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How to handle meltdowns

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Cartooner · 05/06/2017 22:40

HF ASD and ADHD. Can anyone tell me what I am supposed to do with my 8 year old attacking me on an almost nightly basis? We've been to a psychiatrist four times in three months, occupational therapist etc. I still am at a loss, there are no triggers I can eliminate from my child's life short of keeping him in a blank room all day, everything he does is standard same as the day before when he didn't have a massive meltdown. We are years dealing with this. I am absolutely desperate. He was fine all day today, he takes ritalin and were on our third month of it and it really works during the day. But as an already demanding and controlling child, when bedtime draws close (not early, we're taking 9.30 start of proceedings..) he starts flinging things, calling me fat, spat at me, thumped me, tried to head butt DH earlier. He launched at me earlier and I raised my hand to push him away and hit his jaw. So he spends then next ten minutes roaring that I hit him. When I was trying to stop him hitting me for about the 10th time in a row. This goes on... and on... and on... it is soul destroying that my little boy literally changes personality in the evenings and I can't stand it anymore. Any thoughts? I have all the books.

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Cartooner · 05/06/2017 22:43

He's just turned 9

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Cartooner · 05/06/2017 22:47

I'm sorry I started a post about this here already two weeks ago but I am just searching and searching mumsnet for people dealing with this and not finding any success stories? I feel like it's one of the worst sort of situations I could be in with my own child to be attacked by him, to feel like our relationship just reduces to him hating me so often when I've tried so hard to fix this.

Is this autism? Do I just deal with it and hope he grows out of being violent?

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Polter · 06/06/2017 07:19

The Explosive Child book is very very good.

Allthewaves · 06/06/2017 12:43

Has this started since the meds?

TieGrr · 06/06/2017 16:47

I wish I could help. DD is 6 and am dealing with the same problem at the moment. God only knows what the neighbours think as she screams 'don't hit me!' or 'stop kicking me' at the top of her lungs, when she's actually just mimicking what I usually say in the situations.

I always get her to apologise for hitting me when she eventually calms down and if she's still upset, offering to lie in bed with her seems to help. But I've yet to find a way of stopping her before she starts attacking me.

tostaky · 06/06/2017 21:09

My Ds is 8 and although his behaviour seems less extreme than your DS we have almost eradicated any violent outburst by being very empathic with him as recommended by our therapist. We try to see his side of things, empathise with him and stay calm ourselves. It has worked well.
"Smoother his anger with love" is our strategy!
Good luck xx

BiddyPop · 09/06/2017 11:32

I've been known to throw DD into the bath/shower when this happens as water tends to help her. I have read on the SN boards of 1 DM who has put her DS into the bath fully clothed more than once! (If it works, it works!). The aim being to deal with the short term crisis and then move onto the next stage needed in a calmer mode.

DD also takes melatonin at night to help her relax and get sleepy - she started it when on concerta (long acting Ritalin) but still needs it many nights even though she stopped the concerta 8 months ago.

We used to have a small trampoline, and bouncing on that sometimes helped. She always "thumps" down the stairs - she seems to not even notice that she does it despite all the giving out we do about it, but I know its about seeking sensory input.

We often have things slowly winding down for up to an hour before bedtime - watching a tv programme together and DH or I rubbing her back (almost massage - the light touch seems to help). Often we end up sitting with her once she's in bed and reading, even still, as while she will listen to an audiobook, she also wants company and our voices many nights. But can't fall asleep in silence and music seems to stimulate her rather than help her wind down.

Routine helps - so repetition of "wees, teeth, pyjamas" as the mantra, and keeping to the same routine (in general) for bedtime.

Would he respond to a visual timetable, even just for the bedtime routine?

And absolutely to the keeping calm. It is unbelievably hard to do, and consistently, but it really does help to be calm, non-responsive when she flares up. Sometimes that means giving her space to react and let it out, sometimes that means responding by getting her into the water, or handing her a cup of hot chocolate or something to distract her, or giving a big pressure hug - we don't always get it right (not by a long shot!) but we are getting better at seeing what might work better some nights and not on others. Or spotting the more "stress" days before bedtime, and knowing that we will need to do the relaxing routine before bed tonight, whereas others are fine and she can play outside with her friends or we can do heavy jobs together up until bedtime.

BiddyPop · 09/06/2017 11:51

DD still has a load of ducks and other squirty bath toys and a set of stacking cups, more suited to young children - aged 11. Santa actually brought new ducks Christmas 18 months ago, as the originals were gone seriously icky. But she then splashes around and relaxes a lot in the bath - so I think its useful to keep them even if some visitors raise eyebrows and wonder where the toddler is (we only have the 11yo Grin ).

whatatod0 · 15/06/2017 15:51

We had/Have this. It. Is. Exhausting. Both emotionally and physically.

But OP - we are in a better place now with our dd. She is now 12.

I found The Explosive Child book the only one that helped me.

I just spoke to dd when she was in a good mood, and showed her the book, and explained what it suggested to do. Lots of talking when the mood was right. I explained to her how her violence affected me, and that I still loved her no matter what she did. We practiced the methods and gradually learnt when to start the process, and when it was too late.
Things got better over time.

She now has fewer meltdowns, and when she does they are less violent now. Not violence free, but better.
Lots of empathy when you suspect things may be starting off.

We had bedtime battles, which was cured by creating Mummy and DD time every night - without fail. We spent 15mins building a lego thing, or drawing characters etc etc, then 15mins of me reading to her. We still do this 3 years down the line. It made a huge difference to our bedtime routine. We call it Special Time. It is undisturbable.

Oh - there was something else we did too, but PM me if you're interested.

BlackeyedSusan · 15/06/2017 17:45

keep calm. (much easier typed than done)
feed, water, allow decompression time after school,
bath and computer time
stop talking to him,
hold and rock,
take to park and tire out
deep pressure
foot massage

there was a conference on it recently. autism and violent children someone sent me a link.

BlackeyedSusan · 15/06/2017 17:48

oh and ds attacks me regularly. worse this half term and christmas half term.

he also wallops dd. I was having to stop the car and restrain him as he was not safe.

he tries to run away and is making horrible comments, which is a move away from the violence but still really unpleasant. he also screams like a stuck pig.

BlackeyedSusan · 15/06/2017 17:50

and recognise behaviour that is the precursor... I have just been reminded of this as ds has just crawled under one of the seats in the library.

Cartooner · 05/07/2017 22:35

I am so sorry that I haven't replied to this. I read the first replies and then logged off as I don't check here that often.

These are great replies and I am going to write out a lot of them.

We have since had a tweak of night time meds that helped. My mother took my DS on a trip for a few days so it is great to get a break.

Thanks again.

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