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MEETING toda at 11.30am with consultant paed and head of childrens services

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jenk1 · 19/12/2007 10:12

re our complaint of last month where the paed dx,d dd with an ASD and withdrew it 2 days later as he "hadnt read the file properly and the ed psych completely contradicts what you are telling me"

me and xdh are going, im very nervous, i dont know what they are going to say or do, on saturday i had a letter from dd,s new constultant at the hospital she is being transferred to saying she wants to see dd herself personally and not a member of her team so i dont think the old hospital are going to dx her today with anything as its clear the new one is taking over.

but i think i will kick off a bit (cos thats my nature!!) and demand at least an apology in writing if they refuse to dx, i dont know what else we can do really.

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aquariusmum · 19/12/2007 10:54

I found saying that I had taken informal legal advice was a good line, but also mention that a friend you have in PR (me!) says the Daily Mail would be very interested in your story as they are looking for stories on govt SEN policy. Good luck, Jenk1, I know you will fight hard. Iron fist in velvet glove is good - ie what you say is harsh but how you say it is terribly civil, so they can't ever accuse us of being hysterical mums. Big hug for luck!

dustystaronthechristmastreeMSC · 19/12/2007 11:13

Good luck jenk

coppertop · 19/12/2007 13:35

No advice but I just wanted to say good luck with the meeting. xx

jenk1 · 19/12/2007 15:22

well it went ok sort of, we didnt get a dx however.................

at first the meeting was very tense with the consultant talking over us and not letting us speak, she said there needed to be more evidence for a dx of ASD, i asked her how much more evidence did she want, and did she not believe what we were telling her, oh no no i do believe you but she appears to function well in nursery so i said yes well lots of children DO, my own son in particular appeared to function well in school but he still got a dx of AS when he wasnt it school for 2 years, she rambled on and on about there not being enough evidence so i opened up my file and pulled out the DSM-IV criteria and reeled off why dd SHOULD have a dx of an ASD, she went extremely quiet and i did all the talking for the next few minutes, she said
im not saying she ISNT ASD im saying that there are only SOME features, so i said ok well what about a PDD-NOS dx then?
she went very quiet again.
she said (after flicking through dd,s notes) we could be talking pathalogical demand avoidance syndrome here because what you are telling me and the professionals are telling me is making me think of this,but we would have to go to sheffield, so i said do you mean Digby Tantum and she looked very shocked and said YES.

she asked me about mike, and who dx,d him and i said the NHS and also a private specialist and she said which school does he go to and i told her and she looked surprised and said "how did you get him in there? so i said "its called 3 tribunals and a lot of persistence" and she said oh very quietly.

so, we still havent got a dx, but i understand why she is reluctant, she is writing to the new consultant paed (and copying us in at our request) she has asked that there be an independent asessment done of dd (but she doesnt know if they will pay for Digby Tantum to do it) and she is also writing to the nursery to TELL THEM that they MUST address dd,s issues namely trouble with toileting etc etc and treat her according to her SN.

now the independent psych who will asess her is the one who refused to dx mike with an ASD until i discovered that she hadnt carried out the ADOS correctly and i wrote to her a year ago to ask her where was the copy of the video and could we see the notes, she bactracked immediately and dx,d him with PDD, so im hoping she will do a through job on dd and not try to fob us off.

oh nothing goes easily does it?

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dustystaronthechristmastreeMSC · 19/12/2007 15:51

God what a nightmare jenk Still at least she seemed to listen to you.

twocutedarlings · 19/12/2007 16:07

Hi Jenk,

Are you sure that they want you to see the Digby Tantam team, its just that i live in Sheffield and the only place in sheffield that can Dx a cild with ASD is The Rygate Childrens Centre. The Digby Tantam team is for people aged 12 plus.

If this is Ryegate they want to refer you to i can highly recommend the Ryegates team, they have been fantastic!!. They gave my DD a Dx within 4 weeks of her first assessment.

twocutedarlings · 19/12/2007 16:08

Ooop

Dx a cild = Dx a child

jenk1 · 19/12/2007 16:16

yes thats what she mentioned.

i think he also runs a private clinic cos we were going to go there with ds, perhaps thats what she meant about the funding?

ill know more when we meet with the new consultant paed.

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twocutedarlings · 19/12/2007 16:21

It stinks jenk why should you have to pay for an assessment ?? .

aquariusmum · 19/12/2007 16:27

Jenk - it sounds like you really socked it to them,and that you have got a good result, with her telling school to sort themselves out and a referral. Good on you! What is this avoidance syndrome she is talking about, have never heard of it?

jenk1 · 19/12/2007 16:37

im not too sure about it, i know 6 months ago when the private psych went to see dd in nursery he mentioned it but i didnt really pay too much attention

heres some info:

PDA

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aquariusmum · 19/12/2007 17:01

Interesting link Jenk, do you think your DD fits this description or do you we have more of a case of LSA syndrome going on - eg LEA Avoiding Statement by coming up with spurious grounds? After all , autism is a spectrum disorder so they don't have to be severe on all 3 parts of the triad. My step-daughter is now 12, and although autistic has now learned to overcome a lot of her behaviours and give the appearance of not being autistic. Only sometimes do you get a reminder that she is still ASD, when for instance she doesn't get a joke or when she comes back at her sister with a non-sequitur insult. Anyway, it seems to me that you have got some progress out of this meeting, so can have a well-deserved drink tonight!

jenk1 · 19/12/2007 17:08

i dont really think she is PDA though ive only read that link, i think she,s HFA in that she appears to function ok at nursery and fit in with other children and appears to be sociable and show imaginative play but a lot of her play is imitation.

then we get the full blown meltdowns at home if someone has looked at her the wrong way or said the wrong thing,or there is a change in routine.

i hope today that we have shown them we are not to be messed around with and i think that the consultant at the other nhs who already knows we are not to be messed around with after what happened with mike will do a through asessment of dd.

im actually going out for a chinese meal tonight with my friends without the children and i will be letting my hair down!!!!!!!

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aquariusmum · 19/12/2007 17:10

hooray! that is best news I've heard, you enjoy your evening and let's face it, we mums are usually the experts on diagnosing our kids, not these wxxxxxs who waft in and out for 5 minutes with their rubbishy old theories!

twocutedarlings · 19/12/2007 17:40

Theres this from the NAS website.

www.autism.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=528&a=3352
sorry i dont know how to do links

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