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Is mild ASD an excuse for all the bad behaviour?

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cheshirebloke · 08/09/2021 18:15

My stepson (12) is a particularly difficult child. His mum has a hard time with him and has been pushing for an autism diagnosis since he was a toddler, and he was finally diagnosed with it about 2 years ago. Whilst he does tick one or two of the boxes that would indicate autism, in many, many ways he doesn't seem to at all. You could spend a day with him (even an entire weekend or longer) and think he's just a normal child. But his behaviour is just poor all the time - think obnoxious, stroppy teenager (despite his age), with constant back chat. Been like since about 6yo). He's greedy, selfish, inconsiderate and thinks the world revolves around him. I've seen him tell his mother that it's her job to cook and clean for him. Nothing is ever his fault, even when it blatantly is.

He is quite intelligent and very manipulative of his siblings (and to some extent his mother). He can build and maintain friendships, but it's generally all on his terms/and when he's got what he wants from people he tends to discard them. Which doesn't seem to fit in with typical autisic behaviour.

If you ask him to do some basic chore (like putting his dirty plate in the dishwasher) he will just say 'no' and every little thing he turns into an argument. He will argue that black is white one minute, and then five minutes later that white is black.

His life now revolves around his PlayStation and he'll be on it every waking minute unless his mum manages to coax him away from it with some sort of treat. When his screen time expires, he'll badger his mum for more, and always gets it.

He'll walk into the room while someone is watching tv and just change the channel, and then if anyone questions him he'll just turn around and say they weren't watching it.

He near enough rules the roost as he pretty much gets his own way on everything. Sometimes his mum puts up a fight, bust mostly she just gives in and he gets his own way. She says she picks her battles with him because it's so draining to argue constantly with him. It's certainly easier to let him have his own way that the argument and ensuing fallout from standing up to him.

But she explains away all his brattish behaviour as being down to his autism. An outsider could look at it and easily come to the conclusion that he's just a spoilt kid and it's all down to a lack of discipline.

As he approaches teenage years he's getting ever more difficult. He's the eldest child and always very rough with his younger siblings, but now he's having a growth spurt the size and strength difference has really widened and he could easily do a younger child a serious injury. His younger brother is always covered in bruises, most of which are from their altercations. Yesterday he kicked him in the face simply because younger sibling was blocking his view of the tv. His mum was present in the room but she barely told him off. She has health issues and parenting him and his siblings is exhausting her. The younger siblings have learnt from older brother's behaviour and they're becoming equally as difficult and argumentative.

I know I'm much stricter with my kids, wouldn't let something half the incidents go without a proper talking to and sanctions. And I try to back my partner up when she does discipline her kids. But it's difficult because we live apart so I'm not there that much (mostly just weekends and when we all go on holiday together), not a live in step dad and a fully blended family. I don't want to become the 'wicked step parent', although I think I probably already have (just to him, I get on well with the younger siblings). Step son has now made it very clear to everyone that he doesn't like me being there, and is doing his level best to drive a wedge between me and his mum. I'm wary of treading tread on any toes, but as above, he's very manipulative.

He's decided he doesn't like going to his real dad's house anymore because his dad tells him off - i.e. he gets some discipline there, and not his own way all the time. So sometimes he just says he doesn't want to go, and of course he gets his own way there too.

Our kids are similar ages and all used to be good friends (even before we got together as a couple), but stepson has got so selfish and nasty that my kids don't want to spend time with him any more.

I've observed a few other autistic kids, at the school gates, chatting to their parents socially etc, but none anywhere near as closely as this lad. I know there's no 'normal' but with most of them there are obvious autism traits/markers, even as high functioning austism. But with step son it could all be explained as learnt poor behaviour rather than genetic hard wiring.

How much of this sounds familiar to other parent's of ASD children? I bite my tongue a lot when stepson is getting away with things, in line with his mum. Think this is the best/only thing to do in these circumstances?

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livpotter · 08/09/2021 19:44

Your post reads like you don't believe he is autistic. It is worth remembering that 'mild' autism is a term usually used to mean that the behaviour of the person is mild to us, NOT to them.

To me it sounds like he is struggling and the only way he can feel safe is to exert his control over the situation and others. From your post it also sounds like potentially there are some PDA behaviours in there (worth reading up about).

A lot of his behaviour and his mother's behaviour sound very familiar to me. Parenting a child with ASD is a delicate balance between letting the child know what is acceptable to you as a family while also not making things a hundred times worse. I think his mother understands that, which is why her parenting seems soft.

There are things that could potentially help to support him. For me removing blame from the situation would be a start, then trying to work out the root of his anxiety. All behaviour is communication.

There are resources like social stories to help children with ASD understand their behaviour and how to behave in social situations but really unless you know the reason why he is behaving the way he is you can't really target the correct way to help support him.

overworkedrobot · 08/09/2021 19:46

There's no such thing as 'mild autism'. You sound dismissive of DSS's autism diagnosis, but in order to be diagnosed he must have met the diagnostic threshold, and his autism must limit and impair everyday functioning across the triad of impairments.

Much of what you have posted can be explained by autism. Perhaps you should do more reading around autism, particularly demand avoidance. I imagine DSS's dislike of you is because he has picked up your lack of understanding and hostility towards you.

overworkedrobot · 08/09/2021 19:47

X post - livpotter summed it up more eloquently than I have.

overworkedrobot · 08/09/2021 19:49

Apologies for the multiple posts, my first post should read "...hostility towards him".

Angel2702 · 08/09/2021 19:57

I think you need to educate yourself about Autism you sound like you made up your mind that he doesn’t have it and are looking for evidence that it is bad behaviour.

There is no such thing as mild Autism and you can study as many other Autistic children as you like they are all different.

The need to be in control can be a very big part of autism and linked to high levels of anxiety.

Obviously being violent towards siblings is not acceptable and needs to be addressed but you both need to be on the same page and find a solution. It won’t work though if you are approaching it from the point of view he is not autistic and just needs stricter discipline.

Shakirasma · 08/09/2021 19:58

You have described what you believe to be bratty behaviour, but to me you have described quite typical autistic behaviours.

My advice would be to educate yourself about autism as you are clearly quite ignorant about it and very judgmental. Then you may actually be able to be a supportive partner the the child's mum, and build a meaningful bond with your stepson.

Ellie56 · 08/09/2021 20:16

I agree there is no such thing as "mild" autism.

What is your stepson like at school? Does he have an EHC Plan?

DrHildegardeLanstrom · 09/09/2021 03:02

You haven't got a clue

xxlostxx · 09/09/2021 19:36

OPs post made for very unpleasant reading. I know my autistic dd is very often viewed as bratty, spoilt and being allowed to rule the roost.
I nodded through all your lists of behaviours that your dss does as they are very familiar to me. They are autistic behaviours.

One of the hardest parts of parenting an autistic child is the narrow minded judgements of parents with NT children who haven't got a bloody clue and think they could do a better job. You need to educate yourself and stop looking and comparing your dss to other autistic children you might see a snap shot of.

Iworkedhardforwhatihave · 09/09/2021 19:38

You sound awful. You clearly don’t believe he has autism.

PawsNotClaws · 09/09/2021 19:41

He's greedy, selfish, inconsiderate and thinks the world revolves around him.

It's also pretty selfish and inconsiderate to come on to a forum to ask parents of children with ASD whether they think that ASD is just an excuse for bad behaviour.

Branleuse · 09/09/2021 19:43

The professionals and his parents are probably just making it all up for attention OP and to excuse their terrible parenting, despite the other kids being fine. A bit of discipline is what cures autism!

NailsNeedDoing · 09/09/2021 19:47

I have a ds with ASD and sometimes he doesn’t come across well to other people so I’m sensitive to judgement about ASD like many parents, but the child you describe sounds like their are dealing with mild ASD along with crap parenting.

I don’t think it’s right to think that ASD is just an excuse for bad behaviour because more often than not it’s a valid reason not an excuse, but I have known it be an excuse for parents not to address rude or bad behaviour.

buffysbuffet · 09/09/2021 20:05

A lot of what you wrote describes my Ds in part who has a autism and adhd diagnosis.

Autism has a huge spectrum. Spending a weekend with my son you would probably think he's just full of energy. But he can't cross a road safely, has no fear of any danger and doesn't follow the social rules most neurological children follow.

Behaviour such as your dss changing the tv channel without asking could be because he doesn't understand that it may be deemed inconsiderate. He wants to watch something else and he doesn't see why he can't just change the channel

Screens (PlayStation) can stimulate some dc who are autistic. They get a lot of sensory output from them and so they can show addictive behaviour towards them

Any sort of transition can be difficult. Going from one place to another. Even one room to another can be difficult. Putting shoes on and getting my Ds in the car is difficult at times because, quite frankly, he doesn't think he needs to.

My Ds can also be quite manipulative, particularly with me. And as a mum I choose my battles, because otherwise I would have a very difficult time with him a lot of the time. I try and treat all my dc fairly but ultimately my autistic child's needs differ to my nt child's needs, so they are treated differently at times

The dirty dishes scenario you mentioned - I have also had that comment from my Ds. My Ds will do chores but if the mood takes him he simply won't do it

Of course some of it will be learnt behaviours. But your dss will face challenges, negative stigma and ignorance from people that your nt dc will never face. Be a bit more sympathetic to him op

Jagna · 14/09/2021 11:08

Hi all, I'm new to Mumsnet, not new to ASD, ADHD, Dyslexia and more...mum of 3 with my DS going through EHC assessment and ASD/ADHD diagnosis at the moment and eldest DS in Special school (on EHCP).

It was not easy to read the first entry in this thread. I do believe the person who wrote it genuinely wants to talk about their situation. In some way, it might be similar to situations in families where parents have little or no knowledge of neurodiversity...more importantly, clearly struggling to accept and work with a difference, looking for other answers or solutions...Parenting autistic kids is hardly a walk in the park; frankly, all the 'old school discipline tricks' are pretty redundant as the only possible thing you accomplish is aggravate the situation to the point it might become unsafe for your child; or others around...

Please have a look at this comic strip (the bottom part gives you some insight): the-art-of-autism.com/understanding-the-spectrum-a-comic-strip-explanation/.

...and dear cheshirebloke, show some love to your wife, trust her judgement on parenting YOUR autistic kid and stand by her (and her decisions) to form a united front, however hard or completely against your understanding of the situation it seems. Educate your children and yourself, the more you know, the more acceptable it becomes..., learn to forgive those things that drive you mad and cherish the moments that are truly amazing about your boy (even though you say he is not yours...which might be part of the problem if you live together). I wish you all the very best in your journey; we all had to start from somewhere...it is not uncommon to see anger and disappointment, but there is so much more to it, I promise!

Best of luck!

Ilovechristmas1992 · 10/12/2023 23:40

Hi, has anybody had experience of being around people who are pushing for autism diagnosis of a child, but it could just be their parenting? SIL has a little boy just turned 2, and a newborn. She doesn’t come across as particularly maternal, and seems to want more children just to avoid working. The oldest boy has been hitting and biting other children since he was walking about 1yo. It’s gotten worse and it’s almost every week that he’s biting someone at nursery. He’s only there one day a week! Other times he’s usually at home so he doesn’t see many other children. She won’t take him
anywhere as she’s worried about his behaviour, but he’s never been taken anywhere even when he was tiny. Occasionally we’ll have a special event whereby his cousins are there but he just terrorises them all, it’s like he’s so excited to be around kids that he just bites and hits. I don’t have an issue with him as a child obviously but when this happens he just gets shouted at, no gentle parenting or talking to like a human being. They (His mum and dad) also tend to not really socialise with the rest of us while we’re together so he’s clearly desperate for their attention too when playing, made worse by the fact the new baby is a chilled little thing who’s obviously new and needs mummy a bit more. Now they’re apparently speaking to health visitors and want a diagnosis as they don’t seem to think it can be anything but that. It breaks my heart to watch him just be labelled naughty all the time, and for him to continually ask them to come outside and be with him and they just refuse. It’s got to the point where his cousins don’t want to be around him as they’re scared of him biting them. PIL also think he’s ’got to be autistic’ but I just think some more attention might actually benefit him first! I fear a diagnosis- if he actually is- will give them free reign to just dismiss him to everyone eg ‘he’s autistic’ as an excuse as to why he’s hit or bit another child and that they won’t think to change anything they’re doing. He’s a cute little kid, I don’t want to see him just written off before he’s even 3. Its really hard not to judge but all I want them to do is give him a cuddle and kiss now and again rather than just shouting or rolling eyes about him😔

Ilovechristmas1992 · 11/12/2023 00:12

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