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How do I talk to a colleague about her DD's development.

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MummyBoo22 · 06/06/2016 15:39

deep breath
I work with a woman who has known my husband since school. We see them socially quite a lot and our kids play together, but I wouldn't call her a close friend.
They have a daughter who is 19 months old, a year younger than my youngest child. It's very clear that their DD is not developing at a normal rate. She can't walk, stand, pull herself up. She has no speech at all. She can't grip small objects or bring a sippy cup to her mouth. Her hands are slightly claw like and she can't clap. She gets extremely frustrated when she tries to communicate. She dribbles a lot. Her body is very stiff. When she falls she doesn't put her hands out to stop herself. She is often vacant and glassy eyed.
My colleague talks about the walking issue a lot but has not been to a GP as she says she "doesn't trust them". Instead she is seeing some kind of Pediatric Chiropractor regarding the walking (and the walking alone)
She has started to become angry and frustrated with her child and it's heartbreaking to see. She seems to genuinely resent her DD.
She is senior to me at work ans quite a lot older and we don't have the kind of relationship where I feel I could have a heart to heart with her, I also do not want to come across as judgemental at all. She is a fantastic Mum but I think she is in a very deep state of denial and possibly depression too.
We saw them socially this weekend and I left in tears as I am genuinely concerned about their daughter and their attitude towards her needs. My husband doesn't feel comfortable bringing it up with the husband either.
What should I do?
I feel awful even writing this and really don't want to sound interfering or judgemental. If I were her I'd want a close friend to talk to me about it, but I'm not that person to her and I don't know her close circle of friends well enough.
Looking forward to your words of wisdom.

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zzzzz · 07/06/2016 19:56

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Shallishanti · 07/06/2016 19:57

I think what;s worrying here is the combination of chiropractor and not trusting GPs
No idea about chiropractors but might they not persist in some complemetary therapy when a conventional diagnosis is needed?

StarlightMcKenzee · 07/06/2016 20:51

About a year after my ds had been diagnosed and a year of hell, I was seeing kids with ASD everywhere and wanted to tell their parents and 'make them' get a diagnosis and get on with early intervention, feeling bound by some kind of duty for them. I felt like I was letting the kids and the families down by not doing.

Then I saw a quote (And I can't remember the person who said it unfortunately) which said that lighthouses don't scramble all over the rocks looking for boats to save, they simply shine as brightly as they can so the boats know that they are there and can use them if they need to. Then I realised that lighthouses bear no responsibility for the choices the boats make.

Hope that helps you too OP.

MummyBoo22 · 07/06/2016 21:40

Thankyou @zzzzz - it's really reassuring that someone else is as confused by this situation as I am - I can't possibly understand why people would gossip about this either and I'm reassured by the fact I'm not the only one. You're right we do all change when we have children and that is why we all have to look out for each other - thankyou - as you say, there's no "fix" - thankyou.

@Shallishanti - yes I would think the same, do you have any experience in this?

@StarlightMcKenzee - thankyou, that is beautiful. Just read it to my DH and we both welled up. This is why I love this forum!

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MummyBoo22 · 07/06/2016 23:15

Thankyou again, you've made me feel so much better.

I shouldn't let the gossip/ bitchiness bother me and should be a bit more "non-plused" too - just find it hard when people are talking behind her back, as you quite rightly say it's so unusual - whether it be about her work or her parenting (I've heard both, refused to become involved in either and am pleased for you that you have never been in that situation - it's awful, trust me)
I really hope you are right in that her change of persona is not earth shattering or noteworthy. Gosh, fingers crossed!

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MummyBoo22 · 08/06/2016 07:36

Yeah @PolterGoose, you're right it's a horrible place to work.

It's good to see the two issues seperated, I guess because she's a colleague and a friend too and our lives are so entwined through our families and OH's it's hard not to see a link between it all, and because my sister was in such a bad way with the PND I might be being too sensitive.

Had a think overnight and I'm going to just continue to do as I am - offer support but not get too involved.

Thankyou all again for your wisdom and understanding

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blaeberry · 08/06/2016 07:45

Mummy just ignore the gossip, people fill time talking about rubbish. You say this mum's DH has spoken to you already - I think you just need to be there and available should either of them wish to speak to you again. Maybe she does have depression and does need support but the best person to support her with that is her DH. Unless she approaches you, I think need to just offer general support (suggest meet for coffee or babysit for a couple of hours).

As far as her dd development. I am concerned about a reliance on an alternative practitioner and mistrust in GPs. Again her DH is probably the best person to deal with this. Maybe they are aware of their dd difficulties and that is why she is so stressed. It can take a while to come to terms with this and she may be further along the road than you give her credit for but she just doesn't want to discuss it with aquaintances. At this stage development can be very variable so paediatricians often advocate a period of watchful waiting.

MummyBoo22 · 08/06/2016 14:24

Thankyou @blaeberry - that is exactly the plan I'm going to follow after talking it thro with everyone on here X

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AgnesDiPesto · 08/06/2016 14:34

If her DH spoke to you then I would raise it with him on his own. It is difficult to know whether to do something or not do something. What I would say is when I realised my DS had autism it was scary and devastating. its like a bereavement (my child actually went backwards and lost lots of skills and it was like my baby died and I got another much more shut off child who stopped speaking / looked through me / stopped calling me mum).

There is a grief reaction - with perhaps the same stages - shock, anger, why me, denial. Can take a long time to get to acceptance and then it comes and goes - days when its still hard to see other children doing things mine can't.

When I started to raise concerns I found it really unhelpful that people brushed them aside - the 'we all have days like that' - 'or my child does that too'. No you don't you don't have a day when your child isn't learning or developing properly. People often feel they should minimise the problem (because they feel uncomfortable and don't know what to say) but that can leave the parent feeling really isolated and stop you talking to that person again.

I wasn't depressed - although counselling might be helpful I cannot imagine how I could have fitted it in. DS needs were relentless. He had no awareness of danger and I couldn't leave him. His sleep was awful. I was worried sick, isolated, grieving and sleep deprived. Those probably all made me seem like a less effective colleague / less happy person / moody cow. I didn't take it out on DS but I'm sure DH and I had days when we supported each other and days when we snapped at each other because we had no-one else to turn to who 'got' it & we were totally knackered.

Chances are she cannot leave her DD because her needs are so much higher / different. I rarely leave DS with a sitter - he hates it - those we do have are specially trained. Dh and I go out maybe once or twice a year. I never leave him overnight.

I know you mean well but it must feel like a chasm is opening up between her life and yours (the life she expected)
The best thing a friend did for me was listen. Not minimise, not try and get me to do normal things or go out, not give advice, not judge or analyse whether I was depressed or negative. Just when I said I am worried about DS she simply said why are you worried - and let me talk while she listened. (she's now a trained counsellor) Wink.

The DH could see the GP on his own and would get a referral to developmental paed. Or can self refer to portage (play therapy), speech therapy, hearing test or ask HV to refer. Poss to physio too. The child will be under Child Developmental Centre at local hospital not under GP. I haven't seen DS GP for years. I would speak to the DH again. Play therapy or physio doesn't sound as scary as medical stuff. Maybe just say you are worried too and wouldn't be better to see if could benefit from play or speech therapy / physio / get hearing checked etc. Many areas have drop ins for speech therapy or portage and the DH could just turn up. He might not want to upset his wife but he also is clearly wanting do best thing for his DD.

I just about held it together at work but would have fallen apart talking about my DS to someone at work. I used to hold it together in front of my other kids, drop them off at the school gate and literally sob all the way home. When my FIL was dying of cancer my MIL would sit in the car and scream and then go back in the house and look after him as normal.

Everyone is different and you might just have to put up with the fact she is struggling / grieving at moment (and defend her when colleagues bitch about her). She needs a sympathetic ear and to find her own path / solution and feel supported. I dealt with it by getting stuck into finding the right help and found once I had learnt some strategies and could see progress again things got better. i got hope back. Not that things will ever be easy - but that DS would improve and we would manage.

A few years later my DS2 was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes and has to take insulin for the rest of his life. i didn't even cry. It was a quick diagnosis and he got the right help immediately. Totally different than autism where it took 5 years and 2 appeals to get the right help. Yes it sucks but there is a plan and its manageable, he didn't die. He can have a good future. Other families would have struggled with news like that but to DH and me anything not cataclysmic doesn't even touch the sides anymore.

Try not to think of her as mean / negative / depressed. Think about how you would feel if you lost someone close to you and were grieving. Would you want people gossiping about how you'd had a personality change?

I'm not trying to give you a hard time. If it helps I look back at times before I became a parent of a disabled child and cringe at some of the useless / crass things I have said to people because the truth is you just can't imagine what she feels or what she is going through until it happens to you

MummyBoo22 · 08/06/2016 16:00

@AgnesDiPesto - thankyou so much, what a beautifully written and honest post with so much great advice.

I lost my Mum as a teenager and raised my 3 younger siblings myself before having my own 4 children so although I don't have a child with SN all your points about grief, isolation, putting on a brave face and just getting on with it really deeply resonate with me.

I have never once been part of any gossip about this lady, either at work or socially. I am always the one defending her or simply walking away. I only posted here to try and gain some insight into what she might be going through from parents who have been there - and to gain advice on what (if anything) I can do to help - and all the advice & questions have been so brilliant.

I won't ever minimise her concerns again if she raises them - TBH when I did it was very early days. And if DH speaks to me again I will make those suggestions to to him.

Thankyou again X

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Imaginosity · 08/06/2016 19:47

I don't think it's your place to be becoming so involved in this although I'm sure you mean well. It's not appropriate based on what you've described.

If there is an issue with their child they'll discover it soon enough. Her DH seems to be aware of issues anyway.

coffeemachine · 08/06/2016 20:14

^ this. I think you mean well. As PP said, if there are issues, they will be picked up at some point. I would really butt out.o of it.

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