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MMR do's anyone know if it really causes autism?

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sweetbean · 28/11/2006 17:56

My daughter is 21 months old i took her to get hert first single vaccine of measles today as i don't personly trust that the mmr is safe.

However the consultant (who i was quite willing to pay £85 to.) tried to tell me that the MMR is safe that that there is just as much of a link to autism with the single vaccines as the MMR.

My partner who had previously thought that it was a good idea to give single vaccines now is acusing me of scaremongering and its realy Pi*@ed of with me,and feels that we should now give her the MMR.

It turned out by the way that she was unable to have the measles vaccination today beacuse she has a very slight temperture

Please can some help me decided what to do as i ma so confused and now have no idea what to do for the best !!!!!!!!

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wannaBe1974 · 28/11/2006 18:56

there are many many threads on this topic on various parts of mn. if you do a search on mmr you will find that they are often very heated, with very strong views on both sides. Someone like jimjams would be best to point you in the direction of artacles that link mmr to autism, from what I've read on here though, the general view is:

mmr is predominantly safe. However, there are certain conditions that can be seen to trigger a bad reaction to mmr and thus could result in autism. If you have a history of cromes for instance in your family, or other bowel disorders, orif your ds has any other imunity disorders, then there is a higher risk of an adverse reaction to mmr. I believe, from what I've read, and have been told by someone who was involved in research for the World Health organization, that the main component for concern was the measles component, but that the reason it was the mmr that caused so much concern was because it has such a huge impact on the imune system which, if already compromised, would find it harder to cope with three vaxinations in one.

As I understand it, the general view is that 7% of all cases of autism have in some way been linked to mmr. This is a tiny percentage when you consider how many children are vaxinated each year.

Most of the parents on here who have autistic children are pro vaxination. There are some who are not, or whose own children have not been vaxinated because their children have conditions that are believed to be triggers for autism, but even those parents tend to be pro vaxination for children who are not perceived to be at risk.

Only you can make the ultimate decision, do some research, find out the actual facts and info re triggers, and make your decision based on that.

sorry for long post, and am sure that someone will be along to correct the bits I might have got wrong

foundintranslationnothere · 28/11/2006 19:04

Excellent post wannabe.

Both single measles and the virus itself could also thoretically trigger autism, but the risk is conisidered to be still less than with mmr because of the 'hit' involved in introducing 3 viruses as once with mmr.

I had some cause for concern with mmr, as there were slight risk factors in our case (manifest in me, not ds). Jimjams gave me some excellent advice (thank you jj). We had real trouble sourcing singles (live in Germany) and in the end we gave him mmr. That was 5 months ago now and he has been fine (he had no reaction at all, not even a temp), so we can, I think, conclude that he personally is not at risk. (We may or may not give the booster or give them as singles/later, though).

But this is just our experience. If we had not had such huge trouble getting hold of the singles I think we would have given them tbh.

foundintranslationnothere · 28/11/2006 19:04

(should change this 'not here' name really, shouldn't I, as I do appear to be, well, back...)

Socci · 28/11/2006 20:18

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sweetbean · 28/11/2006 20:35

Thank you for your advise
its just so nice to hear info from people how are genuinly not disust and just want to give there HONEST advise!

These are the times when i feel like parenting is the hardest thing you are faced with land mines at every turn and you just have to work out which one is less likely to blow all your leg off (sorry if that makes no sense!)

I wish i coulds rely on the infomation that we are given by gp's health vistors and the goverment but half the time im not even sure thay know he raly truth!!!

anyway thatnks for all your help i hope that more people post with info !!!!! xx

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sweetbean · 28/11/2006 20:39

sorry for the terrible spelling !!

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onlyjoking9329 · 28/11/2006 23:20

i do suspect my sons autism was triggered my the MMR, the pead that DX my twin girls used my DS as a measure of typicial behavior before he had his MMR, she was in tears when she saw him after his MMR, my hubby belives he himself has AS. i think my son was at risk of having autism and i think the MMR was the trigger.
if in any doubt then wait and research, i only wished i had done that.

Jimjams2 · 29/11/2006 11:43

Agree with all these posts- also scroll down in health- there was a very restrained and calm discussion last week about it- lots of info there.

I too think that there are many potential triggers and that some families have higher risks than others (a view that is widely accepted in the field btw). Ds1 is severely autistic, ds2 and ds3 are not, although I think ds3 in particular came very close to taking that pathway. At 17 months he didn't pass the CHAT test (a screening test for autism that can be carried out at 18 months), but we identified one more potantial trigger in his case (cows milk) removed that and it was like a huge and rapid leap back to the normal pathway. Within a week he did pass the CHAT test. He has the same gut issues as ds1, and I think he came very very close. I haven't vaccinated ds2 or ds3 with anything yet and I particularly pleased that we made that decision (although it wasn't always easy) as I think that ds3 in particular is very fragile biomedically for want of putting it another way.

Jimjams2 · 29/11/2006 11:44

OJ- that's so moving about the paed being in tears.

RnBee · 29/11/2006 11:56

Echoing what has been said I too believe that MMR children. This may be a very small percentage but it is obviously very real to those kids and their families.

My ds1 is autistic and he had the single jabs. My other son is not autistic and he had the single jabs too. There was no way I was giving ds2 the MMR. I have a strong family history of autism and my dh is possibly AS as well as his father and grandfather (all engineers btw!)

Its a hard decision. But I for one am not going to risk my childrens future for the sake of being stubborn about a jab.

RnBee · 29/11/2006 11:56

first sentance should say the MMR can trigger autism in children

Jimjams2 · 29/11/2006 11:58

Also I should say that I think the families that are at especially high risk from jabs and other biomedical things often don't have a family history of autism- their family history is more one of autoimmune conditions (very true in our case- no autism at all- lots of autoimmune conditions) or gut problems.

sweetbean · 29/11/2006 17:42

thanks again for the posts!

I myself have suffered from IBS nearly all my life, do you think that this would then put my daughter at more risk of damage for the MMR.

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vixenchick · 02/12/2006 23:30

Hello!
My gp (and family friend...) Told me that the MMR contained exactly the same ingredients as the individual injections. He said that it was money-making scare-mongering. Apparently the vaccine that causes the most concern is the DTP, which is being phased out. (This is the first injections!) My son was always 'odd' and I chose not to give him the MMR until he was 3.5years, as by then I was fairly sure of who he was!
At present, the majority of children are vaccinated and the incident rate very low. There is not much risk of catching measles or mumps or rubella. The downside to this is that when it does occur Dr's are not practised at recognising the symtoms!
My baby recntly had the new 'pneumenoccocial' (!) which is to protect against a strain of meningitus and ear infections. I did not realise her third of the DTP was being replaced with this and she has unfortunately been ill for 7 weeks since she had it with ear infection. Was hospitalised at one point. Not happy won't be having the second.

Vix

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