DS1 has been up since 1am

[Jimjams2]

God knows why.

Can I just scream

Aaaaagghhhhhh that's better. He'd better bloody sleep tonight.

DS4 is almost sleeping through but I don't which is worse; when he wakes at about 3 has a whinge and a drink and eventually goes back to sleep or when he wake at 4.45am and screams until I relent and get up. Sometimes he does sleep all night but it's the unprecictability of it that does my head in!! If he does sleep through then one of the others will almost certainly wake up instead.

DH asked me what I wanted for Christmas and I said a sound proof room to sleep in one night a week!!

DIngdong, that sounds my my son and his patterns of sleep. On the nights he sleeps I dont because Im so worried as to why he hasnt woken.....no win situation

Sympathy jimjams. I'm the mother from hell when I've had no sleep.

Dd doesn't sleep - she was up last night in tears because of it. She usually copes with it by herself (she's 13 and NT) but last night she was just sooo fed up.

Oh how I need my sleep too so can feel for you Jimjams, that must have been one very llloonnnngggg night. My ds was still racing around the lounge at two this morning, I just don't know where he gets his energy, but luckily for me this time he had a bit of a lie-in.

Jimsjams, know how you feel ,my lad is nearly 12 and the only full nights sleep i get ,is when he goes to his dad(my ex husbands)
My son has DS and rarely sleep through ,no reason why , just doesnt go right through . Tried all kinds of things to make him sleep, nothing works. He sleep better when we go on hoilday , but unfortunatly we cant move to the coast. Have the greatest sympahy for every mum that has a child with a poor sleep pattern..

Wouldn't the melatonin help?

I know you have tried everything and as usual I am stating the obvious

can't get melatonin into ds1. TBH never seemd to work anyway- although that might be because I could never get a full dose in.

We have had a lovely afternoon- I took him out in the rain and we went to look at some posh marina side flats (which he loves- although had to stop him using the show loos), then we found a dolls house shop- he loves dolls houses. Very calm and we pottered around together with very little difficult behaviour from him.

It's particularly bad here atm too. DS2 was asleep for 8pm and up at 4am, DD didn't sleep until 11pm and then was up at 4.30am. She has forgotton how to sleep now with all the disruption. Arrgghh. When one wakes it disturbs the other, thank goodness ds1 is sleeping through the noise. I need a sleep guru to move in for a couple of weeks (while I move out).

Not sure if this is relevant but when ds2 has a proper nights sleep - which is very rare - usually 2 consecutive days per month - his behaviour is wonderful - no violence or aggression - also his speech, communication and also understanding are brilliant. I am convinced if he slept properly each night he would be a different child.

school usually notice when ds1 has been up all night I send him in wiith strict instructions not to let him sleep!

Could it be that he is anxious not to wet the bed and it is disturbing his sleep?

no- he started the 5am thing a bit before stopping wetting the bed. I think the weather may have woken him last night- he's t the back of the house and it takes the brunt of the wind.

I am sure JJ that if our children slept properly, we would have so much more strength to handle the hard times in the day. Life would be a lot easier.

Jimjams and others ... the Irish Guide Dogs who are based near me are delighted with their new assistance dogs. I have now seen one at work and others training, I know Jimjams mentioned them before. I hope they become more widely available for those who can work with them. I hope all of you on this part of the boards have a good New Year - and all you need in 2007. My SIL is in her 30s, and has cp plus many other difficulties, you all do a great job and deserve to be treated well by those who are supposed to help you, my new years wish is that they will!

How was last night jj

Thank you stleger- I was thinking about those dogs today and yesterday when ds1 was being particularly uncontrollable (in both cases couldn't get him back to the car- grrrr!)

Back to between 5 and 6am now Just wish he'd make 7!

Thank you stleger- I was thinking about those dogs today and yesterday when ds1 was being particularly uncontrollable (in both cases couldn't get him back to the car- grrrr!)

Back to between 5 and 6am now Just wish he'd make 7!

Between 5 and 6 is a step in the right direction though. 1am is terrible.

2.45am last night. And dh back at work today so I had to deal with it all. Grrrr. No idea where all this has come from. Earning my bloody DLA at the moment.

He used to go back to sleep after 2 hours, (usually on the dot), no idea why he suddenly feels the need to stay awake the rest of the night.

He won't stay, and he can get out of our barricades now (shrieking with laughter when he does). I did repeatedly return him last night (ds3 had woken up at about midnight so was in with me anyway and I dind't want him woken up). He kept on wanting to kneel by the bathroom door for some reason (next door have a new light which I think he is obsessed with- can kind of see it from the bathroom).

Gosh JJ sounds like a night in my house too atm. It's a nightmare. Dh wants to give dd melatonin too - she won't go down at night and the only way to keep her asleep is to have her in with us. Ds2 is running around like a whirlwind at 3.30 and will not go back to sleep. The only way to get ds2 to sleep is melatonin- it's costing a fortune. It only works at night though if i gave it to him when he woke in the early hours instead it wouldn;t work. Bloody torture. Hope things improve for you soon. Did you try the clock thingy?

goh and i thought i was sleep dprieved. dd2 usually wakes up and roams, but has been sleeping well lately. though she didnt go to sleep till midnight the other night and was up at 6am.

but have been up all night for the 2nd night with a vomiting dd3

Hope she is better soon misdee.