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streakybacon · 20/09/2014 12:33

Interesting article in today's Times magazine on apparent recovery from autism.

I can't link to it here because of the Times paywall, but I'll be scanning it so if anyone wants a look just PM me with an email address and I'll send it on.

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zzzzz · 20/09/2014 17:27

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blanklook · 20/09/2014 18:31

Is it this one? NY Times, no paywall, dated July 2014.
"The Kids Who Beat Autism" by Ruth Padaver

www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/magazine/the-kids-who-beat-autism.html?_r=0

On first very quick skim, I think the kids have just matured and they have better coping strategies. I'll read it properly later

This leaped off the page at me,

"an animated 16-year-old, is another of the children in Fein’s study who no longer has autism. He spends his spare time playing video games, building robots, writing computer code and hanging out with friends at the local park near his home in a Phoenix suburb. He co-hosts a weekly Internet radio show called “Tech Team,” which has 32,000 listeners. On the program, he and a buddy review apps, discuss tech news, tell (very) corny jokes and produce regular features like “Gadget on a Budget.”

Isn't this a very stereotypical Aspie teen boy profile? Shock If you read that bio to anyone who knew anything about SN, isn't Aspie the first thing they'd associate with it?

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Jasonandyawegunorts · 20/09/2014 18:33

I do wonder what they think "autism" is, maybe they think it just relates to tantrums and meltdowns?

PolterGoose · 20/09/2014 18:40

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ouryve · 20/09/2014 18:40

I'm up for a Hmm!

ouryve · 20/09/2014 18:43

And I'm always dubious about what constitutes "recovery".

Jasonandyawegunorts · 20/09/2014 18:45

As I've got older I've learnt to stay away from things i can't tolerate and tolerate things i can't stay away from. Most people i meet day to day wouldn't know I have autism at all, I think supporting and teaching skills is important, But i don't think "recovering" and "no longer have it" are at all correct.

StarlightMcKenzie · 20/09/2014 19:42

No Polter I'm equating it with less funding for social care provision and more for education, therefore and absolute determination towards independence for their residents and value for money.

StarlightMcKenzie · 20/09/2014 19:43

I think rural china has a low incidence of autism because they beat it out of the kids before they become adults, and then hide the ones it doesn't work with. But I don't know all that much about it.

StarlightMcKenzie · 20/09/2014 19:45

Sorry, I wasn't advocating the rural china approach, nor the attempt to 'get rid' in case anyone wasn't clear.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 20/09/2014 20:12

Having said that though many of them do use strategies under the ABA umbrella because analysing how each individual learns best in order to increase the rate of learning is an efficient use of resources.

But even in the US states that use the TEACHH approach, it is invested in and outcomes for those kids there are often so much better than here.

StarlightMcKenzie · 20/09/2014 20:14

That was a bit unforgettable zzzzz wasn't it.

I hope it isn't true, though reported incidences of ASD do seem to be low there.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 20/09/2014 20:20

Possibly it was 'recovery' in the same way as some in the article. There was such a strict and rigid 'routine' with very clear rules that perhaps it is a lot easier to learn to behave as expected than in more 'liberal' countries where expectations can change with the wind and you have to try and keep up.

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streakybacon · 21/09/2014 09:35

I'm back Grin.

Definitely Scooby-Doo setting - this is where we stayed: Lumley Castle. Absolutely wonderful Grin.

Just catching up and having a cuppa then will be back.

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Jasonandyawegunorts · 21/09/2014 09:45

Jinkies!
Glad you enjoyed it, who lives there, I mean actually lives there not for one night?

streakybacon · 21/09/2014 11:23

Yes, it's the same article blanklook, or an adaptation of it (haven't read your link but it looks the same).

I'm also in the camp of thinking these teens have learned coping skills or had appropriate intervention to help them develop. I don't think they've 'lost' their autism and yes, that description is SO true of most aspie teens.

Ds is like you Jason, would easily pass for NT and most people would never know, but then they don't see the difficulties he has with everyday stuff that they'd take for granted, and assume he can do without a problem. They are the core characteristics that, I think, indicate that autism is still there and probably never will go away altogether.

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ouryve · 22/09/2014 12:27

Lumley Castle, is beautiful, Streaky :)

Finally read the article last night (got 2 minutes P&Q when I locked myself in the bathroom for a bit!) The concept of "recovery" does seem to be about as recovered as my nephew. He passes for NT, but still has a lot of sensory difficulties and sleep problems and takes things literally eg a joke my sis made about my 12 yo niece having been a teenager for years, already. His outward presentation to the world might be that of fairly typical teen, but the world's presentation to him is still a confusing one which he has to work harder than most to interpret.

ouryve · 22/09/2014 12:29

It's used as a hotel, btw, Jason - quite popular as a wedding venue.

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