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Anxious after nursery again - don’t know what to do

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SinkGirl · 13/05/2019 15:22

Anyone who saw my post in AIBU from Friday (which I never should have started!) will know that I had an incident with DT1’s room leader last week.

To be very brief, I have twin boys (32 months now). DT1 has ASD, DT2 has ASD and various other medical issues that mean he is in the baby room at nursery while DT1 is in the toddler room.

I struggle with DT1’s room leader / key worker as I find her tone very hard to read at the best of times - she often sounds annoyed when I don’t think she actually is. I often think she’s scolding me or telling me off about my son’s behaviour when I think she’s just telling me what’s happened (DH feels the same so it’s not just me).

Anyway, today I had to take DT2 for a hospital appointment so DH picked up DT1 on his own, which is a big relief as I would not have coped well with what happened when he got there, especially after our run in on Thursday.

When I got back from hospital DH told me that she had pulled him aside and told him that DT1 has been taking food from other children at lunch time so we need to give him more food. DH explained to her that he does this at home too, and it’s not about him being hungry - it’s that he doesn’t understand that other people’s food isn’t his, and he wants it so he takes it.

He is not hungry - he has milk in the morning, breakfast when he gets there at 8, a good size snack mid morning, and then lunch is either a sandwich, pita bread, today it was gnocchi, plus fruit and usually some rice cakes, mini breadsticks etc. He then has snacks in the afternoon and a good size dinner.

At home we do not allow them to take each other’s food - we tell them no, take the food off them and give it back, and sit them back down. But this often causes tantrums because he doesn’t understand. Even if he still has, say, banana on his plate, he will still try to take the other one’s banana.

DH said that he got the distinct impression she was implying that we need to stop DT1 from taking other children’s food. DH was clear that we do our best to do this at home, but he’s autistic (duh) with very limited receptive language skills so there’s only so much we can do about it and we definitely can’t stop him doing it when we are not there. But we don’t know whether she actually meant it this way or not, given the difficulty in reading her tone.

I really like the nursery and the boys absolutely love it there (recently we sent DT2 and kept DT1 home and he cried his eyes out when he realised he wasn’t going). I don’t want to cause a fuss or be difficult or make complaints. I want them to tell us if there are problems, but I honestly dread talking to her about the day in case something negative has happened. For example, recently she told me that his nappy and trousers fell down and there was poo all down his legs / trousers - the tone she said it in made me apologise to her about it, I felt like she was telling me off about it. I would think it was just me being overly sensitive (which I know I can be), but I know it’s not just me because I don’t have this issue with DT2’s key worker, and because DH feels it too and he has the hide of a rhino!

We are starting to look at specialist provisions but I haven’t had a chance to organise visits yet. I think there’s a good chance they’ll end up in a specialist setting next year, but I want to keep things pleasant in the mean time.

How do I deal with this? If they do ask us to stop him from taking food, how do I respond? Just feeling overwhelmed (also had a nightmare getting home from the hospital today, I just hate the fact that even simple things are so difficult!)

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SinkGirl · 13/05/2019 15:23

I forgot to add (very importantly) I don’t want him to be allowed to take food from other kids - it’s their food and I don’t tolerate them taking from each other, let alone from other children. So I’m definitely not saying they should let it go!

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hazeyjane · 13/05/2019 18:53

Do they have any additional support there?

I work in a preschool as a 1-1, and there are also several children who don't have 1-1 support but definitely need extra help with things like this. I would not expect the parents to do anything about an issue like taking food...although I suppose I might suggest we try making sure they have some extra just in case it is because they are still hungry (but I would discuss this with you first). I would supervise their lunch more closely, and try strategies to keep them focussed on their own food.

It can sometimes be tricky, as I want to inform parents of stuff that has happened, but worry that it will come across as judgemental.

Unfortunately, also having a ds with additional needs, in our case at least, that feeling like you are butting heads, getting it wrong or being judged seems to continue throughout schooling. I really try to remember this feeling when I am talking to parents!

SinkGirl · 14/05/2019 05:35

Oh bless you - can we come to your nursery?!

They don’t have 1-1s yet, I know the area SENCOs have been in to assess them both recently so I think it’s in the pipeline.

It’s not so much being told that hes done something wrong (aside from everything else, the twins are 2 year olds, no 2 years olds are beautifully behaved all the time - when I drop them off and pick them up I see other children having tantrums as NT kids of that age do, which is all totally normal). It’s just her tone I really struggle with because I do feel like I’m being told off about things I can’t change and that I’m not even there for. Normally I would chalk this up to my own anxiety / defensiveness but knowing that DH feels the same makes me quite sure it’s not just me!

She’s clearly good at her job, DT1 loves her and feels very comfortable with her, but I’m just finding it a bit tricky.

I totally understand the fear that he’s hungry but I’m 99% sure he’s not - he’s just greedy and doesn’t understand personal possessions yet (we are really working on this as the twins constant battling over food, cups, toys etc is exhausting!)

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RaaRaaeee · 15/05/2019 08:43

I often feel anxious picking my son up- it’s hard hearing not so positive feedback, even if it’s delivered in a sensitive manner. Just try not to take it personally, it’s probably her manner and she doesn’t realise how she is coming across.
Of course you can’t do anything to influence his behaviour while he is there!
Also, just wanted to say I’m glad you started conversing on the SN boards- I saw that post from the other day and the people responding were horrible!! Xx

Marshmallow09er · 15/05/2019 14:14

So frustrating when people present you with problems but no suggestions for solutions.
We've had a number of those types over the years. Try and just let her remarks ping off your invisible armour.

I'd suggest:

Arranging an actual meeting rather than rushed comments infront of the children at handover time

Does the nursery have a SENCO? If so I would have her/him there as well, if not then the key worker's line / room manager

Explain how you deal with the issue at home

Propose how they deal with it at nursery (eg DS1 needs additional support at meal times to ensure he doesn't take food from other children).

Ask them to try and identify patterns - is it a particular time of day / food / child? The more info you have the more you can try and work to find a solution.

Could he eat a bit earlier than the other children and then play outside while the other children eat?
There's often a creative solution if a setting is willing to be a bit flexible.

See what they say. If they are not prepared to support him then I would question whether it is the right setting for him.

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