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WireCat · 19/06/2014 19:27

My son got my choice of SN school for him. They gave it to him on the basis that I signed saying I'd be responsible for his school transport. There is an SN school a bit closer to me, but crossing a major A road and would be a nightmare in the morning. Not to mention that it wasn't right for him. Now, I needed his school place & statement sorted so, stupidly, I agreed to this. His statement has come today stating that we accept & continue to accept liability for arranging funding home to school transport. Of for any reaso they are no longer willing or able to do so, my child would have to transfer to the school they want.
I do feel, in hindsite, this is unfair as they had me over a barrel really by saying he'd have to have the school I wasn't happy with. Other school is 4 miles away, this one I want is 5.2. And easier to get to!

Thanks for reading.
Son is 5 btw and will be going I to year 1 at the SN school in September.

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babiki · 19/06/2014 19:36

Hmm this is quite awful that they made it a condition you'll sort transport... No idea how is it legally. If you want I can give you contact for good and not expensive advocate, she just helped me to avoid Tribunal and get SS for my ds.

IPSEA has some info on transport I think as well.

Can I ask you, where was your ds until now, when he is 5? Preschool? Mine is starting next year in year 1 too.

WireCat · 19/06/2014 20:31

He started off in mainstream school.

If you could inbox me the advocate, that would be lovely.

Thank you babiki x

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StarlightMcKenzie · 19/06/2014 22:09

What seems to have happened here is this:

You are legally entitled to transport to your nearest suitable school.

If you want a similar cost but further away school and it is named on the statement you are still entitled to transport (because you are entitled to transport to the school named in the statement). However, if you insist on this in law, they will simply move your child to the nearest school and then provide transport to it.

The only way around this is to prove that the nearer school is not suitable at all, leaving the further away school as the nearest suitable school and therefore making it impossible for the LA to move your child to the closer one.

AlarmOnSnooze · 19/06/2014 22:31

I agreed a similar deal initially to get the school,place we wanted for dd1.

As soon as the LA had settled, my lawyers advised me that this is not enforceable in the slightest. And advised me to apply for transport. I didn't, because I do not want transport for dd1.

Fast forward a couple of years, and I am reminded regularly by my LA case officer that I am entitled to transport.

Legally, you are entitled to transport if you love a certain distance from the nearest suitable school. By dint of naming the school on your statement, the LA has agreed it is the nearest suitable school.

helpme290 · 19/06/2014 22:42

Contact ipsea ASAP.

WireCat · 19/06/2014 22:48

Thank you all x

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Icimoi · 20/06/2014 08:57

It depends how it's named in the statement. If the school is named without any condition, then the LA must provide transport. However, if part 4 says the school is named on the basis that you will provide transport, then you can't claim transport at the moment. You would have to appeal against the statement on the basis that by imposing that condition they are saying it is the nearest suitable school, but that is incorrect because the nearer school isn't suitable.

If you don't think that's the case - i.e. the nearer school would be suitable but for the more awkward journey - I suspect you need to make an application for transport explaining that the journey to the nearer school is more difficult and dangerous, and go to appeal using the council's internal appeal system if that is refused.

AgnesDiPesto · 20/06/2014 09:29

There is a legal case on this Dudley MBC v JH.
If only the furthest school is suitable it must be named and transport paid. If both the nearer and further schools are named it must consider transport costs to both and can still name the furthest school if the extra transport costs is not an unreasonable use of resources & give effect to parental preference. This is because if transport to school A is £2000 and school B is £2050 it's not really fair to parents to say you can only have your choice if you pay all transport when the extra cost to LA is so small. If the extra costs are deemed unreasonable use of resources the LA should either only name the nearest school or name both schools but allow attendance at furthest school if parent pays transport and that should be set out in statement.

You can appeal this to sen tribunal because while they can't usually look at non ed provision the LA has put transport costs in issue re choice of placement.

As you would be entitled to both I would tell LA you are not happy with the compromise and intend to appeal as per Dudley MBC point. Ask the La to set out the costs of both placements and transport to each. Ask them to do this within 14 days so you have time to prepare the appeal.

I honestly do not know if you can offer to pay the difference between transport to school A or school B to get your preference.

See this from barristers 11 kings bench walk blog:

The Upper Tribunal (Administrative Appeals Chamber) in Dudley MBC v JS [2011] UKUT 67 (AAC) has given a significant judgment in relation to the approach that tribunals and local authorities should take to the long-vexed question of transport costs in the context of SEN appeals relating to Part 4 of a child’s Statement of SEN.

Since the decision of the High Court in R v LB Havering ex p K [1998] ELR 402 and R (M) v Sutton LBC [2007] EWCA Civ 1205 it has become increasingly common for local authorities to compromise with parents over the choice of school for their child by providing in Part 4 that School A is the nearest suitable school for the child, but that the child will attend (the more distant) School B on the condition that the parent pays the transport costs.

This is what had happened in the Dudley case, but the parents had been dissatisfied with the compromise and so appealed to the First-Tier Tribunal (“the FTT”) requesting that only School B be named in Part 4. The FTT upheld the parents’ appeal, holding that although both schools were suitable, the greater expense of providing transport to School B was minimal, and outweighed by the benefits to the child of attending School B. Accordingly, the FTT determined that it was not an inefficient use of resources for School B to be named, even though (it was assumed) if only School B was named in the statement, the authority would have to provide transport to the school in accordance with its duty under s 508B of the Education Act 1996 (“EA 1996”).

The (three-judge) UT upheld the FTT’s decision.

They first noted that although the FTT has no jurisdiction over transport per se (it being non-educational provision), if transport and transport costs are put in issue by the authority in the SEN appeal, the FTT must consider them.

They then considered the scope of the local authority’s duty to provide transport. They concluded that even if School A and School B are suitable, if only School B is named in the Statement, the authority will be under a duty to provide transport under s 508B of the EA 1996 because that duty applies unless the authority has made arrangements for the child to be registered at a suitable school nearer to home. The authority cannot rely on the ‘nearer suitable school’ exception where only School B is named in Part 4 because the authority is required by s 324(5)(a)(i) of the EA 1996 to arrange for the child’s attendance at the school named; it would be incompatible with that duty for the authority to make arrangements for the child to attend a school not named in the Statement.

The UT then set out the approach that the FTT should take to such cases as follows:

(1) The first stage is for the FTT to determine the relative transport costs of the two schools, assuming the authority will have to provide transport to both.

(2) If the FTT determines that the costs of transport to School B is not incompatible with the efficient use of resources, the FTT must name School B in Part 4 (and only School B, even if School A is also suitable).

(3) If the FTT determines that the cost of transport to School B is incompatible with the efficient use of resources then it is not required to specify School B in the Statement and should normally specify School A (although the UT took the, perhaps surprising, view that the FTT still has a residual discretion to name School B in those circumstances in order to give effect to parental preference).

(4) Alternatively, the FTT may name School B as well as School A in the Statement, on the condition that the parents pay the cost of transport to School B.

This is very helpful guidance from the UT, providing clarity on an area on which there has been much doubt and, as a result, a lack of consistency of approach by authorities and FTTs.

WireCat · 20/06/2014 18:29

Thank you xxx

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ouryve · 20/06/2014 18:58
Shropshirelass1 · 26/06/2014 19:36

Yup,awesome post agnesdipesto....wish I'd been on mums net when I was appealing transport and statement to SENDIST last year. Only thing I can add is don't be put off just keep going,it seems a bit like a hurdle course....if you can keep going and keep jumping you do seem to get to the finish despite the hurdles. If the other school wasn't suitable then they should transport to this one....I went to SENdist tribunal last year on this issue, LA even tried to get it struck out, tribunal were great and he now has transport every day despite there being several schools nearer and it not being catchment school.....very hard but try not to be intimidated,if it feels right to you then keep going, our tribunal were lovely and really supportive.

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