MS nursery can no longer deal with DS. Options?

[PunkyBubba]

DH attended a meeting today with the Early Years representative, and lead staff at DS's MS nursery. It turns out they have said they can no longer deal with DS1 due to health and safety concerns caused by his behaviour, so we need to find him another 'provision' from today. DS usually attends 3 days a week. The EY rep convinced them to keep him on 1 day a week, but that means we still lose 2 days childcare from next week.

Bit of background, DS has just turned 3, and has severe language delay (his only consistent words are 'no', 'more', 'cake', and he can count 1-10. He climbs constantly, is very strong, and only listens to instructions on his terms, so we understand the nurseries concerns as DS has been climbing on their computer, photocopier, and moves chairs around the room to access things he shouldn't which could end up causing injury to other children.

We are currently waiting for the next EY forum as we have applied previously for a placement at a local specialist nursery, and they are meant to be discussing this at the forum in a few weeks.

Does anyone know what other options we have if the forum reject our application? We need childcare for 3 days a week so I can work. Can you apply directly to special nurseries? DS really needs 1-1 care to progress and we just don't know where to go from here. :(

I also ahold have said we have no formal diagnosis yet for DS, though ASD has been mentioned as a possibility the Paediatrician who has seen him once said he is not convinced though DS obviously has 'complex issues'.

Hi punky, does your Ds have one to one support?

If not your Local Authority can provide funding for the nursery to enable them to offer it!

Tbh I think the nursery are being a bit crap. Surely they need to first get him support to stop him doing dangerous stuff before they can say they can't accomodate him or has this already been done.

To be fair cansu nurseries and community settings are finding it really difficult to get useful support for children with SN's.

Where I work we had to fight to get a SALT in to see a child who was non verbal with ASD!

The early years sen advisors have had their budgets cut and case loads have increased so they are not able to provide anything like enough support!

However I do agree that there are things they can do and getting some funding for 1 2 1 would be a good start.

Not sure they can do that. Have they applied for support funding?

Hi, thanks for the replies, yes they applied for 1-1 support funding, and were given 6 hrs a week, so 2 hrs a day effectively since September.

They have said he is a danger to himself and other children as they can't give him the constant supervision he needs. We were given a health and safety risk report today based around DS and I can see their point. He climbs onto anything he can to get to the window, cupboards he shouldn't have access to, climbs on the chicken coop and other unstable structures, and can open all the doors except the 'front door'.

The nursery owner was apparently in tears (DS has been there since he was 10 months old and I know the staff are very fond of him). The EY rep has apparently been in close contact with the nursery as they have insinuated this before and were told they need to consider the inclusion policy. EY rep didn't say anything today though, so DH and I are wondering if they are now doing this as a ploy to help force the special nursery placement. If it works then great, but if he doesn't get the placement we will be stuck.

Does anyone know of other options to get DS help if this placement is refused? SALT have been useless.. Today's meeting was meant to be with SALT but they were AWOL unsurprisingly.

Is it a private mainstream nursery?

A day nursery type set up?

Sometimes state run nurseries are more accommodating.

Would you consider child minder instead of nursery if you found the right person
Could get them in place for after school in future on days when you work but school ends at 3ish?

Is there an Inclusion Team involved with your ds? Is the EY Rep an SEN specialist?

I think you need to speak to someone on the Inclusion Team at the local authority and see what the options really are. They may be able to fund a childminder place for him in the short term until his needs are discussed at the next EY forum.

Cross posted with you
Sounds like they are a caring nursery

By asking you to remove him they are effectively excluding him! That sounds harsh but it is true.

They are excluding him because of his disability.

No one wants to do that and they need to be contacting the Local Authority themselves and telling the Early Years Team that this is about to happen.

Sorry this is happening to your and your Ds

Good point about the exclusion Ineedmorepatience.

The LA will have an inclusion team. Speak to them tomorrow.

I don't know anything about the inclusion team to be honest, but that gives me something to ask the EY rep about when we phone tomorrow, so thanks!

I did think this evening maybe a childminder could be an option. I'm just not sure if one would be willing to take DS on. He is very full on. Something else for me to research though, so thank you too :)

Yes, I can't fault the nursery. They have been as frustrated as we are with the lack of support from SALT, etc and they really have been great with DS, and very supportive to us. It's really upsetting as he loves it there :(

Cross posts :)

The EY rep was there at the meeting so knows, and they are sending a report about DS stating they have asked us to find alternative care for him to the forum.

Yes, my DH did say "well our son has been excluded from his first school" as a kind of joke when he got home after the meeting, but I can see he is devastated. I'm just pinning all my hopes on the placement, but know we could well be disappointed there.

Even a nanny type arrangement if you could find someone with right experience
Local university graduates looking for extra money

We found someone who was great through gum tree - had family who has SEN it turned out ( we didnt know this initially)

It doesn't matter so much about qualifications it's finding the right personality that is what helps most