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What to do with high-functioning 11 yo DS with Aspergers & no friends

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MelonCollieFlour · 16/05/2014 23:41

DS is 11, in Y7. He has a formal diagnosis of an Autistic Spectrum Disorder, which you might call Aspergers.

He goes to a prep school, which is quite small with only about 20 in his year. He is very good at maths, and likes to read and find out facts about many different subjects. He also has a good musical ear and plays guitar, though his singing voice has probably gone off since his voice started breaking.

In Y9 he has a place to start at Hampton School. We visited quite a number of private schools before deciding on this one, which we did based on the fact that it was one of the more academic ones, and seemed to be particularly good with maths. They also have a proper climbing wall, which is nice for DS, who is hopeless at board games but good at climbing (which can be unfortunate as he tends to show-off)

On the negative side we were a bit concerned as it is a large school and it felt compared to some other schools we visited much more sort of hustle & bustle and less calm/relaxed. He has poor organisation skills. Hence we were happy to keep him at his current, much smaller, school until the end of Y8, rather than throw him at the start of Y7 (though he as matured a lot, albeit perhaps only physically, since we made that decision).

The learning support department we spoke to and were one of the more supportive we saw, saying that they do specific social skills courses with other ASD boys, and also they have study skills courses. They also seemed to be a bit more forward-thinking than most more generally, and mentioned things like using iPads for work delivery (which would be great for DS rather than messing around with lots of exercise books), though I'm not quite clear how much this is actually in place.

Anyway, we don't have any particular concerns yet about the new school, though obviously we have no idea really because he hasn't started there yet! We are a bit fucked off paying through the nose to live in/around London though, so we went to look at a school out of London, in Ashford, Kent. We are happy to be paying for DS to go to private school, just because we are aware that he is vulnerable and it hopefully will shelter him as much as possible, we are more fed up with the cost of living locally.

Ashford seemed a relaxed (coed) school, 'nice'; they have quite a contingent of Chinese students, which I thought might boost their maths credentials also. But the learning support department didn't really seem interested in doing anything specific for ASD. (DS isn't getting anything at the moment either.) I suppose they probably spend their time teaching the foreign students English.

So anyway I have gone on quite a bit without really touching on the title of my thread. I guess DS is aware that he doesn't have friends. He has a birthday coming up and we don't really have anyone to invite to a party. His younger sister has no ASD, and he gets a bit frustrated when she has a much better social life than he does. But that's who he is - it's not that he is to blame, but that his social skills are poor, so that can put people off. Some of it I suppose is very much unconscious - things like body language that will give people a worse impression of him. Others are more overt, more controllable perhaps, things like him butting into other people's conversations to tell them that such and such is rubbish, or showing off about himself.

He has a couple of boys who he gets on with, on and off, one came round and spent all his time playing games on his ipod, another he seems to fall out with quite a lot. He recently was complaining to me about this other boy, and his sister (who is 6) said 'I thought you wanted him to come to our house' and he said 'That was only because I wanted to work on our project together', and she observed (quite rightly, but just showing the sort of gulf between them, even with him twice her age) that that wasn't a very nice thing to say about your friend.

When we are aware of interactions that he has with others that are awkward/rude, we try to tell him, and explain to him that other people don't want to hear that what they are talking about is rubbish, but he doesn't really like to hear this, and tends to just say 'Yes yes yes yes' until we shut up and doesn't change. He does seem to get in

Obviously he is doing well at school, but I'm not sure if that is the point. He doesn't really have any friends, and I don't know if we can change him so he grows to be more 'normal' as an adult, if he is best left with his Maths textbooks and computers, or what?

Any thoughts on any of this? Immediate interventions? Future schooling directions?

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AngelBaker · 17/05/2014 03:06

Can't give much advise on the school aspect but my brother suffers with Aspergers and had an awful time at school until he discovered war hammer, a games where you make little figures. Not suggesting that would work for your son but maybe a hobby that isn't academic might allow him to make new friends? Is there a computer club at school or something similar?
Just a thought, I'm no expert!

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Sunnymeg · 17/05/2014 08:38

I have DS 12 with Aspergers at state secondary. It seems to me that what DS needs/wants from a friendship is different to other children's expectations are. He finds it difficult when a friend reacts in a way that is unexpected. The majority of his friends are easy going lads who are happy for DS to take the lead in whatever activity is going on. He frequently falls out with children who have their own opinions. Most I would term as acquaintances rather than friends, but he is happy spending time on his own, as well as in company.

Penneyanne · 19/05/2014 11:43

Melon I am completely with you on this one...I have ds 14 who is plodding along at school fairly ok but does suffer from terrible anxiety. We have recently sought advice from a psychologist who specialises in Aspergers and Asd and the advice we have got is to get him out there socialising and involved as much as we can.But this is contrary to what we have been advised all along as in 'oh its ok to leave him be at home on his pc games','he is not NT so does not have NT needs like the rest of us',its ok for him to have no friends if he is happier with that'.
I am very confused now...this new advice implies that autistic traits will only become stronger/more evident as he matures.I don't know what to think.We have tried everything in the past as in activities,hobbies etc and nothing worked.
I honestly don't know what is the best way to go...my own gut is to allow him to carry on with what makes him happy up to a point but equally making sure he develops enough social skills for him to function in society as in deal with shops/bank,libraries,people in general etc.
I might start a separate thread actually asking this question as there must be many on here who have much older Asd kids who have been through this.

MelonCollieFlour · 19/05/2014 12:02

Thanks for the replies.

I find it a bit confusing, as I also have Aspergers (probably anyway), and I guess it's not something I am entirely happy with embracing IYSWIM, and I guess as I have got older I have become more self-aware about it.

Certainly my personal experience that sitting at home playing on the computer isn't a good thing for me, and I would rather have friends (which I don't).

But I'm sure it is very individual. I don't personally get on with people who fit the sort of trainspotter stereotype too much. Basic personal hygiene and some communication skills are quite important to me. But I shouldn't project too much I suppose.

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Kleinzeit · 20/05/2014 00:24

If your DS wants to have friends and some social life, then that is different from if he doesn’t. Some kids with ASCs aren’t that bothered but it sounds as if your DS would like friends but doesn’t know how to go about it. And he doesn’t understand when you try to explain even really basic things. My DS is also good at maths, and for me trying to explain social skills to him is like trying to explain addition to a child who doesn’t “get” the idea of quantity – imaging a child who can count but still doesn’t instinctively understand that ten sweets is more than two sweets. That’s what it’s like trying to explain to my DS that some things are unkind!

One book I like is The Unwritten Rules of Friendship which includes some exercises and games to get some things across, such as how to know what is “boasting” and what isn’t. And given how anxious this makes your DS, and how hard he finds even the simplest things, he might benefit from some professional help with his social skills. Whether that comes from the school, or whether you can find him a social-skills group with a private therapist, or even an NHS therapist (they’re rare but my area has very good ones!) A group is good because the kids get to try situations out “for real” with each other, and also the kids can discuss things with each other.

And although kids with ASCs are often more comfortable in smaller schools, I would go for a bigger school with good support for ASCs over a small school that lets them sink or swim. Especially as the transition to secondary school and into adolescence can be very tough socially. My DS is 15 and although he had a good social life at primary school it took him a long time to start making new friends at secondary, even with some help from the school.

MelonCollieFlour · 20/05/2014 11:22

He is quite sociable, Kleinzeit. When we are out in the playground or whatever he will try and join in with other children he doesn't know. Often they are younger, which can make life easier for him.

That usually works fine, but it's really building a longer-term meaningful friendship that he is unskilled at.

I think you are right, we do feel the bigger school is much better for him, it's more that we are wanting a change of scene from living around London.

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