous actions than I am (now in Y2) and are providing 2:1 support at times, and insisted at the Annual Review this year that they agree with me (now) that full time support is essential and ARE providing it, but the Junior school won't be able to take him without the full time support.

So she's holding back his hours, based on having worked with him maybe 30 hours in 2 years. Me and the school...we're with him full time, so it's really unfair that she's able to do this . Again, unimpressed, but not able to do much about it really - ex has written a letter asking that the panel should focus only on the evidence that the school provides and not on random people's opinions.

Then at Christmas, Emma's service sent an outreach worker to 'help me' with 'my problems with J'. What the outreach worker actually did was make it clear that Emma has been slating me, saying how I'm so over-protective, obsessed with changing the statement and just need to treat J like a normal child and not bother with the home-school liason book because it makes him stand out (though I personally think that the spinning, the meltdowns, the running off, the shouting and the violent attacks on everyone at school probably make him stand out more ). These are all things that Emma has said/ implied, so they can only have come from her and her other colleague.

Again, unimpressed, but I just thought, I won't work with this outreach worker if she's just going to use the sessions to push propaganda at me about how stupid I am!

But today, I spoke to J's new social worker, who said she'd spoken to all relevant professionals (but not the consultant bit strange) and now had done the assessment. She also said she'd spoken to Emma! I said, I bet that was interesting and asked if she'd been negative about me. SW said she tries to be objective and wouldn't say and then said I need to work with the Behaviour Support Service outreach person. I explained that I didn't want to work with someone who just thinks negative, untrue things about me. Now, she didn't say i was being paranoid, so I'm guessing Emma did slag me off to her or she would have said no, there's no issue there.

I'm so angry that the opinion of someone who knows my son so less well than I or the school do is having so much power over me and over J and what he gets offered by the LEA and Social Services!

I'm also really really upset that my parenting is being questioned. It makes me doubt myself. SW says I must work with this outreach person because the other autism behaviour team only work with those 8 and over. But I can't work with her with this on my mind!

My question is (and well done for sticking with me this long!), do I write to/ ring this Emma and try to sort things out? We used to get on - she even wrote a report where she said how well I'm doing with parenting J - and I don't get why she's so radically changed in her opinion of me.

If I leave it, I won't be able to stop being upset about it. If I talk to her/ write to her, I hope I can get her to see how things are for J at home and at school and how he's having meltdowns daily and how working with him in a small group is her only basis for saying I'm worrying about nothing, whereas the school and I are in complete agreement about how bad things have got.

What do you think? Thanks in advance for your help...waiting on your replies/ advice to make a decision!

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Peachy · 11/01/2008 17:51

We'vre had 2 BSW's

1st one recommended that we lock ds1 in his room of an evening and at night time to keep him in bed, and remove all his toys he was obsessed with if he was naughty (NAS were mighty p'd off, said this is abusive with ASD). He also said we were crap parents (met him for half an hour max), and that ds1 clearly was not on the spectrum.

Not long after DS1's dx, this chap was sacked and is apaprently employed elsewhere in the country, sadly in a smilar role.

BSW no 2- for ds3. Again, he's not ASD- she can tell in minutes apaprently . OCuld we wait until Autumn to apply for a statemnt? (er no or he'd not have it for school- was due to start September then), load of crap delaying stuff but no advice.

She retired at Eastr (presumably hence the delayed statemnt application), but not until after we complained- apaprently she got a right B**king from her bosses (and I got a few snide comments from school but hey ho!)

Peachy · 11/01/2008 17:52

Sorry- what I emant by all that drivel was-

turns out behaviour support wrokers dont always haev much in the way of training and theya re answerable for funding decisions amde for kids in their caseload, therfore they can morph into cows unexpectedly

daisy5678 · 11/01/2008 17:58

Thanks for replying Peachy [shock[ at yours! 'Emma' is a teacher though so only was advisory role until got on the LEA panel.

What do you think I should do - any contact with 'Emma' or work with other woman (outreach worker) (guessing you think not!) or do nothing???

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Bink · 11/01/2008 20:07

Is there a chance you can win over the outreach person, and just work with & through her?

"Emma" sounds like a lost cause - taking you & your ds intensely personally & therefore with no objectivity left - she sounds as if she had your ds's progress all mapped out in her head, and has had her nose put out of joint by losing her control over him (which she is now trying to wield in another way). Bit creepy really.

Which is why I think you should see if you can outflank her. Invite the outreach person in to "observe" a meeting between you and the school, where you can demonstrate how in-agreement you and the school are? Eg.

Bink · 11/01/2008 20:10

Oh, and don't contact Emma. And if the outreach worker quotes anything that must have come from her, look politely baffled & say I think that information may be out of date. And then go on talking about the school's current, real, day-to-day experience. That the school agrees with you is your big strong point.

daisy5678 · 11/01/2008 20:20

Thanks, Bink. I guess Emma is a lost cause, but still clearly wielding a LOT of power over what he gets at school and through social services by having her position, so if I could win her over, she might use her powers for good rather than evil! But I agree that I probably need to try to work with outreach woman, esp as SW is so keen.

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daisy5678 · 11/01/2008 20:21

Oh, and the other thing was, at the session with the outreach worker, I couldn't get her OFF the subjects SHE wanted to talk about (like, why have a Home-School Book, why worry about J) as she was so busy pushing the party line, so how much use is she going to be to me?

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Nat1H · 11/01/2008 20:40

I would contact your local MP. Tell him/her everything! I have done this in the past and it is AMAZING the results you get!!

daisy5678 · 11/01/2008 20:53

I think I have left my MP in peace for too long. I think I need to summon up the energy and write a long letter...yet another. Someone on here (I think Yurt or Peachy) recently said that dealing with the children's 'issues' is liveable with, but it's the fighting that does for us...I could not agree more

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Nat1H · 11/01/2008 20:58

I know it's a complete pain to have to write YET ANOTHER letter, but it will be worth it. Tell your MP how often you have to write letters to get results. I am sure they will be able to help!
Good luck, and I hope you get the support J needs.

daisy5678 · 23/01/2008 23:13

I have written to MP...finally!

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yurt1 · 24/01/2008 08:13

Have had a friend in a very similar position (her dd has very high functioing AS, but loads of anxiety issues plus attachment disorder). Erm will have a think for you. Sounds unbearable but as to what can be done about it..... surely something- I think my friend took complaints to the top of the LEA - she did have a professional in a high position (top paed I think) supporting her though. Do you have anyone who outranks the BSW on your 'side' so to speak. It's good that the school agree with you.

I've also had a professional (who had never met me, nor ds1) slagging me off to a school so I know the feeling. The originator of the chinese whispers is the most useless 'specialist' SALT I have had the misfortune to come across- she truly knows nothing about her specialism. What really helped deal with that was gradually over the years meeting various parents who had come across her- not one had had a good experience, one had written a letter of complaint about her etc I now actually go out of my way to talk to parents who are going through the place she works in case they have her- so if they do they can be reassured. She is a dangerous woman.

I have just downloaded the SN code of practice- it's at work at the moment and I'll be in there tomorrow - I could browse it for you (or you could have a look online) - there may/should be ammunition there for letter writing (quoting the code of practice at LEA's is always useful).

magsi · 24/01/2008 10:48

I think what yurt's friend did in taking it to the top would be a great idea. Not quite sure myself how you should do it, but the very fact you have the school on your side is your strongest 'weapon'. I'm not too hot on the politics of all of this, but I would also show J's Paed your post here. Surely he has to support your case aswell as changing the 1:1 hours could be detremental to J's health. Get a letter of support from him.

Wishing you lots and lots of luck you get what you want for J. I am dreading this happening. I also have a J who has moved from special school to Mainstream. He is in Receiption/Year 1 and has a full-time 1:1. I was so 'scared' of leaving the system when we moved him over and am expecting things to slip soon.

I would avoid 'Emma' as much as I possibly could. Sometimes you wonder if the 'power' people are given goes to their head and they get obsessive about getting 'their' own way.

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