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Ellie1005 · 31/07/2018 21:15

Just wondering how I can better manage this? DS (11), recently diagnosed high-functioning ASD, has always relentlessly pursued screen time - if it were up to him he'd be on his iPad 24/7.
From what I understand so far is that it can be helpful for autistic kids as a way to reset/destress etc. So I've always tried to strike a balance between what I think is helpful for him, but also trying to ensure that it is limited to an amount of time each day that doesn't stop him doing other activities (for example, if I just left him to it he'd spend all day on his games, missing opportunities for family time, physical exercise, social moments etc).
He constantly pushes boundaries to get more screen time, sneak on even when he knows he's reached his limit etc. Time-control apps/parental controls enrage him...it's a constant challenge for me to try and manage this so he feels in control but also helping him manage himself and not go against what we've agreed.
The big thing that is worrying in me, in trying to get this right, is that screen time doesn't seem to be good for him - he gets angry, plays obsessively on just one game at a time, will explode after playing when time is up (despite time warnings etc to help him come off). So if it doesn't seem to be helping him, as it might help some kids reset/relax, should I be limiting it even more, or stopping it completely (I can't actually imagine how that would go, as he seems so dependent on it and addicted to it...
Any tips from more experienced parents of ASD children very welcome - it dominates our life at the moment and I hate the constant struggle, particularly when I can't see it does him any good at all.
Thank you!

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HardAsSnails · 31/07/2018 22:53

I would look at ways to make screentime a less solitary pastime at least some of the time. Eg I've had the same apps as ds for games and we've played separately but discussed progress and tips (Little Alchemy is particularly brilliant for this) and we use the PS3/4 together. We sit watch DVDs together.

Look at non screen activities that are linked to his screen interests.

Support him learning to code or make videos or whatever he's interested in.

Ellie1005 · 31/07/2018 23:15

Thank you! Yes, I'll try and do that.
I guess what seems to make it really hard is, for him, it's one game at a time played endlessly. I've tried to get him involved in animation/coding or even make a movie together to edit etc, but he just doesn't want to get involved. Executive functioning issues have been identified, he gets easily frustrated if he tries to do something that involves time and patience, and I guess he doesn't feel threatened by that with his fast and furious games!
Thanks for the Little Alchemy tip, I'll have a look now.

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Ellie1005 · 01/08/2018 15:38

Little Alchemy is great!

Does anyone have any tips to help with his seemingly constant need to be on screens, and that fact that despite him seeking it out so desperately, it doesn't seem to calm him down and has a negative overall effect on his moods?

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HardAsSnails · 01/08/2018 15:43

It can be tricky, I do think finding ways to help him learn to self regulate are best in the long term, even if they don't bring quick results. Have you read The Explosive Child?

tartanterror · 02/08/2018 08:22

Home Halo router control has been recommended to me. I’ve not set it up yet tho. It’s working well for my friend with ASD DC. It can control access to different devices/tv as well as allowing homework website access only. Unfortunately it doesn’t allow for self regulation but then as we just don’t have that anyway I’m going to give this a go and see if it gives us all a break by being under the control of a device (rather than a parent!)

If you have a choice DO NOT get a PlayStation or other console. My friends with older ASD kids are tearing their hair out.

HardAsSnails · 02/08/2018 10:15

The difficulty with saying no consoles is that you then shut down a load of potential social avenues for a child who's into gaming. It's not just about online gaming (which you don't have to enable - we don't) it's also about kids talking about and sharing an interest in gaming. It is so much easier to game together or share the experience with a console compared to a tablet.

Ellie1005 · 02/08/2018 13:11

Thanks for your replies. Agree self-regulation is the ideal, but feels we're so far away from helping him be able to do that.
I have read The Explosive Child, I love the theory behind the strategies but tbh we haven't successfully been able to use them in a way that makes a difference. Did read it a few years ago now so should probably revisit!
We've tried time-control devices, recognizing that he can't self-regulate at mo, but he hates this so much to the point where he will obsess angrily about the app that is controlling him and it's exhausting for all! He wants to be in total control, and any attempts to talk him through why such apps are helpful seem ineffective...part of my reason for wondering about an all-out ban on screens was because I can't seem to find any middle ground given he resists any sort of compromise and it seems our daily life is taken up with this struggle! (As I mentioned in my first post, I'd be happy for him to spend way more time on screens if I could see it was helping him...but it just brings out more negative moods etc!)
Consoles haven't been an issue so far, although he does link up with a friend on his tablet for gaming, but I haven't noticed anything particularly negative about that (other than wanting to be doing it constantly but that's nothing new!)

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MrsMartinRohde · 02/08/2018 16:42

my sympathies. my almost 9 yr old DS, diagnosed ASD 18 months ago, is similar, and we've had times of considering an outright screen ban, but like you pulled back from that because when it's going well, it really does calm him. unfortunately, it's during games with other people, online, that he can't cope with, if someone kills him/steals his stuff, etc. when he was assessed he was in a You Tube obsessed phase (making his own videos) and it was all he talked about during the appointment, he brought everything back to that (his one question to the psychologist was "will you subscribe to my channel?") so it was at least totally apparent that this was/is his area of special interest, and as such it was suggested we let him pursue this... but it's a fine line to tread when it also makes him very distressed sometimes, can contribute to terrible behaviour to the rest of us, especially his younger brother, and can interfere with family life, normal routines, non-screen activities that I deem also essential to his and our wellbeing...

I don't have the answers but what's working for us is an unwavering timetable. no devices go on before 7am (or they'll both be up in the night). DS's PC doesn't go on till 9am (so on school days he doesn't get it till after school). between 5pm and 6pm, everything is off. they can watch a film if they wish, on the family TV, all together, but more usually we've been playing board games. this is a new development and it took a week or so for them to adjust (younger DS is not autistic, he just wants his own way) but now DS1's devices go off and he happily comes through to have dinner and play. in term time this is when homework is looked at. we use Kidslox on the ipads and a Microsoft controller thing on the PCs and xbox. then after, he can have 1 hour only doing the thing that caused me to to instigate this rule in the first place - Fortnite. I loathe it, and we've had flat-out bans at times, but at the moment he's dealing with it. it's fully supervised, extremely limited, I do not bend to pressure for more (this more than anything is DS's crack). and it's going ok... my partner supervises and DS enjoys that, he talks through what he's doing, wants to share (and he gets knowledgable feedback rather than "a that's nice dear" that I would give). bedtime is a strict 7.30pm on school nights, 8.30 the rest of the time.

my DS is also very far from self-regulation. but after a particularly awful meltdown one time, when we talked later, he did concede that some things he just couldn't handle.

also, I find this terribly hard, but I don't argue with him (or I try not to). at times he hates the rules, and doing pretty much anything else that has to be done, like go to school, get dressed. he's persistent and it drives me up the wall but I have to just. not. get. into. another. discussion. have you asked this already? yes. did I answer? yes. well there you go. the end.

the struggle is real. technology is definitely a double edged sword. but it's enabling him to have friends at school, because Roblox, Minecraft and Fortnite is what they're all into. do I wish he was bookish and sporty? sure. oh well. one day he'll learn to code and then... Grin

Ellie1005 · 02/08/2018 19:36

That all sounds very familiar...It's helps to read how you view it and manage it. Good point about not entering into discussion - DS always pushes for more, so I need to remember to not answer what I've already answered !

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HardAsSnails · 02/08/2018 21:28

Just to add, my ds is 15 now and we had the awful screen stuff when he was your kids ages and he can now self-regulate and prioritise things like homework when he needs to. But as well as stuff I mention above, the key thing is talking about it, and how it affects him and enabling him to work out possible solutions (that's why I suggested the explosive child book as it gives a formula for enabling the child to come up with ideas and to test them). So, the problem is gaming sometimes makes ds angry, it's crap feeling angry, what might helps ds feel less angry? It's important you let him come up with ideas and they you try them out and agree when to review. It's about getting him to recognise a problem and generate possible solutions. It's a really important skill and getting it wrong is as important as getting it right. So if his solution is more gaming then agree eg a week and agree a way to monitor (eg each keep a mood or whatever chart) and then review it together. If it doesn't work and life doesn't get more pleasant you sit down and get him to come up with something else. And you keep going. You don't want to still be setting controls when he's 16, 18, 21...

Ellie1005 · 03/08/2018 22:37

Good to be reminded that things do change over time as they grow older! Will keep working on the self-regulation...am so aware that I can't (and don't want to be) right behind him the whole time so he gets the balance.

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Ellie1005 · 10/08/2018 17:32

So after all I've had to really restrict screen time - because it got to the point where it has been so much stress for the whole family. Tried to help him self-regulate with a media time agreement that we talked through carefully, but he's been absolutely unable to stick to any of it. Mad with rage when any parental control app is used/mentioned, demands control over his own device and every time promised to respect the agreement, but just can't. He can't stay away from his device, or come off screen time at the agreed time despite warnings 10mins before.
So his tablet is now out of reach until the afternoons this holiday, where he can play for a couple of hours.
I've explained to him that I would love to give him more control over his screen time and device, as his craves being in control, but that because he finds it so difficult and it causes him, and us, a great deal of stress, this new rule is to try and help him feel calmer throughout the day. He did seem to acknowledge this when we talked, but I'm steeling myself for later on when he will be craving screen time...
Hoping for positive improvements and less outbursts... (fingers crossed)....

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